Subject: Descendants and ancestors of John Hansford and Martha Thick Other names: Barry, Thick, Hallett, Standerly, Bath, Arnold, Jones, Hill, Clay. John and Martha Hansford had 5 children all baptised at St Andrews Stoke Trister near Wincanton Somerset. Martha Thick was baptised 02 Mar 1755 in Stoke Trister and buried there 15 Mar 1841 age 85 having married John Hansford 15 Sep 1777. John may have been the baptised 20 Sep 1747 in nearby Charlton Musgrove, the son of William and Margaret Hansford who had one other child, William baptised 06 Mar 1744/45 in Wincanton. The children of John and Martha Hansford as baptised in St Trister were: Ann 20 Oct 1777 Thomas 15 Sep 1783 Sarah 13 Apr 1787 George 14 Jul 1793 Charles 19 Jun 1796 Thomas married Ann Arnold 19 Jul 1809 in Walcot St Mary. Ann died in 1822, shortly after the birth of their 7th child, only one of which (Ann see below) survived into adulthood. Thomas married again to a Widow, Mary Wilton née Jones. The affidavit to their marriage licence is informative; it includes the baptisms of both partners. Thomas died age 67 on 21 Mar 1850 at Barracks Farm (Lyncombe Widcombe) “esteemed and respected by all who knew him" as reported by both Bath Chronicle & Cheltenham Gazette. What a pity he did not survive until the 1851 census. In his will (more below) he left £10 to a “nephew” James Barry and each of 6 of James’ children then alive. Moreover, James gave the middle name Hansford to two of his sons and in June 1841 his daughter Sarah age 3 was visiting Thomas and Mary Hansford at Barracks Farm. Even, if not literally a nephew, James must have been closely connected to Thomas. George married a Mary Hallett in 29 Jul 1826 at Walcot St Swithin, also by licence but with a much less detailed affidavit, declaring her a spinster. Emma was baptised 14 Dec 1826 born at Cooper's Arms Claverton Street Widcombe. There seems to have been no further child; George died either in 1845q2 or 1948q4. I know nothing definite about Ann and Sarah Hansford and nothing at all about Charles. In 1841 George 40 Inn keeper was living with Mary at 37 Claverton Street Widcombe. In 1851 Mary, widow of George was still at 37 Claverton Street, Lyncombe Widcombe, Hansford Mary, wid, 60 Lic. Victualler Warwickshire Wishir (Wishaw, a small village) with BATH Sarah Sister, 64 Assistant, u (unmarried), Warwickshire, Wishir. It is possible that Sarah Bath was neither unmarried nor sister of Mary but her sister in law, i.e. sister of George Hansford. Her birthplace may be OK but may have been wrongly added by the enumerator to match her supposed sister. Her age 64 (bc. 1786-7) matches that of Sarah Hansford very well. Intriguingly, also in the 1851 census at Odcombe, near Yeovil, are listed. BARRY Ann, wid, 79, laundress, Warwickshire Wishea (must be Wishaw) BARRY William, son, 39 Odcombe, Som. Ann (condition not stated) was married on 1 Feb 1802 at Brympton to William Barry by banns, recorded as Ann Standerly in the Odcombe banns but wrongly transcribed as Ann Handerly in the Brympton register. In the 1841 census her age was listed as 60, i.e. 60-64, so she might have been the Ann Hansford baptised in 1877. If so she must have married a Standerly. The parish records of Wishaw are very hard to read but names similar to Standerly do occur. The Bath & N E Somerset Record Office holds some property deeds that concern Thomas Hansford between 1815 and 1822. When his third and fourth children were baptised in 1815 and 1816 his occupation was listed as postboy but in 1819 he was victualler and in 1822 publican. He may have passed this occupation to George by the time he became a land owner at Barracks Farm. I have no information on the whereabouts of James Barry before 1830 when he married Martha Beaven in Marlborough Wilts and became a watch and clock maker. Thomas appointed his daughter Ann as executrix of his will and gave Ann and Gracious Cole (a farmer in Wellow) trustee status with substantial powers. He provided a trust from which £50 per year would be paid to his widow Mary. His daughter by his first marriage Ann Hansford married Joseph Hill in Bath, 1850(q4); they had at least two sons each given the middle name Hansford. In addition to his gifts to James Barry and his family. Thomas also left £10 to Louisa Clay daughter of the late Robert Hansford. In the 1841 census Robert was listed at 4 Cottage Place Walcot as 55 publican with Mary also 55 both born Somerset. Louisa Hansford married William Clay 11 Aug 1831 at Bath St James. Robert Hansford was a witness. He may have been born in Walditch near Bridport, Dorset. In order to resolve all the gaps in the evidence I would particularly like to know what James Barry as well as Thomas Hansford and his siblings and their spouses were doing between 1800 and 1830. It would be much better to have facts rather than my hypotheses. Tom Barry

Hi, I just read your email for perhaps the third time and am still confused by the families and names and dates and connection but you probably already have the Taunton newspaper of Wed 15th Aug 1838 which reports on a suicide , and John Hansford , watchmaker is a witness .........so at least one small detail is clear that he was in the Swan Inn at Ilminster on Thursday afternoon around 4.30 and bought back a watch he had previously sold to the deceased . I am sure that isn`t what you needed to know !!!! life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "T and J Barry via" <eng-somerset@rootsweb.com> To: <eng-somerset@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 4:15 PM Subject: [SPAM] [ENG-SOM] Descendants and ancestors of John Hansford and MarthaThick > Subject: Descendants and ancestors of John Hansford and Martha Thick > > > > Other names: Barry, Thick, Hallett, Standerly, Bath, Arnold, > Jones, Hill, Clay. > > > > John and Martha Hansford had 5 children all baptised at St Andrews Stoke > Trister near Wincanton Somerset. > > > > Martha Thick was baptised 02 Mar 1755 in Stoke Trister and buried there > 15 Mar 1841 age 85 having married John Hansford 15 Sep 1777. John may > have > been the baptised 20 Sep 1747 in nearby Charlton Musgrove, the son of > William and Margaret Hansford who had one other child, William baptised 06 > Mar 1744/45 in Wincanton. > > > > The children of John and Martha Hansford as baptised in St Trister were: > > Ann 20 Oct 1777 > > Thomas 15 Sep 1783 > > Sarah 13 Apr 1787 > > George 14 Jul 1793 > > Charles 19 Jun 1796 > > > > Thomas married Ann Arnold 19 Jul 1809 in Walcot St Mary. Ann died in > 1822, > shortly after the birth of their 7th child, only one of which (Ann see > below) survived into adulthood. Thomas married again to a Widow, Mary > Wilton née Jones. The affidavit to their marriage licence is informative; > it includes the baptisms of both partners. Thomas died age 67 on 21 Mar > 1850 at Barracks Farm (Lyncombe Widcombe) “esteemed and respected by all > who knew him" as reported by both Bath Chronicle & Cheltenham Gazette. > What > a pity he did not survive until the 1851 census. In his will (more below) > he left £10 to a “nephew” James Barry and each of 6 of James’ children > then > alive. Moreover, James gave the middle name Hansford to two of his sons > and in June 1841 his daughter Sarah age 3 was visiting Thomas and Mary > Hansford at Barracks Farm. Even, if not literally a nephew, James must > have > been closely connected to Thomas. > > > > George married a Mary Hallett in 29 Jul 1826 at Walcot St Swithin, also by > licence but with a much less detailed affidavit, declaring her a spinster. > Emma was baptised 14 Dec 1826 born at Cooper's Arms Claverton Street > Widcombe. There seems to have been no further child; George died either in > 1845q2 or 1948q4. > > > > I know nothing definite about Ann and Sarah Hansford and nothing at all > about Charles. > > In 1841 George 40 Inn keeper was living with Mary at 37 Claverton Street > Widcombe. > > In 1851 Mary, widow of George was still at 37 Claverton Street, Lyncombe > Widcombe, > > Hansford Mary, wid, 60 Lic. Victualler Warwickshire Wishir (Wishaw, a > small > village) with > > BATH Sarah Sister, 64 Assistant, u (unmarried), Warwickshire, Wishir. > > It is possible that Sarah Bath was neither unmarried nor sister of Mary > but > her sister in law, i.e. sister of George Hansford. Her birthplace may be > OK > but may have been wrongly added by the enumerator to match her supposed > sister. Her age 64 (bc. 1786-7) matches that of Sarah Hansford very well. > > > > Intriguingly, also in the 1851 census at Odcombe, near Yeovil, are listed. > > BARRY Ann, wid, 79, laundress, Warwickshire Wishea (must be Wishaw) > > BARRY William, son, 39 Odcombe, Som. > > Ann (condition not stated) was married on 1 Feb 1802 at Brympton to > William > Barry by banns, recorded as Ann Standerly in the Odcombe banns but wrongly > transcribed as Ann Handerly in the Brympton register. In the 1841 census > her age was listed as 60, i.e. 60-64, so she might have been the Ann > Hansford baptised in 1877. If so she must have married a Standerly. The > parish records of Wishaw are very hard to read but names similar to > Standerly do occur. > > > > The Bath & N E Somerset Record Office holds some property deeds that > concern Thomas Hansford between 1815 and 1822. When his third and fourth > children were baptised in 1815 and 1816 his occupation was listed as > postboy but in 1819 he was victualler and in 1822 publican. He may have > passed this occupation to George by the time he became a land owner at > Barracks Farm. I have no information on the whereabouts of James Barry > before 1830 when he married Martha Beaven in Marlborough Wilts and became > a > watch and clock maker. > > > > Thomas appointed his daughter Ann as executrix of his will and gave Ann > and > Gracious Cole (a farmer in Wellow) trustee status with substantial powers. > He provided a trust from which £50 per year would be paid to his widow > Mary. His daughter by his first marriage Ann Hansford married Joseph Hill > in Bath, 1850(q4); they had at least two sons each given the middle name > Hansford. In addition to his gifts to James Barry and his family. Thomas > also left £10 to Louisa Clay daughter of the late Robert Hansford. In the > 1841 census Robert was listed at 4 Cottage Place Walcot as 55 publican > with > Mary also 55 both born Somerset. Louisa Hansford married William Clay 11 > Aug 1831 at Bath St James. Robert Hansford was a witness. He may have been > born in Walditch near Bridport, Dorset. > > > > In order to resolve all the gaps in the evidence I would particularly like > to know what James Barry as well as Thomas Hansford and his siblings and > their spouses were doing between 1800 and 1830. It would be much better to > have facts rather than my hypotheses. > > > > > > Tom Barry > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message