If you are certain on Cheltenham you can search on FreeBMD for first name. Have you considered Clara J Williams? Philip Maddocks ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 1:02 AM Subject: [ENG-SOM] Birth and mother of Clara Teresa Jane Williams GOODDEN > This family appears to have moved around a lot!! > > I have tried unsuccessfully to find the birth of Clara Teresa > Jane Williams GOODDEN on free BMD in order to send for a birth > certificate that would show name of her mother. Can you help? She was > born in 1865 or 1866 in Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England. She > married James Charles GWATKIN in 1888 in Abergavenny, Monmouthshire, > Wales. I have a copy of BOTH her marriage certificate and her death > certificate. She died 29 January 1939 in Acton, Middlesex, England. One > of her sons was living there then. > > Believe her father to be Matthew GOODDEN who was born about 1828 > or earlier or later in Yeovil, Somersetshire, England. BUT it appears > from different census records and other records that he may have been > married more than once (at least three you can see below). Thus far I > have found only one possible marriage record. Not sure if all the items > shown below belong to Clara and her father Matthew. > > 1. Found a baptism (christening) record for a Matthew GOODDEN, baptized > 6 August 1830, Yeovil, Somersetshire, England. Parents Robert GOODDEN > and Jane. Looking at other records, he may not have been baptized the > year he was born. > > 2. Free BMD shows a marriage in March quarter 1846 in Honiton district, > Devonshire, England of a Matthew GOODDEN and a Hannah MUNDY. > > 3. The 1851 census for Cam, Gloucestershire, England, HO107, piece 1958, > folio 502, page 20, shows Matthew GOODDEN, age 28, occupation "leece of > tolls", with his wife Hannah and two young sons, one of who was born in > Devonshire, England. Hannah was 23, born in Cornwall, England. > > 4. The 1859 Azzies for Gloucestershire, 9 August 1859, as found on > ancestry.com, shows what appears to be Matthew GOODDEN, his father Robert > GOODDEN, and a relative William GOODDEN. William was fined but Robert > and Matthew were on their "recognizance to appear and hear judgement when > called upon". > > 4. Have not yet found Matthew GOODDEN on the 1861 census. > > 5. The 1871 census records are most interesting. > a. Tipton, Staffordshire, England, RG10, piece 2999, folio 76, page > 29, shows Clara Jane GOODEN, age 5, daughter, born in Cheltenham, > Gloucestershire, England, daughter. She is with Ann GOODEN, head of > household, age 24, a toll collector, born in Gloucestershire, England. > Also in the home is a widowed Jane WILLIAMS that I have yet to figure out > if she is related to Clara. > b. Nottinghamshire, England, RG10, piece 3514, folio 38, page 3, > shows in the town prison, Mathew GOODDEN, age 48, married, contractor for > tolls. > > 6. The 1881 shows her as Clara T. J. GOODDEN, at Abergavenny, > Monmouthshire, Wales, RG11, piece 5235, folio 83, page 1 as a daughter. > She is with Matthew GOODDEN, age 53, collector of tolls, and his wife > Harriet, age 43, born in Crasbury, Worcestershire, England. > > 7. The years 1890 and 1891 are again interesting. > a. On ancestry.com found on England and Wales, Criminal Records, in > Herefordshire, England, a Matthew GOODDEN, accused of forgery at common > law, convicted and sentenced for twelve calendar months to the common > gaol (jail), on 3 December 1890. > b. The 1891 census for Hereford, Herefordshire, England, RG12, > piece 2062, folio 60, page 8, shows Matthew GOODEN, age 69, a baker, in > prison. > c. Have not found 1891 census for married Clara and her husband > James Charles GWATKIN. They had a daughter born in 1891 in Abergavenny, > Monmouthshire, Wales. > > 8. Again 1901 has two possible records for Clara's father. > a. The 1901 census may show Matthew GOODDEN in Crickhowell, > Breconshire, Wales, age 78. I have not been able to see who is listed > with him, such as a wife. > b. Kelly's directory for 1901 shows Matthew GOODDEN at Llangrwyey, > South Wales, a toll-gate keeper. > > 9. It appears Matthew GOODDEN died in June quarter 1903, age 80, > Crickhowell district, Breconshire, Wales from free BMD. > > 10. The 1911 census shows Clara and James GWATKIN at Abergavenny, > Monmouthshire, Wales, > > RuthAnn Tolman Baker in the United States > ____________________________________________________________ > 51 Yr Old Woman Looks 25 > Mom Publishes Free Wrinkle Secret That Has Angered Doctors! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4ea8a09ec91eac1a0fst03vuc > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message