Thanks very much to those who replied on this subject, some very helpful info and pointers. Best wishes, Jon

Hi Jon Why do you think Clark bought out Crocker? I looked in 1841 census for Crocker in Street but could not see any. Some info on Clark's shoes says that it was started in 1825 by Cyrus and/or James Clark who had been in tanning business with Arthur Clothier (born 1790) . Arthur Clothier is in the 1851 census, in Street. Sheila ======================================== Message Received: Dec 21 2013, 03:10 PM From: "Jon" To: eng-somerset@rootsweb.com Cc: Subject: [ENG-SOM] CLARK & CROCKER shoemakers Hi everyone, Does anyone know when Clark’s bought out Crocker’s please? I’ve been Googling for info but haven’t managed to find any info as yet. Any help would be gratefully appreciated. Best wishes to all, Jon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Lindsay For what it is worth you can see Springfield Road on Google Maps it only seems to be numbered up to about twenty. One side has fairly old cottages but the other has newer developments. Unfortunately not found Avon Villa which is also not found by 192.com or post code finder. Not sure whether Bristol Record office or Taunton would have anything, it's worth asking them Cheers Howard -----Original Message----- From: Lindsay Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 11:15 PM To: eng-somerset@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-SOM] Pill Hi, does anyone have any old street pictures of Pill, Somerset in particular Avon Villa Springfield Rd (number 61 I think ) or know where I can find some please. Thanks Lindsay ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jon, Have you tried e-mailing archives@clarks.com they might be able to help, though they're probably all on holiday now until the New Year. Margaret >________________________________ > From: Jon <berksmon@outlook.com> >To: eng-somerset@rootsweb.com >Sent: Saturday, 21 December 2013, 15:09 >Subject: [ENG-SOM] CLARK & CROCKER shoemakers > > >Hi everyone, >Does anyone know when Clark’s bought out Crocker’s please? I’ve been Googling for info but haven’t managed to find any info as yet. Any help would be gratefully appreciated. >Best wishes to all, >Jon > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

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Hello Elizabeth, I have checked many of the parish's of Somerset available on line with considerable luck, thank you for taking your time in this regard. Yours Mike Spooner. On Saturday, December 21, 2013 10:12:48 AM, elizabeth howard <elizgh@btinternet.com> wrote:                     Hi ,  a good many Somerset parish registers are transcribed and are available online on genuki/somerset under each parish .. I didn`t find any trace of Isaac or Ann in Dunster except their marriage in 1783. life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Micheal Spooner" <mspooner@rogers.com> To: <ENG-SOMERSET@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 9:22 PM Subject: [ENG-SOM] TAYLOR'S from Carhampton 1760 to Present,CANE'S from Luxborough 1800 to Present,ALEXANDER HILL family Dunster 1840 to present > Greetings my name is Michael Spooner living in snowy Ottawa, Canada. Have > been tracing above listed families for about ten years using the usual > formats for research that I know of with fair results, there are some gaps > and wish to fill same. My paternal family has been traced back to Isaac > Taylor B. Dunster 1758 and his wife Ann Yendle married 8th June 1783 at > Dunster. If you have any connection to above families and wish to share > your knowledge please drop a line maybe I can reciprocate. Hope this > introduction is within the protocol required. Thank You. Michael Spooner. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi , a good many Somerset parish registers are transcribed and are available online on genuki/somerset under each parish .. I didn`t find any trace of Isaac or Ann in Dunster except their marriage in 1783. life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Micheal Spooner" <mspooner@rogers.com> To: <ENG-SOMERSET@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 9:22 PM Subject: [ENG-SOM] TAYLOR'S from Carhampton 1760 to Present,CANE'S from Luxborough 1800 to Present,ALEXANDER HILL family Dunster 1840 to present > Greetings my name is Michael Spooner living in snowy Ottawa, Canada. Have > been tracing above listed families for about ten years using the usual > formats for research that I know of with fair results, there are some gaps > and wish to fill same. My paternal family has been traced back to Isaac > Taylor B. Dunster 1758 and his wife Ann Yendle married 8th June 1783 at > Dunster. If you have any connection to above families and wish to share > your knowledge please drop a line maybe I can reciprocate. Hope this > introduction is within the protocol required. Thank You. Michael Spooner. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi everyone, Does anyone know when Clark’s bought out Crocker’s please? I’ve been Googling for info but haven’t managed to find any info as yet. Any help would be gratefully appreciated. Best wishes to all, Jon

Hi, does anyone have any old street pictures of Pill, Somerset in particular Avon Villa Springfield Rd (number 61 I think ) or know where I can find some please. Thanks Lindsay

Greetings my name is Michael Spooner living in snowy Ottawa, Canada. Have been tracing above listed families for about ten years using the usual formats for research that I know of with fair results, there are some gaps and wish to fill same. My paternal family has been traced back to Isaac Taylor B. Dunster 1758 and his wife Ann Yendle married 8th June 1783 at Dunster. If you have any connection to above families and wish to share your knowledge please drop a line maybe I can reciprocate. Hope this introduction is within the protocol required. Thank You. Michael Spooner.

Subject: re Sir George Williams of Dulverton Many of you will remember my previous message some time back (few years!) finding who Founded YMCA, a Somerset lad, George Williams of Dulverton. Born 1821 died 1905. Knighted by Queen Victoria in 1897. at St Paul's Cathedral in London, there is a Bust of Sir George, hope to visit London next year and see it! My reason for putting this on your site now, is that I managed to purchase a book here in New Zealand on Auckland YMCA, and it gives the history of the YMCA also photographs of George's parents and a photograph of the farm near Dulverton, Ashway Farm.. I would love to visit the town where he came from, put the icing on the cake so to say! The book is celebrating 150 years of YMCA (NZ) its called Body, Mind and Spirit. Founded in Auckland back in 1855, so YMCA would be young even back then, founded in London in 1844. George is buried at St Pauls, but in Westminster Abbey there is a wonderful stained glass window with YMCA, and about Soldiers, WW1. all worth visiting, I do have the photograph of the window, from Westminster Abbey Office, and permitted to use it with kind permission from Dean and Chapter, has this in the book as well.. the book is by Colin Taylor.. a fellow English person too, now a Kiwi.. Just looked at the map and seen where Dulverton is, not far from Porlock where I had my Honeymoon! Perhaps with historians working with the WW1 in 2014, will realise that YMCA were involved with the War and soldiers, like Scouts from England over on the Continent helping with Ambulances for the wounded soldiers.. I know over here in Featherston Military Camp, YMCA had an office for the soldiers to relax and write letters home, using YMCA notepaper, I have a few pages of this as well! One of our early settlers to New Zealand had been in London with YMCA and Hitchcock Williams in St Pauls Churchyard (it's a thoroughfare as well as a churchyard, know it very well being a Londoner!) I have learnt quite a bit since finding out about George Williams but this is so interesting finding out who started the movement.. the book is worth reading and seeing the photographs in it. I was wondering this week, why hadn't this message appeared on Somerset. Answer, incorrect address so doing it again, and writing full SOMERSET and not just Som. Compliments of the Season. Adele Clareville Taphophile.

Merry Christmas to you Tony, and all the people on this list. It is a pleasure to see so many willing helpers, and also the ones who do a lot of indexing, without you, some of us would come to a lot more brick walls. Thank you, and may you all have a Merry Christmas and safe and Happy New year, in which you go forward, be fruitful and multiply, [our Indexes !!!!]. Celebrate with lots of love and laughter, Cheers, Jan , in Sunny QLD.Australia

Merry Christmas to all from Virginia I'm still tracing LANGFORD and BURGESS ancestors from Frome. May we all be blessed with a Happy New Year. Sarah Langford Hardy

And a very Happy Christmas to you Tony, thank you for a great list. Margaret. -----Original Message----- From: eng-somerset-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-somerset-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tony Sent: Tuesday, 17 December 2013 10:10 PM To: Eng-Somerset@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-SOM] Christmas tiding to you all Tuesday, 17 December 2013 To all subscribers on this list; Please accept my Christmas Good wishes, and I hope that you have a fruitful new year in your research! -- Regards, Tony mailto:Tony@meighan.name List Administrator ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 17/12/2013 11:10, Tony wrote: > Tuesday, 17 December 2013 > > To all subscribers on this list; > Please accept my Christmas Good wishes, and I hope that you have a > fruitful new year in your research! And to you and yours, have an excellent Christmas and an even better New Year. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Tuesday, 17 December 2013 To all subscribers on this list; Please accept my Christmas Good wishes, and I hope that you have a fruitful new year in your research! -- Regards, Tony mailto:Tony@meighan.name List Administrator

I should have added a bit from the description. The 3rd part of half a 12th place contains 9 acres so it isn't really a small piece. Two others are a messuage or tenement and 18 acres. Another is 14 acres. I don't think the land was physically divided even though the ownership was shared by three different people. In many cases a house was involved and that wasn't physically divided. I don't know if the leaseholder had to negotiate with three different owners or how a lease was agreed on. It seems to be very complicated and I haven't gotten ahold of enough leases for the same time period to really make sense of it. I don't think "place" was a measurement because when it is divided into 1/3rds they say part (pt) whereas 12th place seems to be used like a name. I think the estate manager had a real job keeping track of all of this. Rodney Stoke was just a small part of the holdings of the Buckinghams and Bulkeleys. Donna At 12:00 AM 12/6/2013, you wrote: >this will describe a portion of land . A moiety >could be one third of the land, and to break that down into 12ths , or in >this case , one third of a 24th place so probably a very small piece of >land . It all depends on the original wording of the lease and who got what >and over how many lives or years or both . Think medieval strip farming >each field divided into small strips of land so that each person got >something .

Hi, this will describe a portion of land . A moiety could be one third of the land, and to break that down into 12ths , or in this case , one third of a 24th place so probably a very small piece of land . It all depends on the original wording of the lease and who got what and over how many lives or years or both . Think medieval strip farming each field divided into small strips of land so that each person got something . Probably someone will have a better explanation for you !!! life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Przecha" <donnaprz@sbcglobal.net> To: <ENG-SOMERSET@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 12:06 AM Subject: [ENG-SOM] Leases > In working with lists of leases for the Manor of Rodney Stoke, I have > run across a term I don't understand. One lease says "third part of > half a 12th place". Another says "a 12 place". Some have a th written > over the 12. Most of these references are to property in Draycott. > One says "M[eadow] & P[asture] being a 12th place in Draycot". > > Does anyone know the meaning of 12th place? > > Donna > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In working with lists of leases for the Manor of Rodney Stoke, I have run across a term I don't understand. One lease says "third part of half a 12th place". Another says "a 12 place". Some have a th written over the 12. Most of these references are to property in Draycott. One says "M[eadow] & P[asture] being a 12th place in Draycot". Does anyone know the meaning of 12th place? Donna

Thanks Martin Bob -----Original Message----- From: eng-somerset-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-somerset-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of eng-somerset-request@rootsweb.com Sent: 02 December 2013 08:01 To: eng-somerset@rootsweb.com Subject: ENG-SOMERSET Digest, Vol 8, Issue 172 Today's Topics: 1. Updated site (Martin Southwood) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 09:09:39 -0000 From: "Martin Southwood" <martinsouthwood@btinternet.com> Subject: [ENG-SOM] Updated site To: "eng-somerset@rootsweb.com" <ENG-SOMERSET@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <6CFC218A82074B0DA4E59495C00E5C30@martinncfvudmt> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Morning all, www.wsom.org.uk has been updated with Bishops Lydeard Baptisms and Marriages taken back to 1739 and a start made on Burials coming forward from 1739. (It was surprising how big a parish it was in those days, especially the number of Baptisms!). Cheers, Martin Southwood --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------ To contact the ENG-SOMERSET list administrator, send an email to ENG-SOMERSET-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the ENG-SOMERSET mailing list, send an email to ENG-SOMERSET@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of ENG-SOMERSET Digest, Vol 8, Issue 172 ********************************************