On 05/08/2013 20:54, Alan Knutson wrote: > Perhaps they were the ones killed in action. > > > On 8/5/2013 2:27 PM, Pat Hase wrote: >> >I've no idea - perhaps they were put there (they look like drawing pins) if >> >the person returned to the village to live. Happily not; Shapwick is a "thankful village" where no local men were lost in the war. Ian

On 05/08/2013 20:27, Pat Hase wrote: > I've no idea - perhaps they were put there (they look like drawing pins) if > the person returned to the village to live. > Any other suggestions? > I wondered if they might indicate promotions or decorations, but a short look at the London Gazette didn't produce any support for that. So I think your idea is the best, Pat. Ian

Pat Hase wrote: > I've no idea - perhaps they were put there (they look like drawing pins) if > the person returned to the village to live. > Any other suggestions? > Many of them can easily be found on the 1911 census living locally. I thought they looked like drawing pins. Perhaps someone was putting the pins next to the names as they came home. Not all the names have them. Some names appear to have been added later and one has a + by his name. Mum and me will follow up on them. Thanks for your help. Rebecca

I've no idea - perhaps they were put there (they look like drawing pins) if the person returned to the village to live. Any other suggestions? Many of them can easily be found on the 1911 census living locally. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shapwick & Ashcott OPC" <shapwick.ashcott.opc@gmail.com> To: <eng-somerset@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-SOM] Shapwick, a Thankful Village > Pat Hase wrote: >> There is an image of the Shapwick Roll of Honour on this page >> http://cattermoles.co.uk/warmemorials/poldenhills/Pages/18.html >> >> Hope this answers your question > > Wow, that was quick. Thank you very much. That's just what I needed > > Do you have any idea what the gold dots are beside the names mean? > > Rebecca >

Pat Hase wrote: > There is an image of the Shapwick Roll of Honour on this page > http://cattermoles.co.uk/warmemorials/poldenhills/Pages/18.html > > Hope this answers your question Wow, that was quick. Thank you very much. That's just what I needed Do you have any idea what the gold dots are beside the names mean? Rebecca

There is an image of the Shapwick Roll of Honour on this page http://cattermoles.co.uk/warmemorials/poldenhills/Pages/18.html Hope this answers your question Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shapwick & Ashcott OPC" <shapwick.ashcott.opc@gmail.com> To: <ENG-SOMERSET@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 4:25 PM Subject: [ENG-SOM] Shapwick, a Thankful Village > According to the Hellfire Corner website, Shapwick sent 32 of her men > to fight in WWI, approximately 10% of the village (1911 census). > > I would like to find out who these men were. Can anyone suggest any > way of discovering their names please? > > Rebecca

According to the Hellfire Corner website, Shapwick sent 32 of her men to fight in WWI, approximately 10% of the village (1911 census). I would like to find out who these men were. Can anyone suggest any way of discovering their names please? Rebecca

Perhaps they were the ones killed in action. On 8/5/2013 2:27 PM, Pat Hase wrote: > I've no idea - perhaps they were put there (they look like drawing pins) if > the person returned to the village to live. > Any other suggestions? > Many of them can easily be found on the 1911 census living locally. > > Pat > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Shapwick & Ashcott OPC" <shapwick.ashcott.opc@gmail.com> > To: <eng-somerset@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 5:58 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-SOM] Shapwick, a Thankful Village > > >> Pat Hase wrote: >>> There is an image of the Shapwick Roll of Honour on this page >>> http://cattermoles.co.uk/warmemorials/poldenhills/Pages/18.html >>> >>> Hope this answers your question >> Wow, that was quick. Thank you very much. That's just what I needed >> >> Do you have any idea what the gold dots are beside the names mean? >> >> Rebecca >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Afternoon all, www.wsom.org.uk has just been updated by starting on Lydeard St. Lawrence Baptisms, (1813 to 1850) and Marriages, (1813 to 1837). I have more marriages to hand, up to 1860, which will be next. While I am aware that David Cheek has done them, I wanted to assist visitors to my web site who might be searching for ancestors from neighbouring parishes, by avoiding the need to 'jump between' different sites. Cheers, Martin Southwood

Bob, The Archer Software site shows that there are basically no online IGI records for Butcombe on Family Search. If you Google "Butcombe Parish Records" you'll see the local history society has some parish records available to members only. But will they have your family? 1851 census shows a Jeremiah, Matthew and Hercules Clark of similar ages all born Butcombe. But are they brothers or maybe cousins. You might check for them in any trees. But as you say, nobody can produce records or proofs. You might have to decide if you want to spend the money to join the local society without any guarantee they have what you want. Maybe you could try emailing them.. Peter

The Weston-super-Mare & District FHS does have a transcription of the Butcombe baptisms from 1692-1903 online for its members (annual membership fee very reasonable!) plus many other local parishes. It shows the baptism of a Jeremiah CLARK[sic] 21st May 1749 s/o Jeremiah & Martha and other children for Jeremiah & Martha. So the name was in Butcombe for many years I can't see a baptism for the Jeremiah who died in 1871 although there is Hercules baptised in 1788 s/o John & ???? who just might be a brother? Unfortunately the marriages for that period are not yet transcribed but elsewhere I see a marriage in 1833 of a Jeremy CLARK to a Lucy MILLS in Butcombe and a John CLARK married Mary WILKINS in Butcombe 1777 It would need some time spent reconstructing the CLARK/E family from Butcombe - it is likely that Jeremiah could have been baptised in a neighbouring parish. All you need is perseverance and you seem to have that! Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter R Booth" <pbo08596@bigpond.net.au> To: <eng-somerset@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 6:06 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-SOM] death Ewxies - Heremiah Ckark > Bob, > > The Archer Software site shows that there are basically no online IGI > records for Butcombe on Family Search. > > If you Google "Butcombe Parish Records" you'll see the local history > society has some parish records available to members only. But will they > have your family? > > 1851 census shows a Jeremiah, Matthew and Hercules Clark of similar > ages > all born Butcombe. But are they brothers or maybe cousins. > > You might check for them in any trees. But as you say, nobody can > produce records or proofs. > > You might have to decide if you want to spend the money to join the > local society without any guarantee they have what you want. Maybe you > could > try emailing them.. > > Peter >

Hi Bob, I've done some research into Axbridge Workhouse and from my records I can see that Jeremiah CLARKE from Butcombe died in Axbridge Workhouse on the 4th Jan 1871 and was subsequently buried in Butcombe on the 6th Jan 1871. The Admission and Discharge Books have not survived for that time but as his age was 86 it is likely that was he was admitted to the Workhouse Infirmary when he became ill. It was the only free hospital serving that area at that time. There are other CLARKEs from Butcombe in the Workhouse records. A death of a Matthew CLARKE aged 74 - 4th March 1864 The birth of three illegitimate children to young women from Butcombe called CLARKE - two of them died as babies and are buried at Butcombe. The records are in the Somerset Heritage Centre at Taunton Hope this helps Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: <Rdpiet@aol.com> To: <ENG-SOMERSET@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 3:40 AM Subject: [ENG-SOM] 74 Axbridge Work House > Hello all. New to the message board.......My name is Bob > Pieterse and I live in FL, USA.. > I am trying to help a friend on her Clark ancestors from > Butcombe, Somerset, England..........My friends Great grandfather was > Jeremish Clark. I have his deth record from the BMD denoting > his passong in the Jan thru Mar time frame in 1871.....Another > peron had a cemetery listing and said his death date was Jan > 1 oe > 3 of that year.......So far o good. > He is buried at ST Muchaels ad the Angels cenetery... The > cemetery listing shows a reference to .Axbridge work house > GGoogling the term I found it was associated with inmates. > Can anyone shed aylight on what the Axbrudge work house > was........ > Thanks in advance. > Cheers and regards > Bob > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Rdpiet@aol.com wrote: > Thanks......It do seem like I am dead in the water going back > further. > People have Jeremiah's paremts on tree's and when I ask the > answer I get can never be supported by documentaion and is all > conjecture.. You can get back further. I have lines going back to 1590. Other people have gone back even further. It does get more difficult the further back you go because the information available doesn't have the same level of detail as more recent records. Use the trees on Ancestry as a guide and a starting point for your own research. A great many of the trees have been copied one from another. Any errors in one will get reproduced so that eventually a fiction becomes a fact. It's a common belief families in times past stayed in the towns and villages they were born in. Some did, and it's great when that happened, but many moved around. Sometimes it was only to the next village, sometimes much further afield. Traditionally a man married in his bride's parish if different from his own but not always. A new wife would usually go home to her mother for the laying-in and birth of her first child. Jeremiah was a farm worker (ag lab) so he /may/ have needed parish relief at some stage. Those records are available, but not online. What sites, apart from Ancestry, do you use? There are lots out there, some PAYG, some subscription others free. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

In message <7722f.175d4666.3f285c61@aol.com>, Rdpiet@aol.com writes >Thanks......It do seem like I am dead in the water going >back further. People have Jeremiah's paremts on tree's and when >I ask the answer I get can never be supported by documentaion >and is all conjecture.. As already said, FreeREG contains most of the Butcombe registers. Details of the coverage can be found here http://www.freereg.org.uk/parishes/som/b.shtml#1 The Hartcliffe and Bedminster Yahoo group has spreadsheet versions of the same transcriptions. It is free to join. You have to set up a Yahoo address but then you can have the messages sent to your usual address and ignore the Yahoo one. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hartcliffandbedminster/ The Jeremiah buried in Jan 1871 had recorded age 86 and so was born about 1784. There doesn't appear to be a matching baptism at Butcombe. There was a Jeremiah baptised at Rowberrow in 1780, about 5 miles away. -- David Hartley

Many thanks to all who provided input on t Jeremiah Clark and the Clark name in Somserset..... My effrots on behalf of my friend was to find her grandfathers ancetors Her grandfather was Francis Henry Clarke, Grandfather (name seen in Canada wih last letter E) Birth: 1851, Butcombe, Somerset, England Death: 26 Dec 1919, Notre Dame De Grace, Montreal, Quebec Burial: 2 Jan 1920, Mount Royal Cemetery, Montreal, Quebec, Canada Burial Memo: Find A Grave Memorial# 108122202 I have basically accomplished that goal...... I have advised my friend to subscribe to the list so she can respond as she deems apprioriate......... The extent of what she wants seems minimal, why I do not know. She has not tracked Jeremiah's siblings (Matthew, her GG Unc, etc ) and she has not tracked all of her Great Aunts and Uncles. With that said I am retiring from my Clark research. All you folks are to be commended.........the message board is one of the best I have encountered. To bad I can not use it for on my ancestry (father Dutch/mother German). Cheers and regrds to all and have a great day Bob Pieterse, Florida, USA PS...Willing to do research in the US iif ayone needs anything and their acestors crossed he pond....

Hi Bob, Have just seen an answer from Charani re; your query on baptisms all on the same day. There is another reason for this as well. Especially when a parent or both had died, for the one left to look after them, needing Parish Relief to do so, the children had to have been baptised in the parish first. If the parents hadn't been churchgoers, the births may have been recorded in the Government Registration, as it was getting more enforced by then. Compulsory by 1874. I had one, where the parents didn't marry till six years after the birth of the first child, then three of them were baptised on the same day, with the ages of each noted by the vicar. Yours in Genealogy, Jan, in sunny QLD, Australia

Rdpiet@aol.com wrote: > Do not mean to inundate the bord on questions concering Clark. > Only one question left: > > If I order a death certificate/record for Jeremiah Clak (1795 - > 1871) will the death record sill contain the name and occupation > of his father even though deceased. No, it won't. English and Welsh death certificates don't name the father if the deceased is an adult. The father is only named when the deceased is a very young child. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

geejay wrote: > If the parents hadn't been churchgoers, the births may have been recorded in the > Government Registration, as it was getting more enforced by then. Compulsory by > 1874. Civil registration was compulsory from 1 July 1837. It's a common myth that it wasn't compulsory until 1874. Initially the registrar had to find all the newborns and record the births. If he didn't, the parents were supposed to register the birth. This had to be done within 6 weeks (42 days) of the birth but there was no penalty for not doing so until 1874 when the onus for reporting births changed from the registrar to the parents. Failure to register within 6 weeks, resulted in a fine. This is why there was a rise in the number of registrations and why you sometimes find a birthday being celebrated on a day other than the registered one :) Parents had massaged the DoB to avoid the fine. Have a look for Guy Etchells Framland site. He has the relevant Acts on there. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Bob, You've done your homework. If you can identify children William & Francis, his wife is certainly Lucy. But I still feel you might have the wrong death. Do you have a death certificate? It might pay to check the 1863 death. Unfortunately, it doesn't show age. But if you take a 1795 birth which matches census ages of 45 (1841) and 56 (1851) he'd be 68, a long way from 86. I'm assuming 1861 age should be 66 That would leave the 1871 death for the older Jeremiah born 1785. It's just my thoughts for what they are worth. Sometimes a second opinion helps. Peter

Thanks......It do seem like I am dead in the water going back further. People have Jeremiah's paremts on tree's and when I ask the answer I get can never be supported by documentaion and is all conjecture.. No, it won't. English and Welsh death certificates don't name the father if the deceased is an adult. The father is only named when the deceased is a very young child.