Hi Trish J I don't know if there is any connection as I haven't been able to find any further back than Eliza and am assuming she was from around Batheaston as she died there and the children were born there. How close is that to your Fry family home, Trish? Do you know if your Ann had brothers as that time might fit - that is, it is about the age Eliza's parents may have been. Don't suppose anyone has access to the parish records for Frys at all? That would help out enormously if you can Would love to tie this family down but mayn't be able to - thanks Trish Meegan