-----Original Message----- From: eng-somerset-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-somerset-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of T and J Barry Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 5:46 AM To: ENG-SOMERSET-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-SOM] The origins of Elizabeth Badman born ?Kewstoke I hope some kind soul can throw light on the origins of the following Elizabeth Badman. Elizabeth Badman married John Quick in May 1822 at St John the Baptist, Bristol. In the censuses, all at Worle, she became progressively younger: 1841 Elizabeth 45, John 50. 1851 Elizabeth 54, Kewstoke, John 63. 1861 Elizabeth widow 63, born Dundry. This was an enumerator error. It was Elizabeth Barnes 24, listed as her niece, who was actually born in Dundry though listed in the census as born Kewstoke. See note below. 1871 Elizabeth 72, Kewstoke. 18 Sep 1874, Elizabeth, burial St Martin Worle. Until very recently I was satisfied that our Elizabeth was the Elizabeth Badman who was baptised at St Paul Kewstoke 24 Feb 1796, one of six children of Anthony and Elizabeth, Betty or Betsy Badman but now I have discovered in FreeReg a record of the burial at Kewstoke of Eliza daughter of Anthony and Elizabeth Badman 27 Nov 1796. There is no sign of the baptism of a likely Eliza Badman in Kewstoke, so this is a very strong indication that Eliza was the Elizabeth baptised earlier in February 1796. I checked for other Elizabeth Badmans preferably born Kewstoke between about 1795 and 1798. I found the following using FreeReg,: Elizabeth, baptised: Kewstoke, 3 Mar, 1805 daughter of William and Susannah. This birth date seems too late. Elizabeth, baptised: Bleadon, ? Jan 1797 daughter of Wiliam and Ann, At first sight this Elizabeth looks the most likely but a William and Ann were recorded as parents of altogether 6 children baptised at Bleadon at regular intervals between 1794 and 1808.It seems likely that this family lived in Bleadon and that our Elizabeth would have remembered Bleadon as her birthplace if she lived there at least until 1808. Eliza: baptised, Banwell, 03May1801, daughter of James and Sarah. I have not found any other baptisms near Kewstoke of children of James and Sarah. Another Elizabeth Badman was buried in Kewstoke 04 Oct 1797 but, as neither her age nor parentage was listed, she was probably not young. As a point of interest: Elizabeth Hasell Barnes, age 24 in the 1861 census, had been employed as a nurse/nanny for Thomas Quintin Quick born 1851, a grandson of Elizabeth née Badman. Elizabeth Barnes declared her intention of marrying the infant Thomas and indeed did so in Jan 1872, when she was 35 and he was 21. Thomas Quintin’s elder brother was Edward Badman Quick which tends to confirm his grandmother’s maiden name as Badman. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I don't know exactly what happened in Sutton Bingham but Union Workhouses, like the one at Yeovil, were introduced as a result of the Poor Law Amendment Act of 1834. Prior to that, Parishes maintained their own poor and many had Poor Houses for that purpose. After 1834 any poor of the parish unable to maintain themselves were supposed to be sent to the Union Workhouse and the Poor Houses were sold off with the proceeds augmenting the Poor Rate. They continued to be called "Poor House" or sometimes the "Old Poor House" . It was not unknown for them to have been bought by wealthier members of the parish and then rented out to the less well off! Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: <WLawday@aol.com> To: <eng-somerset@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 1:39 PM Subject: [ENG-SOM] SUTTON FARM, SUTTON BINGHAM - SAMUEL OSMOND >I find my ancestors Samuel and Ann OSMOND and children in 1841 at a farm > farmed by Edmund Laver and family, and next to the Rectory. Samuel was a > farm labourer. <snipped> > Also, in 1851 I find Samuel Osmond and family in the Poor House, Sutton > Bingham, [it's not very clear, but this is what it looks like] and > wondered if > anyone knows where this was. > > Thanks for any help or advice, > Wendy >

Dear Pat, Thanks so much for this explanation, it makes sense to me, as Samuel and the children were all in work, and after his wife died Samuel continued working well into old age and was a lodger and boarder at East Coker therafter. Best wishes, and many thanks for all the help and interest with my enquiry, Wendy

Hi, genuki/somerset/sutton bingham has a good clear Ordnance Survey map of 1884 which shows the enclave that is the Rectory on the left, the church and Rock farm all within one small area , and Sutton Bridge is just to the north of this Rectory and church area , but the next named farm is Hyde farm over the railway toward E Coker . The workhouse was Yeovil and births and deaths were recorded for the workhouse from 1836-1914 , Somerset Heritage Centre has the records . However from the 1851 paged 2, of Sutton Bingham , first is Hyde, then Sutton Mill, then Poor House and then the Rectory . Oddly for a poor house all the inhabitants seem to be in work , and include the parish clerk , I am wondering if they are living in almshoues , there are too many of them to be living in one parish workhouse , and by 1851 the main workhouse was in Yeovil . And according to the pages of the census the Rectory is in the middle of these Poor House designated dwellings ?????? I think Somerset RO will have to explain this . life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: <WLawday@aol.com> To: <eng-somerset@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 1:39 PM Subject: [ENG-SOM] SUTTON FARM, SUTTON BINGHAM - SAMUEL OSMOND >I find my ancestors Samuel and Ann OSMOND and children in 1841 at a farm > farmed by Edmund Laver and family, and next to the Rectory. Samuel was a > farm labourer. > > By checking the 1861 Census [by which time Samuel and family had moved > on] > I find the Laver family farm was called Sutton Farm, and located between > the Rectory and the Saw Mills. I was unable to locate it on a map of the > area, and wondered if the name of the farm had been changed. The Rectory > may > currently be called Pendomer House, a B & B establishment. > > Also, in 1851 I find Samuel Osmond and family in the Poor House, Sutton > Bingham, [it's not very clear, but this is what it looks like] and > wondered if > anyone knows where this was. > > Sutton Bingham is the earliest location I have found for the Osmonds, who > were there from the 1700s onwards, and I hope to visit the village and > locality. Samuel ended up at East Coker. > > Thanks for any help or advice, > Wendy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Elizabeth, Yes, I noticed that the Poor House inhabitants were all in work, and thought it rather odd, but to have the location of farm and Poor House is great. Thanks so much for the mapping information. this is such a help I will make some enquiries re. the Poor Houses, Once I saw some photos of the sweet, tiny church I made up my mind to go for a stay! Bes regards and thanks once more, Wendy

I find my ancestors Samuel and Ann OSMOND and children in 1841 at a farm farmed by Edmund Laver and family, and next to the Rectory. Samuel was a farm labourer. By checking the 1861 Census [by which time Samuel and family had moved on] I find the Laver family farm was called Sutton Farm, and located between the Rectory and the Saw Mills. I was unable to locate it on a map of the area, and wondered if the name of the farm had been changed. The Rectory may currently be called Pendomer House, a B & B establishment. Also, in 1851 I find Samuel Osmond and family in the Poor House, Sutton Bingham, [it's not very clear, but this is what it looks like] and wondered if anyone knows where this was. Sutton Bingham is the earliest location I have found for the Osmonds, who were there from the 1700s onwards, and I hope to visit the village and locality. Samuel ended up at East Coker. Thanks for any help or advice, Wendy

Jon I suspect that a GOULD might be the father but I doubt his first name was Percy so the net is wide open. Sarah WARE appears to have married a William DOLE in 1896 - They're living in Bath in 1901 - still a possibility Pat ----- Original Message ----- . I also thought that maybe Percy Gould was his father’s forename and surname, but in Somerset there was no Percy Gould of fathering age. Of course he may still be the father and may have just stopped off at Wells on his way from A to B, who knows. I know there is a very small chance that his father is named on the birth certificate, but I’m only expecting to find a strike.

Dear Elizabeth and Pat, Thanks so much for your replies, they are much appreciated. As you stated, Percy was recorded as nephew to James Perry in both 1901 and 1911 censuses. Interestingly his CWGC record shows him to be the “Foster son” of J W Perry. I had already noted that Emily had married a few years too early for him to have been her son, which left Mary Ann and Sarah as possibilities. I also thought that maybe Percy Gould was his father’s forename and surname, but in Somerset there was no Percy Gould of fathering age. Of course he may still be the father and may have just stopped off at Wells on his way from A to B, who knows. I know there is a very small chance that his father is named on the birth certificate, but I’m only expecting to find a strike. I was very grateful for the 1901 census with Emily Stevens and Mary Ann Weare, thanks so much for that. I hadn’t got as far as tracking Emily after her marriage. Sincerest thanks and best wishes, Jon

As on the 1901 and 1911 censuses his is living as a nephew of James PERRY and his wife Margaret whose maiden name was "WARE" see FreeBMD and as both Margaret and Percy were born in Wells - the chances are that he is the son of a one of Margaret's sisters and that perhaps his father's name is GOULD? On the 1881 census it appears that she has a younger sister called Emily - but there might be others and of course he could have been Margaret's but she wasn't letting on! A snag - it looks as if Emily married (as WARE) in 1891 to either a REDMAN or a STEVENS Back to the 1871 census (of Burcott) where the family is listed as WEARE and there is another daughter called Mary born in 1871 - By 1891 Mary and another sister, Sarah are both living in Wells so there's another possibility in 1901 Mary is living with married sister Emily STEVENS (so that's who she married) You're going to need that certificate unless you can find a christening for Percy.! Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon" <berksmon@outlook.com> To: <eng-somerset@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 4:04 PM Subject: [ENG-SOM] Percy Gould WEARE > Hi everyone, > > Before the order of the birth certificate below is made, does anyone have > this gentleman in their tree and happen to know who his parents are > please? > > Many thanks, > > Jon > > Surname: Weare > Forenames: Percy Gould > Qtr: Oct-Dec > Year: 1893 > Registration District: Wells > Volume: 5C > Page: 451 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, the 1901 census shows a Percy Ware born Wells , aged 7,. living with an uncle and aunt in Bath , James and Margaret Perry, he is b Chippenham , and she in Wells . However I cannot find on Freebmd any marriage between a Perry and a Ware/Weare , nor can I find a Weare /Gould marriage either . So it looks like the certificate !! life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon" <berksmon@outlook.com> To: <eng-somerset@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 4:04 PM Subject: [ENG-SOM] Percy Gould WEARE > Hi everyone, > > Before the order of the birth certificate below is made, does anyone have > this gentleman in their tree and happen to know who his parents are > please? > > Many thanks, > > Jon > > Surname: Weare > Forenames: Percy Gould > Qtr: Oct-Dec > Year: 1893 > Registration District: Wells > Volume: 5C > Page: 451 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi everyone, Before the order of the birth certificate below is made, does anyone have this gentleman in their tree and happen to know who his parents are please? Many thanks, Jon Surname: Weare Forenames: Percy Gould Qtr: Oct-Dec Year: 1893 Registration District: Wells Volume: 5C Page: 451

The FreeCEN database has been updated. FreeCEN now contains over 1 million Somerset census records covering the years 1841 to 1891 including the complete 1861 census. I would like to congratulate all those volunteers who have assisted with this project either currently or in the past and have made this achievement possible. We look forward to continuing this success into the future. Pieces that have recently been added to the database and which may be of interest to members of this board include: 1841 Gloucestershire HO107/379 Gloucester City Parishes of St Aldgate, St Catherine, St Catherine Kingsho, St John the Baptist, St Mary de Crypt, St Mary de Lode, St Owen, St Mary de Grace, St Michael, St Nicholas, Littleworth, Holy Trinity, College Precincts 1841 Somerset HO107/932 Bempstone Parishes of Chappel Allerton, Weare, Wedmore, Biddisham, Brean and Berrow, Burnham, Mark, Weare, Wedmore 1841 Somerset HO107/933 Brent with Wrington Parishes of Brean, East Brent, South Brent, Burrington, Lympsham, Wrington 1841 Somerset HO107/935 Cannington Parishes of Aisholt, Cannington, Fiddington, Otterhampton, Spaxton, Stockland Bristol, Stogursey, Over Stowey, Stringston 1841 Somerset HO107/939 Chewton Parishes of Brockley, Cameley, Chewton Mendip, Chilcompton, Compton Martin, Emborow, Farrington Gurney, West Harptree, Hinton Blewett, Kingston Seymour, High Littleton, Midsomer Norton, Paulton, Stone Easton, Ubley 1841 Somerset HO107/942 Frome Parishes of Beckington, Berkley, Cloford, East Cranmore, Great Elm, Little Elm, Frome, Laverton, Lullington, Marston Bigot, Marston Bigot, Nunney, Orchardleigh, Road, Rodden, Standerwick, Wanstrow, Whatley, Witham Friary, Woolverton 1841 Somerset HO107/948 Kilmersdon Parishes of Ashwick, Babington, Buckland Denham, HardingtonMandevile, Holcombe, Kilmersdon, Radstock, Stratton on, Wellow, Writhlington 1841 Somerset HO107/951 Martock Parishes of Martock, Mells and Leigh, Leigh, Milverton, Ashbrittle, Bathealton, Killisford, Langford Budville, Milverton, Runnington, Sampford Arundell, Stawley, Thorne St Margaret 1841 Somerset HO107/952 Norton Ferris Parishes of Bratton Seymour, Charlton Musgrave, Cucklington, Kilmington, Maiden Bradley, Penselwood, Shipton Montague, Stoke Trister, Stourton, Wincanton 1841 Somerset HO107/953 Petherton North Parishes of Bawdrip, Chedzoy, Chilton Trinity, Durston, St Michael Church, Pawlett, North Petherton, Thurloxton, Wembdon 1841 Somerset HO107/956 Portbury Parishes of Abbots Leigh, Flax Bourton, Clapton, Clevedon, Saint George, Easton in Gordano, Nailsea, Portbury, Portishead, Tickenham, Walton in Gordano, Wraxall 1841 Somerset HO107/957 Somerton Parishes of Aller, Camel West, Charlton Adam, Charlton Mackrell, Kingsdon, Lydford East, Somerton, Long Sutton, Yeovilton 1841 Somerset HO107/958 Stone Parishes of Ashington, Brimpton, Chilthorne Dorner, Limington, Lutton, Mudford, Preston, Yeovil 1841 Somerset HO107/965 Williton/Freemanners Parishes of Bicknoler, Brompton Ralph, Brompton Regis, Brushford, Chipstable, Clatworthy, Old Cleeve, Crowcombe, St Decuman, Dodington, Dulverton, Elworthy, Exmoor, Exton, Halse, Hawkridge, Huish Champflower 1841 Somerset HO107/966 Williton/Freemanners Parishes of Kilton, Kilve, Lilstock, Monksilver, Nettlecombe, Quantoxhead East, Quantoxhead West, Raddington, Sampford Brett, Skilgate, Stogumber, Nether Stowey, Upton, Winsford, Withypoole 1841 Somerset HO107/970 Bath Forum Parish of Walcot 1851 Somerset HO107/1931 Wincanton Parishes of Blackford, Bratton Seymour, Bruton, Buckhorn Weston, Charlton Musgrove, Cucklington, Holton, Kington Magna, Maperton, North Bruham, North Cheriton, Penselwood, Pitcombe, Shepton Montague, South Bruham, Stoke Trister, Wincanton 1871 Somerset RG10/2404 Combe St Nicholas Parishes of Buckland St Mary, Eleigh Water, Wadford, Higher Betham, Lower Betham, Whitestaunton, Knowle St Giles, Yarcombe (Devon), Marsh, Wambrook (Dorset) 1871 Somerset RG10/2414 Martock Parishes of Martock, Coate, Stapleton, Bower Hinton, Ash, Milton 1871 Somerset RG10/2468 Chew Magna Parishes of Chew Magna, Stone, Bishops Sutton, North Elm, Northwick, Knowle, Knighton Sutton, Stanton Drew 1871 Somerset RG10/2485 Lyncombe Parish of Bath Regards Geoff Jarvis FreeCEN Coordinator Somerset 1841 - 1871 http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~somtcen/ Census Coordinator Somerset OPC Project http://wsom-opc.org.uk/

On 03/09/2013 18:42, Rex Johnson wrote: > I know from experience that the Civil Registration process in the 1850s was > not fully used.I have found a number of children baptised in parish records, > without any Civil registration entry. These are the ones difficult to trace > when you live miles away out of County You can hire the films of the Taunton parish registers from the LDS family history centres. It only costs a few pounds. You can find your nearest centre from the FamilySearch site. Rebecca

Thank you Elizabeth and Rebecca for comment so far. I was aware of the two girls registered in the 1850s - and as you say, one appears to be too old for the Census entry in 1881, and the other too young to have a child in 1870. I know from experience that the Civil Registration process in the 1850s was not fully used.I have found a number of children baptised in parish records, without any Civil registration entry. These are the ones difficult to trace when you live miles away out of County - the ones who cause the brick walls. I was just hoping someone in Somerset would have investigated the PAVEYS at parish record level, and found that extra bit of information. As for the payment situation I mentioned - there is written material passed down the family. The problem with Annie, and the parentage situation, is being investigated seprately via another list. As far as we know she never lived in Somerset. Thanks again, Rex

On 03/09/2013 14:25, Rex Johnson wrote: > Her mother - this time Mary Jane PAVEY - was living with the family of > the Head of Dulwich College (Camberwell) as a cook, aged 26, born > Taunton, Somerset. I can't find her in later Census Returns, so perhaps > she married and had further family. > It is known that this family funded Annie's schooling, and paid out as > she was brought up. How they connect to the paternity situation remains > unknown. What evidence do you have that the family funded Annie's schooling? Could the school fees part of her mother's wages? Rebecca

Hi, If Mary Anne/Jane was remotely accurate in her age and place of birth , there are two Taunton births registered, one Mary Anne in June 1852 which would seem too early , and one Mary Jane also Taunton in the March 1/4 of 1858 which is a bit late for a birth c 1855 , no Mary or Mary Anne/Jane in between June 1852 and Dec 1857 in Somerset . life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex Johnson" <rex1937@gmail.com> To: <ENG-SOMERSET@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 2:25 PM Subject: [ENG-SOM] Mary [Anne or Jane] PAVEY mid 1800s > Dear List, > I have researched my own family in Lincolnshire (and adjacent counties) > for over 40 years, and have been into Genealogy by DNA for over a dozen > years. Today I am trying to help a close relative get more information > about her grandmother and great gandmother - the latter giving her place > of birth in the 1881 census as Taunton, Somerset. > The line back to the grandmother is sorted - she was Annie Jane PAVEY, > birth registered July 1870 by mother Mary Anne PAVEY in Marylebone. No > father recorded, so Annie was illegitimate. > I can't find Annie or Mary Anne in the 1871 Census. There was a Mary > Anne in Taunton, but there were two Mary Anne's registered there > (FreeBMD) and I doubt this is the family member I need to confirm. > In the 1881 census Annie was in a boarding school in Mitcham aged 10. > Her mother - this time Mary Jane PAVEY - was living with the family of > the Head of Dulwich College (Camberwell) as a cook, aged 26, born > Taunton, Somerset. I can't find her in later Census Returns, so perhaps > she married and had further family. > It is known that this family funded Annie's schooling, and paid out as > she was brought up. How they connect to the paternity situation remains > unknown. > Has anyone researched the PAVEYs in the Taunton district? Can anyone > help with the identification of Mary Anne/Jane above? > Thank you for reading. Rex > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear List, I have researched my own family in Lincolnshire (and adjacent counties) for over 40 years, and have been into Genealogy by DNA for over a dozen years. Today I am trying to help a close relative get more information about her grandmother and great gandmother - the latter giving her place of birth in the 1881 census as Taunton, Somerset. The line back to the grandmother is sorted - she was Annie Jane PAVEY, birth registered July 1870 by mother Mary Anne PAVEY in Marylebone. No father recorded, so Annie was illegitimate. I can't find Annie or Mary Anne in the 1871 Census. There was a Mary Anne in Taunton, but there were two Mary Anne's registered there (FreeBMD) and I doubt this is the family member I need to confirm. In the 1881 census Annie was in a boarding school in Mitcham aged 10. Her mother - this time Mary Jane PAVEY - was living with the family of the Head of Dulwich College (Camberwell) as a cook, aged 26, born Taunton, Somerset. I can't find her in later Census Returns, so perhaps she married and had further family. It is known that this family funded Annie's schooling, and paid out as she was brought up. How they connect to the paternity situation remains unknown. Has anyone researched the PAVEYs in the Taunton district? Can anyone help with the identification of Mary Anne/Jane above? Thank you for reading. Rex

Afternoon all, www.wsom.org.uk has just been updated to take Lydeard St. Lawrence Marriages and Burials forward to 1860. Cheers, Martin Southwood

On 28/08/2013 09:40, WLawday@aol.com wrote: > > I note the PR Baptisms are currently being suscribed, but if anyone has > access to the baptisms there, I would be pleased if they could look for the > following. > > Albion James OSMOND, born 1886 - 1888 at Queen Camel, son of Harry [Henry] > and Elizabeth Anne [nee Miller of Oborne Dorset]. I can't find a baptism > on Ancestry. Have you tried FamilySearch? The films should be available through the LDS for a nominal sum if you have one of their Family History Centres within travelling distance of where you live. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Hi, if you go to Somerset1.gov.uk/archives you will find you can scroll down through the alphabetical parishes and Queen Camel has bapts 1703-1899, and burials 1699-1984 . If you are sure they were bapt and buried in QC then this would be the simplest way of getting the answer life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: <WLawday@aol.com> To: <eng-somerset@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 9:40 AM Subject: [ENG-SOM] QUEEN CAMEL PARISH REGISTERS > > I note the PR Baptisms are currently being suscribed, but if anyone has > access to the baptisms there, I would be pleased if they could look for > the > following. > > Albion James OSMOND, born 1886 - 1888 at Queen Camel, son of Harry [Henry] > and Elizabeth Anne [nee Miller of Oborne Dorset]. I can't find a baptism > on Ancestry. > > The family roamed Somerset and Dorset throughout their lives, with Harry's > family mainly basd in the Dorchester area at that time, to which Harry > later returned. > > Albion went on to be a baker at Clevedon, while Harry and his second wife > Lavinia ended up at Milverton. Harry was a steam roller driver at times. > > I am also looking for the burial of their mother Elizabeth Anne Osmond, > who > died in 1893. > > Thanks for any advice, > Wendy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >