Ann Ryder wrote: > Hi Anne, > > > Sorry I thought I had replied to your posting. > > Thank you very much for the 1841 census, I wonder where George was? I think > this is the marriage, George Hain to Mary Hill in Yeovil District in Sep > 1845 If there was a 12 year old in 1848 (therefore born 1836), possibly George had a previous marriage. If George had a child b 1836, he must have been born before 1820, probably well before... these are the only George Hain* in 1841 living in Somerset that fit George Haine abt 1816 Somerset, England Ditcheat, Somerset George Haine abt 1816 Somerset, England Tintinhull, Somerset George Haines abt 1801 Somerset, England Huntspill, Somerset Geo Hains abt 1813 Somerset, England Wedmore, Somerset None are weavers...the only apparently unmarried one (Tintinhull) is a male servant on a farm. > In the East Coker Burials 1813-1885 Hain Mary East Coker 28 May 1848 age 31 > this looks like his late wife. > The1841 census for Mary Hain abt 1835 East Coker, Somerset looks like the > one who married Robert Lacey a thatcher. I thought you said she was b c 1854 ? In 1881, the Mary b 1835 would have been 46 - according to the 1881 census, Mary Ann Lacey was 29, so they cannot be the same...OTOH, the 1835 Mary could well be the *daughter* of George and whoever his first wife was. In 1841, she is living with John and Elizabeth Hain...BUT she is the only member of the family NOT born in Somerset. So if her father were the George Hain who murdered his wife, his first wife may have died and he possibly left the child with his ?brother?. Given the big gap in ages between the children in the newspaper report, I'd say this is a possibility. I've sent you the 1841 image. There is a Jane Hain who might fit Deaths Jun 1838 Hain Jane Yeovil 10 412 The only way to find out for sure if there is a connection is to get the marriage certificate for Mary Ann who married Robert Lacey and see who her father was. Marriages Dec 1873 HAINE Mary Ann Yeovil 5c 902 The 1845 marriage certificate should also say whether or not George was a widower. HTH Anne South Australia > > Thank once again, Ann > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Anne Chambers" <anne.chambers@bigpond.com> > To: <eng-somerset@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 2:38 AM > Subject: Re: [ENG-SOM] a murder in East Coker > > >> I thought I might find the eldest child's name in the 1841 census but, >> although there were a few HAINs in East Coker in 1841, there was no >> George or Mary of an appropriate age >> >> Elizabeth Hain abt 1801 Somerset, England East Coker, Somerset >> >> Elizabeth Hain abt 1832 Somerset, England East Coker, Somerset >> >> George Hain abt 1826 Somerset, England East Coker, Somerset >> >> John Hain abt 1796 Somerset, England East Coker, Somerset >> >> John Hain abt 1826 Somerset, England East Coker, Somerset >> >> Joseph Hain abt 1825 Somerset, England East Coker, Somerset >> >> Mary Hain abt 1835 East Coker, Somerset >> >> Phillip Hain abt 1838 Somerset, England East Coker, Somerset >> >> Samson Hain abt 1830 Somerset, England East Coker, Somerset >> >> Samuel Hain abt 1826 Somerset, England East Coker, Somerset >> >> Anne >> South Australia >> >> >> Ann Ryder wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I have found a lengthy news paper report of a murder in East Coker. >>> >>> It states that George Haine a weaver murdered his wife Mary on the 24 May >>> 1848, they had three children, no names given only ages, one of twelve, >>> the >>> next one and a half, and the other five months. >>> >>> the neighbours were >>> >>> Sarah Randle, Mrs Saint, a woman named Gillingham lived three doors away, >>> Charles Saint, Mary Randle, Eliza Bartlet, a woman named Creek, Samuel >>> Conden a mason, who lived next door on the left- hand side, Ann Saint >>> lived >>> next door on the right hand side, A surgeon named Mr Hansted was called >>> to >>> the house, Dr Nesbit of Yeovil attended the post mortem, Mr Prideaux >>> addressed the Jury, Mr Justice Coleridge summed up the case, George Haine >>> was transported for life. I have more info if anyone is interested. >>> >>> I have a Mary A Haine ( born c 1854 East Coker) Who Married Robert Lacey >>> c >>> 1873 ?, Would any one know >>> >>> anything about these families, are they related if so I would be >>> delighted >>> to hear. >>> >>> Ann >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ENG-SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Anne, Thank you for your help & info sent, I will have look into getting a certificate. I am in contact with a g grandson of Robert & Mary, I will see I he has found out any more about them since I last contact him a few weeks ago . I hope your weather is better than ours , it has been pouring with rain all day > The1841 census for Mary Hain abt 1835 East Coker, Somerset looks like the > < > one who married Robert Lacey a thatcher.I thought you said she was b c > 1854 < Yes she was born c 1854 my mistake Thanks again Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Chambers" <anne.chambers@bigpond.com> To: "Somerset List" <eng-somerset@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 2:24 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-SOM] a murder in East Coker > Ann Ryder wrote: >> Hi Anne, >> >> >> Sorry I thought I had replied to your posting. >> >> Thank you very much for the 1841 census, I wonder where George was? I >> think >> this is the marriage, George Hain to Mary Hill in Yeovil District in Sep >> 1845 > > If there was a 12 year old in 1848 (therefore born 1836), possibly > George had a previous marriage. > > If George had a child b 1836, he must have been born before 1820, > probably well before... > > these are the only George Hain* in 1841 living in Somerset that fit > > George Haine abt 1816 Somerset, England Ditcheat, Somerset > > George Haine abt 1816 Somerset, England Tintinhull, Somerset > > George Haines abt 1801 Somerset, England Huntspill, Somerset > > Geo Hains abt 1813 Somerset, England Wedmore, Somerset > > > None are weavers...the only apparently unmarried one (Tintinhull) is a > male servant on a farm. > >> In the East Coker Burials 1813-1885 Hain Mary East Coker 28 May 1848 age >> 31 >> this looks like his late wife. >> The1841 census for Mary Hain abt 1835 East Coker, Somerset looks like the >> one who married Robert Lacey a thatcher. > > I thought you said she was b c 1854 ? In 1881, the Mary b 1835 would > have been 46 - according to the 1881 census, Mary Ann Lacey was 29, so > they cannot be the same...OTOH, the 1835 Mary could well be the > *daughter* of George and whoever his first wife was. In 1841, she is > living with John and Elizabeth Hain...BUT she is the only member of the > family NOT born in Somerset. So if her father were the George Hain who > murdered his wife, his first wife may have died and he possibly left the > child with his ?brother?. Given the big gap in ages between the > children in the newspaper report, I'd say this is a possibility. I've > sent you the 1841 image. > > There is a Jane Hain who might fit > Deaths Jun 1838 > Hain Jane Yeovil 10 412 > > The only way to find out for sure if there is a connection is to get the > marriage certificate for Mary Ann who married Robert Lacey and see who > her father was. > Marriages Dec 1873 > HAINE Mary Ann Yeovil 5c 902 > > The 1845 marriage certificate should also say whether or not George was > a widower. > > HTH > > Anne > South Australia >> >> Thank once again, Ann >> > > > > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Anne Chambers" <anne.chambers@bigpond.com> >> To: <eng-somerset@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 2:38 AM >> Subject: Re: [ENG-SOM] a murder in East Coker >> >> >>> I thought I might find the eldest child's name in the 1841 census but, >>> although there were a few HAINs in East Coker in 1841, there was no >>> George or Mary of an appropriate age >>> >>> Elizabeth Hain abt 1801 Somerset, England East Coker, Somerset >>> >>> Elizabeth Hain abt 1832 Somerset, England East Coker, Somerset >>> >>> George Hain abt 1826 Somerset, England East Coker, Somerset >>> >>> John Hain abt 1796 Somerset, England East Coker, Somerset >>> >>> John Hain abt 1826 Somerset, England East Coker, Somerset >>> >>> Joseph Hain abt 1825 Somerset, England East Coker, Somerset >>> >>> Mary Hain abt 1835 East Coker, Somerset >>> >>> Phillip Hain abt 1838 Somerset, England East Coker, Somerset >>> >>> Samson Hain abt 1830 Somerset, England East Coker, Somerset >>> >>> Samuel Hain abt 1826 Somerset, England East Coker, Somerset >>> >>> Anne >>> South Australia >>> >>> >>> Ann Ryder wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I have found a lengthy news paper report of a murder in East Coker. >>>> >>>> It states that George Haine a weaver murdered his wife Mary on the 24 >>>> May >>>> 1848, they had three children, no names given only ages, one of twelve, >>>> the >>>> next one and a half, and the other five months. >>>> >>>> the neighbours were >>>> >>>> Sarah Randle, Mrs Saint, a woman named Gillingham lived three doors >>>> away, >>>> Charles Saint, Mary Randle, Eliza Bartlet, a woman named Creek, Samuel >>>> Conden a mason, who lived next door on the left- hand side, Ann Saint >>>> lived >>>> next door on the right hand side, A surgeon named Mr Hansted was called >>>> to >>>> the house, Dr Nesbit of Yeovil attended the post mortem, Mr Prideaux >>>> addressed the Jury, Mr Justice Coleridge summed up the case, George >>>> Haine >>>> was transported for life. I have more info if anyone is interested. >>>> >>>> I have a Mary A Haine ( born c 1854 East Coker) Who Married Robert >>>> Lacey >>>> c >>>> 1873 ?, Would any one know >>>> >>>> anything about these families, are they related if so I would be >>>> delighted >>>> to hear. >>>> >>>> Ann >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> ENG-SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ENG-SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >