FreeCEN has recently been updated. The following pieces, which may be of interest to members of the list, have been added to the database: 1871 Somerset RG10/2420 Ilchester Parishes of Ilchester , Northover , Sock Dennis , Ashington , Limington , Yeovilton , Bridgehampton , Speckington , Chilton Cantelo , West Camel , Urgesay , Downhead , Podimore-Milton , Chilthorne-Domer , Oakley 1871 Somerset RG10/2481 Abbey Parish of Bath Regards Geoff Jarvis FreeCEN Coordinator Somerset (1841 - 1871) http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~somtcen/ Somerset OPC Project Census Coordinator http://wsom-opc.org.uk/

On 01/10/2013 10:03, Myrtle wrote: > Hello, > > Yesterday I found out that one of my aunts was at Brocks Mount, > Stope-under-Ham, Somerset in the 1920s, she would have been about 4years of > age, was this place an orphanage, home, school, and where was it? please. > > The nearest I can find is Stoke sub Hamdon. If you put "Brocks Mount, Stoke sub Hamdon" into a search engine the results show it's a road of fairly new houses (courtesy of Google Maps). On a map of 1900, there's a large house on the site which appears to have been built between 1887 and 1900 because it's not on the earlier online map on the Heritage Centre site, but the chapel and Parsonage Farm are. (http://www1.somerset.gov.uk/archives/Maps/OS62htm/8210.htm) An old directory, such as Kelly's, should help identify whether it was a private house or an establishment of some kind. Somerset Heritage Centre would probably have more inforamation. Stoke (not Stope) under Ham was the old name for Stoke sub Hamdon. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Hi Myrtle I would suggest that you were heading down the right avenue - see : http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=66503 Stoke-under-Hamdon is often known as Stoke-under-Ham, which, IIRC from when I lived up that way some 40 years ago, sounds about right and suggests that Stope is probably a type or transcription error. If you Google : Brocks Mount stoke under ham Somerset you should come up with lots of interesting tid-bits. Paul On Tue, 1 Oct 2013 10:03:26 +0100 (BST), you wrote: >Hello, > >Yesterday I found out that one of my aunts was at Brocks Mount, Stope-under-Ham, Somerset in the 1920s, she would have been about 4years of age, was this place an orphanage, home, school, and where was it? please. > >The nearest I can find is Stoke sub Hamdon. > >Best wishes, >Myrtle > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

Hello, Yesterday I found out that one of my aunts was at Brocks Mount, Stope-under-Ham, Somerset in the 1920s, she would have been about 4years of age, was this place an orphanage, home, school, and where was it? please. The nearest I can find is Stoke sub Hamdon. Best wishes, Myrtle

Are you familiar with Chipstable, and perhaps the Stones, and specifically Bishop Stone? If so please visit the www.stone-rhodes.org website to understand and perhaps help solve the conundrum. Thanks. Separately, thanks to Elizabeth Howard I have acquired by auction many original Stone documents from the 17-19 centuries. I will post more about them when more of the new data has been digested! -- John C. Stone II New Hampshire & Vermont, USA jcstone2@gmail.com www.stone-rhodes.org Researching: *STONE*, Hill, Norman, Tudbole & variations, Sellick, Perrett/Perrott etc, of Somerset and north Devon

Thank you for all this hard work . life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Southwood" <martinsouthwood@btinternet.com> To: "eng-somerset@rootsweb.com" <ENG-SOMERSET@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 12:31 PM Subject: [ENG-SOM] Web site updated > Afternoon all, > > www.wsom.org.uk has been updated to take Lydeard St. Lawrence Baptism, > Marriage and Burial details back into the 1690's. Interesting where people > came from particularly some Marriages. Some of the "comments" may have > accounted for the popularity! > > Cheers, > > Martin Southwood > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Afternoon If I may add a note regarding David Cheek's Somerset transcriptions etc., which has probably been noted already, they can no longer be found at : http://www.pbenyon1.plus.com/PR_Index.html i.e. they've been available here for many years at : http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pbtyc/PR_Index.html as I can no longer justify spending money duplicating the data so am closing my web site down. Apologies for not informing everyone earlier. Should be grateful if the info could be passed to the other Somerset lists. Regret it is many years since I was involved in genealogy so am not sure what is available these days, although there seem to be a lot more lists in comparison with when we opened up this list, as the first real Somerset List ! Regards to all Paul 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

Afternoon all, www.wsom.org.uk has been updated to take Lydeard St. Lawrence Baptism, Marriage and Burial details back into the 1690's. Interesting where people came from particularly some Marriages. Some of the "comments" may have accounted for the popularity! Cheers, Martin Southwood

On 24/09/2013 16:17, Bob Pittman wrote: > You are right, she may have been illegitimate. I didn't find the Jesse > Sheppard married to Ann Perret. So that certainly could be a clue. I could > speculate that they would be reluctant to baptize an illegitimate child and > felt more comfortable doing it after the mother was married, but why would > the record show the child and mother's names as Parrett after the mother was > married to a Sheppard? It's possible the mother didn't want to baptise an illegitimate child. Many single mothers did but the incumbent may have been one of the "hellfire and damnation" type clergymen so she didn't want to be upset at what should be a joyous occasion. Unfortunately, in a small parish, the incumbent would have known the husband wasn't the father of the child so recorded the baptism without the father's name. The couple probably wouldn't see the baptism register so wouldn't know what had been written, even if they could read which they may not have been able to do. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Hi, Yes, this is my conundrum! You are right, she may have been illegitimate. I didn't find the Jesse Sheppard married to Ann Perret. So that certainly could be a clue. I could speculate that they would be reluctant to baptize an illegitimate child and felt more comfortable doing it after the mother was married, but why would the record show the child and mother's names as Parrett after the mother was married to a Sheppard? As I said, I have run out of ideas to track this down. I hope someone with more experience than I have will have some ideas. Thanks for the information about Jesse Sheppard. Blessings, Bob in FL, USA On Sep 24, 2013, at 3:00 AM, eng-somerset-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 11:37:36 +0100 > From: "elizabeth howard" <elizgh@btinternet.com> > Subject: [ENG-SOM] Looking for information on George Pitman's wife > Maria orMarriah > To: <eng-somerset@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <5EDDA2F95DDB42228E20B26C9FF3D335@max> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi, the 1851 census certainly looks like Sheppard for > Ann , and the marriage looks like Perrett . There is a bapt in Horsington > in 1807 birth date 1803 of a Maria dau of Ann Perrott , and I would imagine > this is her . No father`s name is given so I would think this she was > illegitimate . Maybe Ann married Mr Sheppard later . Interestingly and > inexplicably , Jesse Sheppard married Ann Perret in Horsington in 1806 > .........so why was Maria bapt a year after their marriage ? I can`t find > Jesse in the 1841 census so maybe he had died .

Hi, the 1851 census certainly looks like Sheppard for Ann , and the marriage looks like Perrett . There is a bapt in Horsington in 1807 birth date 1803 of a Maria dau of Ann Perrott , and I would imagine this is her . No father`s name is given so I would think this she was illegitimate . Maybe Ann married Mr Sheppard later . Interestingly and inexplicably , Jesse Sheppard married Ann Perret in Horsington in 1806 .........so why was Maria bapt a year after their marriage ? I can`t find Jesse in the 1841 census so maybe he had died . life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Pittman" <bob_pittman@sil.org> To: <eng-somerset@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 9:33 PM Subject: [ENG-SOM] Looking for information on George Pitman's wife Maria orMarriah > Hi, > > This one really has me stumped! I am looking for information on my 3 Great > Grandmother Maria or Marriah. I believe she lived from about 1803 to > possibly Dec. 1873. She was married to George PITMAN (12/18/1805 to > Jul-Sept 1889). I believe both of them were born in Horsington, Somerset, > England. They may actually have been born in South Cheriton, just down the > road. My father told me her name was pronounced ma-ry'e-ya, and that he > thought the last name was SHEPARD. > > George and Maria lived in Rock House in 1851 and Ann SHEPPARD age 71 is > listed as living with them and being George's mother-in-law, which leads > me to believe Maria was a SHEPPARD. The census also says Ann was born in > Newfoundland. I can not find an Ann SHEPPARD age 61 in the 1841 census in > Horsington. But I have had others tell me Maria's maiden name was PERRETT > or PERCY, but I haven't been able to verify that. I would really like to > get that straight. > > If anyone can shed any light on this what Maria's true maiden name was, I > would greatly appreciate it! I have no idea what else to try. > > Bob in FL, USA. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Bob, There is a marriage at St John's, Horsington of George PITMAN and Maria PERRETT on April 4,1826. The witnesses were Elizabeth BRINE and James HALLETT. Found at: http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Could it be that Maria's mum remarried at some point and became SHEPHERD?

Hi, This one really has me stumped! I am looking for information on my 3 Great Grandmother Maria or Marriah. I believe she lived from about 1803 to possibly Dec. 1873. She was married to George PITMAN (12/18/1805 to Jul-Sept 1889). I believe both of them were born in Horsington, Somerset, England. They may actually have been born in South Cheriton, just down the road. My father told me her name was pronounced ma-ry'e-ya, and that he thought the last name was SHEPARD. George and Maria lived in Rock House in 1851 and Ann SHEPPARD age 71 is listed as living with them and being George's mother-in-law, which leads me to believe Maria was a SHEPPARD. The census also says Ann was born in Newfoundland. I can not find an Ann SHEPPARD age 61 in the 1841 census in Horsington. But I have had others tell me Maria's maiden name was PERRETT or PERCY, but I haven't been able to verify that. I would really like to get that straight. If anyone can shed any light on this what Maria's true maiden name was, I would greatly appreciate it! I have no idea what else to try. Bob in FL, USA.

Dear Listers and in particular Pat, Elizabeth and Chirani I am very cross with myself for not noticing that Elizabeth Badman, daughter of William and Susannah baptised Kewstoke 3rd March was recorded in the parish register as born 28th Dec 1797, a date which agrees reasonably well with the ages of Elizabeth the wife/widow of John Quick in the censuses 1841-1871. But, on the other hand if I had not sent my email to [ENG-SOMERSET] I would not have had your replies which contain much supplementary information and advice that I need to absorb as it looks very pertinent. Many thanks

On 18/09/2013 10:45, T and J Barry wrote: > Elizabeth, baptised: Kewstoke, 3 Mar, 1805 daughter of William and Susannah. > > This birth date seems too late. It's is a baptismal date, not a birth date. Although most children were still babes in arms at the time of their baptism, not all were. There was no requirement for the age or date of birth to be given in the register. If this information was included it was the decision of the incumbent or whoever made up the registers. > Another Elizabeth Badman was buried in Kewstoke 04 Oct 1797 but, as neither > her age nor parentage was listed, she was probably not young. Ages were not routinely given at that time unless the deceased was a remarkable age for the time. Once a child reached a certain age, their father/parents weren't named. You are most likely correct in saying this Elizabeth wasn't young but she could be a12 year old or a married 23 year old. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Barbara, you need to use the unsubscribe link at the end of all emails and follow the instructions as to what to put in the subject line and the message body. Regards, Jon

In answer to the question posed about "Why marry in Bristol?" It was quite common for people from this area of Somerset to get married in Bristol - it was not unusual at all - and they were from all walks of life. Looking again at the parish registers for Kewstoke Parish Church I can see that three children were christened on the same day 3rd March 1805 all children of William & Susannah BADMAN Elizabeth BADMAN born 28th Dec 1797 Mary BADMAN born 9th Aug 1800 Ann Light BADMAN born 20 Sept 1801 There are several earlier christenings for this couple Interestingly a William BADMAN (of Kewstoke) married a Mary LIGHT in St John's Weston-super-Mare 27th Aug 1759 AND a William BADMAN (of Kewstoke) married a Susan LIGHT also in Weston 19th March 1783 William s/o William & Mary BADMAN was christened in Kewtoke 27th July 1761 Pat Weston-super-Mare & District FHS ----- Original Message ----- From: "T and J Barry" <tombarryamethyst@virginmedia.com> Subject: [ENG-SOM] The origins of Elizabeth Badman born ?Kewstoke I hope some kind soul can throw light on the origins of the following Elizabeth Badman. Elizabeth Badman married John Quick in May 1822 at St John the Baptist, Bristol.

Hi, on the A2A site there is an Edward Badman , yeoman of Kewstoke involved with a conveyance of lands in Kewstoke to Joseph Sheppard also of Kewstoke , 1726. This establishes the family in the village at least 70 years and probably 3 generations earlier than Elizabeth`s birth . John Quick is a farmer according to the census , so these are at the very least land tenanting families . Why choose Bristol to be married some 25 miles from Worle ? I have tried the Non-conformist registers indexes , and there are Badman and Quick there but nothing obviously relevant . There is a surrender of lands by Anthony Badman in 1791 in the Church Commissioers records but irritatingly it doesn`t give the parish referred to . On Genuki Somerset on the parish page of Kewstoke there are burials 1813-1855. These include Ann Badman bd 1851 of Worle aged 42, Ann aged 22 of St Paul`s Bristol, bd 1824 , Anthony , bd 1827 aged 73 of Wick St Lawrence , Edward bd 1847 aged 62 of Worle , Harry , bd 1817, aged 3 of Polton Hill, John bd 1823 aged 30 of Pole Hill, Milton , Mary bd aged 92 of Wick St Lawrence , Susannah bd 1813 aged 60 of Compton Martin , William bd 1821 of Compton Martin . So they are spread about a bit by this time though all buried at Kewstoke . However the Somerset and Dorset family history society have bapts for Worle St Martin , 1598-1845, Kewstoke St Paul 1667 - 1783 , and I would be inclined to get a search made in their records . They will also have marriages and burials for both parishes for similar periods I imagine . . Hope this helps . life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "T and J Barry" <tombarryamethyst@virginmedia.com> To: <ENG-SOMERSET-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 10:45 AM Subject: [ENG-SOM] The origins of Elizabeth Badman born ?Kewstoke I hope some kind soul can throw light on the origins of the following Elizabeth Badman. Elizabeth Badman married John Quick in May 1822 at St John the Baptist, Bristol. In the censuses, all at Worle, she became progressively younger: 1841 Elizabeth 45, John 50. 1851 Elizabeth 54, Kewstoke, John 63. 1861 Elizabeth widow 63, born Dundry. This was an enumerator error. It was Elizabeth Barnes 24, listed as her niece, who was actually born in Dundry though listed in the census as born Kewstoke. See note below. 1871 Elizabeth 72, Kewstoke. 18 Sep 1874, Elizabeth, burial St Martin Worle. Until very recently I was satisfied that our Elizabeth was the Elizabeth Badman who was baptised at St Paul Kewstoke 24 Feb 1796, one of six children of Anthony and Elizabeth, Betty or Betsy Badman but now I have discovered in FreeReg a record of the burial at Kewstoke of Eliza daughter of Anthony and Elizabeth Badman 27 Nov 1796. There is no sign of the baptism of a likely Eliza Badman in Kewstoke, so this is a very strong indication that Eliza was the Elizabeth baptised earlier in February 1796. I checked for other Elizabeth Badmans preferably born Kewstoke between about 1795 and 1798. I found the following using FreeReg,: Elizabeth, baptised: Kewstoke, 3 Mar, 1805 daughter of William and Susannah. This birth date seems too late. Elizabeth, baptised: Bleadon, ? Jan 1797 daughter of Wiliam and Ann, At first sight this Elizabeth looks the most likely but a William and Ann were recorded as parents of altogether 6 children baptised at Bleadon at regular intervals between 1794 and 1808.It seems likely that this family lived in Bleadon and that our Elizabeth would have remembered Bleadon as her birthplace if she lived there at least until 1808. Eliza: baptised, Banwell, 03May1801, daughter of James and Sarah. I have not found any other baptisms near Kewstoke of children of James and Sarah. Another Elizabeth Badman was buried in Kewstoke 04 Oct 1797 but, as neither her age nor parentage was listed, she was probably not young. As a point of interest: Elizabeth Hasell Barnes, age 24 in the 1861 census, had been employed as a nurse/nanny for Thomas Quintin Quick born 1851, a grandson of Elizabeth née Badman. Elizabeth Barnes declared her intention of marrying the infant Thomas and indeed did so in Jan 1872, when she was 35 and he was 21. Thomas Quintin’s elder brother was Edward Badman Quick which tends to confirm his grandmother’s maiden name as Badman. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In the transcription of the Kewstoke Baptisms on the Weston-super-Mare & District FHS (available for members) www.wsmfhs.org.uk I found this entry D/P KEW 2/1/3 03-Mar 1805 Elizabeth (b28 Dec 1797) Badman dau William & Susannah This does seem to answer your query Checking back on FreeREG the date of birth is also given there although here it is the 25th Dec 1797. One of the transcriptions has an error but "3", "5" and "8" are notoriously difficult to transcribe. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "T and J Barry" <tombarryamethyst@virginmedia.com> I hope some kind soul can throw light on the origins of the following Elizabeth Badman.

I hope some kind soul can throw light on the origins of the following Elizabeth Badman. Elizabeth Badman married John Quick in May 1822 at St John the Baptist, Bristol. In the censuses, all at Worle, she became progressively younger: 1841 Elizabeth 45, John 50. 1851 Elizabeth 54, Kewstoke, John 63. 1861 Elizabeth widow 63, born Dundry. This was an enumerator error. It was Elizabeth Barnes 24, listed as her niece, who was actually born in Dundry though listed in the census as born Kewstoke. See note below. 1871 Elizabeth 72, Kewstoke. 18 Sep 1874, Elizabeth, burial St Martin Worle. Until very recently I was satisfied that our Elizabeth was the Elizabeth Badman who was baptised at St Paul Kewstoke 24 Feb 1796, one of six children of Anthony and Elizabeth, Betty or Betsy Badman but now I have discovered in FreeReg a record of the burial at Kewstoke of Eliza daughter of Anthony and Elizabeth Badman 27 Nov 1796. There is no sign of the baptism of a likely Eliza Badman in Kewstoke, so this is a very strong indication that Eliza was the Elizabeth baptised earlier in February 1796. I checked for other Elizabeth Badmans preferably born Kewstoke between about 1795 and 1798. I found the following using FreeReg,: Elizabeth, baptised: Kewstoke, 3 Mar, 1805 daughter of William and Susannah. This birth date seems too late. Elizabeth, baptised: Bleadon, ? Jan 1797 daughter of Wiliam and Ann, At first sight this Elizabeth looks the most likely but a William and Ann were recorded as parents of altogether 6 children baptised at Bleadon at regular intervals between 1794 and 1808.It seems likely that this family lived in Bleadon and that our Elizabeth would have remembered Bleadon as her birthplace if she lived there at least until 1808. Eliza: baptised, Banwell, 03May1801, daughter of James and Sarah. I have not found any other baptisms near Kewstoke of children of James and Sarah. Another Elizabeth Badman was buried in Kewstoke 04 Oct 1797 but, as neither her age nor parentage was listed, she was probably not young. As a point of interest: Elizabeth Hasell Barnes, age 24 in the 1861 census, had been employed as a nurse/nanny for Thomas Quintin Quick born 1851, a grandson of Elizabeth née Badman. Elizabeth Barnes declared her intention of marrying the infant Thomas and indeed did so in Jan 1872, when she was 35 and he was 21. Thomas Quintin’s elder brother was Edward Badman Quick which tends to confirm his grandmother’s maiden name as Badman.