Thanks......It do seem like I am dead in the water going back further. People have Jeremiah's paremts on tree's and when I ask the answer I get can never be supported by documentaion and is all conjecture.. No, it won't. English and Welsh death certificates don't name the father if the deceased is an adult. The father is only named when the deceased is a very young child.

In message <7722f.175d4666.3f285c61@aol.com>, Rdpiet@aol.com writes >Thanks......It do seem like I am dead in the water going >back further. People have Jeremiah's paremts on tree's and when >I ask the answer I get can never be supported by documentaion >and is all conjecture.. As already said, FreeREG contains most of the Butcombe registers. Details of the coverage can be found here http://www.freereg.org.uk/parishes/som/b.shtml#1 The Hartcliffe and Bedminster Yahoo group has spreadsheet versions of the same transcriptions. It is free to join. You have to set up a Yahoo address but then you can have the messages sent to your usual address and ignore the Yahoo one. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hartcliffandbedminster/ The Jeremiah buried in Jan 1871 had recorded age 86 and so was born about 1784. There doesn't appear to be a matching baptism at Butcombe. There was a Jeremiah baptised at Rowberrow in 1780, about 5 miles away. -- David Hartley

Rdpiet@aol.com wrote: > Thanks......It do seem like I am dead in the water going back > further. > People have Jeremiah's paremts on tree's and when I ask the > answer I get can never be supported by documentaion and is all > conjecture.. You can get back further. I have lines going back to 1590. Other people have gone back even further. It does get more difficult the further back you go because the information available doesn't have the same level of detail as more recent records. Use the trees on Ancestry as a guide and a starting point for your own research. A great many of the trees have been copied one from another. Any errors in one will get reproduced so that eventually a fiction becomes a fact. It's a common belief families in times past stayed in the towns and villages they were born in. Some did, and it's great when that happened, but many moved around. Sometimes it was only to the next village, sometimes much further afield. Traditionally a man married in his bride's parish if different from his own but not always. A new wife would usually go home to her mother for the laying-in and birth of her first child. Jeremiah was a farm worker (ag lab) so he /may/ have needed parish relief at some stage. Those records are available, but not online. What sites, apart from Ancestry, do you use? There are lots out there, some PAYG, some subscription others free. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Bob, The Archer Software site shows that there are basically no online IGI records for Butcombe on Family Search. If you Google "Butcombe Parish Records" you'll see the local history society has some parish records available to members only. But will they have your family? 1851 census shows a Jeremiah, Matthew and Hercules Clark of similar ages all born Butcombe. But are they brothers or maybe cousins. You might check for them in any trees. But as you say, nobody can produce records or proofs. You might have to decide if you want to spend the money to join the local society without any guarantee they have what you want. Maybe you could try emailing them.. Peter