Bob: Using Somerset as the search term on the main Rootsweb mailing list site takes me to http://bigfile.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/listsearch . Most but all listings relate to Somerset, England. Good luck with your search. Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 From: SIL mail <bob_pittman@sil.org> Subject: Re: [ENG-SOM] ENG-SOMERSET Digest, Vol 9, Issue 87 I didn?t know that. Are there any for the Horsington or Wincanton areas? Blessings, Bob > On Oct 21, 2014, at 3:00 AM, eng-somerset-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >> Is this the right email address regarding correspondence on >> genealogy topics for Somerset? > Yes, though there are other lists covering more local areas within >the county.

Hi, I just read your email for perhaps the third time and am still confused by the families and names and dates and connection but you probably already have the Taunton newspaper of Wed 15th Aug 1838 which reports on a suicide , and John Hansford , watchmaker is a witness .........so at least one small detail is clear that he was in the Swan Inn at Ilminster on Thursday afternoon around 4.30 and bought back a watch he had previously sold to the deceased . I am sure that isn`t what you needed to know !!!! life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "T and J Barry via" <eng-somerset@rootsweb.com> To: <eng-somerset@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 4:15 PM Subject: [SPAM] [ENG-SOM] Descendants and ancestors of John Hansford and MarthaThick > Subject: Descendants and ancestors of John Hansford and Martha Thick > > > > Other names: Barry, Thick, Hallett, Standerly, Bath, Arnold, > Jones, Hill, Clay. > > > > John and Martha Hansford had 5 children all baptised at St Andrews Stoke > Trister near Wincanton Somerset. > > > > Martha Thick was baptised 02 Mar 1755 in Stoke Trister and buried there > 15 Mar 1841 age 85 having married John Hansford 15 Sep 1777. John may > have > been the baptised 20 Sep 1747 in nearby Charlton Musgrove, the son of > William and Margaret Hansford who had one other child, William baptised 06 > Mar 1744/45 in Wincanton. > > > > The children of John and Martha Hansford as baptised in St Trister were: > > Ann 20 Oct 1777 > > Thomas 15 Sep 1783 > > Sarah 13 Apr 1787 > > George 14 Jul 1793 > > Charles 19 Jun 1796 > > > > Thomas married Ann Arnold 19 Jul 1809 in Walcot St Mary. Ann died in > 1822, > shortly after the birth of their 7th child, only one of which (Ann see > below) survived into adulthood. Thomas married again to a Widow, Mary > Wilton née Jones. The affidavit to their marriage licence is informative; > it includes the baptisms of both partners. Thomas died age 67 on 21 Mar > 1850 at Barracks Farm (Lyncombe Widcombe) “esteemed and respected by all > who knew him" as reported by both Bath Chronicle & Cheltenham Gazette. > What > a pity he did not survive until the 1851 census. In his will (more below) > he left £10 to a “nephew” James Barry and each of 6 of James’ children > then > alive. Moreover, James gave the middle name Hansford to two of his sons > and in June 1841 his daughter Sarah age 3 was visiting Thomas and Mary > Hansford at Barracks Farm. Even, if not literally a nephew, James must > have > been closely connected to Thomas. > > > > George married a Mary Hallett in 29 Jul 1826 at Walcot St Swithin, also by > licence but with a much less detailed affidavit, declaring her a spinster. > Emma was baptised 14 Dec 1826 born at Cooper's Arms Claverton Street > Widcombe. There seems to have been no further child; George died either in > 1845q2 or 1948q4. > > > > I know nothing definite about Ann and Sarah Hansford and nothing at all > about Charles. > > In 1841 George 40 Inn keeper was living with Mary at 37 Claverton Street > Widcombe. > > In 1851 Mary, widow of George was still at 37 Claverton Street, Lyncombe > Widcombe, > > Hansford Mary, wid, 60 Lic. Victualler Warwickshire Wishir (Wishaw, a > small > village) with > > BATH Sarah Sister, 64 Assistant, u (unmarried), Warwickshire, Wishir. > > It is possible that Sarah Bath was neither unmarried nor sister of Mary > but > her sister in law, i.e. sister of George Hansford. Her birthplace may be > OK > but may have been wrongly added by the enumerator to match her supposed > sister. Her age 64 (bc. 1786-7) matches that of Sarah Hansford very well. > > > > Intriguingly, also in the 1851 census at Odcombe, near Yeovil, are listed. > > BARRY Ann, wid, 79, laundress, Warwickshire Wishea (must be Wishaw) > > BARRY William, son, 39 Odcombe, Som. > > Ann (condition not stated) was married on 1 Feb 1802 at Brympton to > William > Barry by banns, recorded as Ann Standerly in the Odcombe banns but wrongly > transcribed as Ann Handerly in the Brympton register. In the 1841 census > her age was listed as 60, i.e. 60-64, so she might have been the Ann > Hansford baptised in 1877. If so she must have married a Standerly. The > parish records of Wishaw are very hard to read but names similar to > Standerly do occur. > > > > The Bath & N E Somerset Record Office holds some property deeds that > concern Thomas Hansford between 1815 and 1822. When his third and fourth > children were baptised in 1815 and 1816 his occupation was listed as > postboy but in 1819 he was victualler and in 1822 publican. He may have > passed this occupation to George by the time he became a land owner at > Barracks Farm. I have no information on the whereabouts of James Barry > before 1830 when he married Martha Beaven in Marlborough Wilts and became > a > watch and clock maker. > > > > Thomas appointed his daughter Ann as executrix of his will and gave Ann > and > Gracious Cole (a farmer in Wellow) trustee status with substantial powers. > He provided a trust from which £50 per year would be paid to his widow > Mary. His daughter by his first marriage Ann Hansford married Joseph Hill > in Bath, 1850(q4); they had at least two sons each given the middle name > Hansford. In addition to his gifts to James Barry and his family. Thomas > also left £10 to Louisa Clay daughter of the late Robert Hansford. In the > 1841 census Robert was listed at 4 Cottage Place Walcot as 55 publican > with > Mary also 55 both born Somerset. Louisa Hansford married William Clay 11 > Aug 1831 at Bath St James. Robert Hansford was a witness. He may have been > born in Walditch near Bridport, Dorset. > > > > In order to resolve all the gaps in the evidence I would particularly like > to know what James Barry as well as Thomas Hansford and his siblings and > their spouses were doing between 1800 and 1830. It would be much better to > have facts rather than my hypotheses. > > > > > > Tom Barry > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I didn’t know that. Are there any for the Horsington or Wincanton areas? Blessings, Bob > On Oct 21, 2014, at 3:00 AM, eng-somerset-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > >> Is this the right email address regarding correspondence on >> genealogy topics for Somerset? > Yes, though there are other lists covering more local areas within the > county. > > Ian

Subject: Descendants and ancestors of John Hansford and Martha Thick Other names: Barry, Thick, Hallett, Standerly, Bath, Arnold, Jones, Hill, Clay. John and Martha Hansford had 5 children all baptised at St Andrews Stoke Trister near Wincanton Somerset. Martha Thick was baptised 02 Mar 1755 in Stoke Trister and buried there 15 Mar 1841 age 85 having married John Hansford 15 Sep 1777. John may have been the baptised 20 Sep 1747 in nearby Charlton Musgrove, the son of William and Margaret Hansford who had one other child, William baptised 06 Mar 1744/45 in Wincanton. The children of John and Martha Hansford as baptised in St Trister were: Ann 20 Oct 1777 Thomas 15 Sep 1783 Sarah 13 Apr 1787 George 14 Jul 1793 Charles 19 Jun 1796 Thomas married Ann Arnold 19 Jul 1809 in Walcot St Mary. Ann died in 1822, shortly after the birth of their 7th child, only one of which (Ann see below) survived into adulthood. Thomas married again to a Widow, Mary Wilton née Jones. The affidavit to their marriage licence is informative; it includes the baptisms of both partners. Thomas died age 67 on 21 Mar 1850 at Barracks Farm (Lyncombe Widcombe) “esteemed and respected by all who knew him" as reported by both Bath Chronicle & Cheltenham Gazette. What a pity he did not survive until the 1851 census. In his will (more below) he left £10 to a “nephew” James Barry and each of 6 of James’ children then alive. Moreover, James gave the middle name Hansford to two of his sons and in June 1841 his daughter Sarah age 3 was visiting Thomas and Mary Hansford at Barracks Farm. Even, if not literally a nephew, James must have been closely connected to Thomas. George married a Mary Hallett in 29 Jul 1826 at Walcot St Swithin, also by licence but with a much less detailed affidavit, declaring her a spinster. Emma was baptised 14 Dec 1826 born at Cooper's Arms Claverton Street Widcombe. There seems to have been no further child; George died either in 1845q2 or 1948q4. I know nothing definite about Ann and Sarah Hansford and nothing at all about Charles. In 1841 George 40 Inn keeper was living with Mary at 37 Claverton Street Widcombe. In 1851 Mary, widow of George was still at 37 Claverton Street, Lyncombe Widcombe, Hansford Mary, wid, 60 Lic. Victualler Warwickshire Wishir (Wishaw, a small village) with BATH Sarah Sister, 64 Assistant, u (unmarried), Warwickshire, Wishir. It is possible that Sarah Bath was neither unmarried nor sister of Mary but her sister in law, i.e. sister of George Hansford. Her birthplace may be OK but may have been wrongly added by the enumerator to match her supposed sister. Her age 64 (bc. 1786-7) matches that of Sarah Hansford very well. Intriguingly, also in the 1851 census at Odcombe, near Yeovil, are listed. BARRY Ann, wid, 79, laundress, Warwickshire Wishea (must be Wishaw) BARRY William, son, 39 Odcombe, Som. Ann (condition not stated) was married on 1 Feb 1802 at Brympton to William Barry by banns, recorded as Ann Standerly in the Odcombe banns but wrongly transcribed as Ann Handerly in the Brympton register. In the 1841 census her age was listed as 60, i.e. 60-64, so she might have been the Ann Hansford baptised in 1877. If so she must have married a Standerly. The parish records of Wishaw are very hard to read but names similar to Standerly do occur. The Bath & N E Somerset Record Office holds some property deeds that concern Thomas Hansford between 1815 and 1822. When his third and fourth children were baptised in 1815 and 1816 his occupation was listed as postboy but in 1819 he was victualler and in 1822 publican. He may have passed this occupation to George by the time he became a land owner at Barracks Farm. I have no information on the whereabouts of James Barry before 1830 when he married Martha Beaven in Marlborough Wilts and became a watch and clock maker. Thomas appointed his daughter Ann as executrix of his will and gave Ann and Gracious Cole (a farmer in Wellow) trustee status with substantial powers. He provided a trust from which £50 per year would be paid to his widow Mary. His daughter by his first marriage Ann Hansford married Joseph Hill in Bath, 1850(q4); they had at least two sons each given the middle name Hansford. In addition to his gifts to James Barry and his family. Thomas also left £10 to Louisa Clay daughter of the late Robert Hansford. In the 1841 census Robert was listed at 4 Cottage Place Walcot as 55 publican with Mary also 55 both born Somerset. Louisa Hansford married William Clay 11 Aug 1831 at Bath St James. Robert Hansford was a witness. He may have been born in Walditch near Bridport, Dorset. In order to resolve all the gaps in the evidence I would particularly like to know what James Barry as well as Thomas Hansford and his siblings and their spouses were doing between 1800 and 1830. It would be much better to have facts rather than my hypotheses. Tom Barry

Hello Eveline I'm sorry, the only Thomas I have was born in 1836, son of John Windsor. He was a thatcher as were all the other Windsors. My wife's mother was a Windsor but research in Somerset is difficult as it is a long way from Essex and the LDS failed to include Queen Camel in their indexing project. Ron On 21/10/2014 13:44, A CLARKE via wrote: > Hi Ron > > This is somewhat off your request, but I am researching the Bennett family of West Camel for a cousin and on 16th January 1841 Thomas Windsor married Mary Bennett at West Camel, his father was listed as Thomas Windsor. > > I have the 1851 census which states that Thomas was born c 1814 at Queens Camel and that he was a Thatcher, with Mary his wife and 4 children. I couldn't find either of them in following censuses, but found a burial for a Thomas Windsor aged 38 at West Camel 25th November 1851. > > I have not managed to find anything else about the Windsors and wondered if these two Thomases were on your tree. > > Regards > > Eveline > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Cowell via" <eng-somerset@rootsweb.com> > To: <ENG-SOMERSET@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 4:20 PM > Subject: [SPAM] [ENG-SOM] Richard WINDSOR and Milliar WILLIS > > >> hello >> >> This is my first message to this mailing list. My interest is in the >> WINDSOR family of Queen Camel who were my wife's ancestors. >> >> According to the Somerset Marriage Index as found on Findmypast the >> marriage of Richard WINDSOR and Milliar WILLIS took place on 30 Mar 1785 >> at Queen Camel. I sent a request to the LDS for a scan of the relevant >> page of the register and what I received was a page showing the >> publishing of the banns in Nov 1784. Is it OK for a marriage to take >> place some five months after the publishing of the banns and can someone >> with access to the registers confirm that the marriage did actually >> occur on 30 Mar 1785? >> >> Thank you >> Ron Cowell >> >> --- >> This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus >> protection is active. >> http://www.avast.com >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

hello Sarah Thank you for this confirmation. I wonder why the LDS didn't find it. Was it where you expected to find it or was it out of place in the register? Ron On 21/10/2014 17:53, Woolly01 wrote: > Dear Ron, > > Was in Archives today, so popped round to the search room and found > your entry. > > Queen Camel > > Entry No. 7 > > Richard Windsor and Milliar Willis both of this Parish > > Church by Banns > > 30 March 1785 > > Thomas Pearson - Minister > > Signed: Richard Windsor [he signed his name] and the Mark of Milliar > Willis > > Witness: John Morris [possibly a Churchwarden as he signed quite a > few marriage certs] > Jacob Frost > > > Ill be in Archives next Tuesday, so if there is anything else you need > let me know. > > Sarah Baddeley > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron Cowell via <eng-somerset@rootsweb.com> > To: ENG-SOMERSET <ENG-SOMERSET@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 16:23 > Subject: [ENG-SOM] Richard WINDSOR and Milliar WILLIS > > hello > > This is my first message to this mailing list. My interest is in the > WINDSOR family of Queen Camel who were my wife's ancestors. > > According to the Somerset Marriage Index as found on Findmypast the > marriage of Richard WINDSOR and Milliar WILLIS took place on 30 Mar 1785 > at Queen Camel. I sent a request to the LDS for a scan of the relevant > page of the register and what I received was a page showing the > publishing of the banns in Nov 1784. Is it OK for a marriage to take > place some five months after the publishing of the banns and can someone > with access to the registers confirm that the marriage did actually > occur on 30 Mar 1785? > > Thank you > Ron Cowell > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection > is active. > http://www.avast.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email toENG-SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com <mailto:ENG-SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com> > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Thank you Martin & Lesley. Bob -----Original Message----- From: eng-somerset-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-somerset-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of eng-somerset-request@rootsweb.com Sent: 25 October 2014 08:00 To: eng-somerset@rootsweb.com Subject: ENG-SOMERSET Digest, Vol 9, Issue 91 Today's Topics: 1. Update web site (Martin Southwood) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 17:29:16 +0100 From: "Martin Southwood" <martinsouthwood@btinternet.com> Subject: [ENG-SOM] Update web site To: "eng-somerset@rootsweb.com" <ENG-SOMERSET@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <B41224DEE1B94EBFBB7BD2C927E7B41B@martinncfvudmt> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Afternoon all, www.wsom.org.uk has just been updated with Marriages at St. Decumans, (Watchet), for 1603 to 1679, thanks to Lesley Morgan being able to read the ancient writing, (I cant!). I've only just noticed that produces a gap from 1679 to 1704 so we shall have to remedy that. Cheers, Martin Southwood --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------ To contact the ENG-SOMERSET list administrator, send an email to ENG-SOMERSET-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the ENG-SOMERSET mailing list, send an email to ENG-SOMERSET@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of ENG-SOMERSET Digest, Vol 9, Issue 91 *******************************************

Afternoon all, www.wsom.org.uk has just been updated with Marriages at St. Decumans, (Watchet), for 1603 to 1679, thanks to Lesley Morgan being able to read the ancient writing, (I cant!). I've only just noticed that produces a gap from 1679 to 1704 so we shall have to remedy that. Cheers, Martin Southwood --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Dear Sarah, Thank you SO much for looking up my grandfather in the Methodist Records and confirming that he was actually living in Street in 1914. I have acquired a picture of the Wesleyan Church in Street and it looks as though, as a fairly newly ordained Wesleyan Minister, he was placed at a large and rather beautiful church. Thank you again Sarah for obtaining all that information on the circuits too! It's lovely to have so much detail! Happy Hunting! Good luck and very best wishes to you! Sarah in Northumberland.

On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 13:17:16 -0400 Woolly01 via <eng-somerset@rootsweb.com> wrote: Hello Woolly01, >Ive attached a Attachments get scrubbed. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" A friend of a friend he got beaten I Predict A Riot - Kaiser Chiefs

Hi Ron This is somewhat off your request, but I am researching the Bennett family of West Camel for a cousin and on 16th January 1841 Thomas Windsor married Mary Bennett at West Camel, his father was listed as Thomas Windsor. I have the 1851 census which states that Thomas was born c 1814 at Queens Camel and that he was a Thatcher, with Mary his wife and 4 children. I couldn't find either of them in following censuses, but found a burial for a Thomas Windsor aged 38 at West Camel 25th November 1851. I have not managed to find anything else about the Windsors and wondered if these two Thomases were on your tree. Regards Eveline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Cowell via" <eng-somerset@rootsweb.com> To: <ENG-SOMERSET@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 4:20 PM Subject: [SPAM] [ENG-SOM] Richard WINDSOR and Milliar WILLIS > hello > > This is my first message to this mailing list. My interest is in the > WINDSOR family of Queen Camel who were my wife's ancestors. > > According to the Somerset Marriage Index as found on Findmypast the > marriage of Richard WINDSOR and Milliar WILLIS took place on 30 Mar 1785 > at Queen Camel. I sent a request to the LDS for a scan of the relevant > page of the register and what I received was a page showing the > publishing of the banns in Nov 1784. Is it OK for a marriage to take > place some five months after the publishing of the banns and can someone > with access to the registers confirm that the marriage did actually > occur on 30 Mar 1785? > > Thank you > Ron Cowell > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Sarah, Ive attached a file listing what I managed to find in Archives today. Doesnt really add a lot except it shows when he was actually working in Street and the various churches in the area. Cheers Sarah -----Original Message----- From: CHRIS REAY via <eng-somerset@rootsweb.com> To: Steve <steveshistory2@yahoo.co.uk>; eng-somerset <eng-somerset@rootsweb.com> Sent: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 20:04 Subject: Re: [ENG-SOM] Rev. Herbert Butler Cowl Hi Steve, Thank you for your message. I think that I have exhausted the local history section but thank you anyway. Street comes under Glastonbury in some respects but otherwise it's back to the Somerset Archives. Thanks again Steve! Kind regards, Sarah. On 17 October 2014 09:10, Steve via <eng-somerset@rootsweb.com> wrote: > For my various ancestors, spread around the country, I have found the > local history sections of the relevant libraries to be helpful. > > I would do a search through Google for Street Somerset Local History which > will, in addition to the library service give additional information. > > Mind you, I think that, administratively, Street is not a major place so > you may have to look to a larger library. > > All the best > Steve > > > > On 16/10/2014 22:25, CHRIS REAY via wrote: > > Hello Elizabeth, > > > > Thank you for your message. > > > > I have made several visits to the John Rylands Library in Manchester and > > yes this is a great place to go for any Methodist records. > Unfortunately, > > they don't seem to have very much on Street. I'm not sure what I am > > looking for, but I was hoping that there would be some records or some > > information 'locally' on Street and / or the Wesleyan Church at that time > > in 1914. As for the Army Chaplain's Dept., there is not much that has > > survived but as I understand it, Kew do not hold any records on Army > > Chaplaincy. > > > > Rev. Frederick Bond COWL was Rev. Herbert Butler Cowl's father. Herbert > is > > not on that list because he died later in 1971. The list date was > cut-off > > earlier than this date. > > > > If you have any other thoughts on Street and my grandfather in 1914, > please > > do come back to me. THANK YOU! > > > > Kind regards and best wishes, Sarah. > > > > > > > > On 16 October 2014 16:27, elizabeth howard <elizgh@btinternet.com> > wrote: > > > >> Hi, there are two potential sources of information > apart > >> from local newspapers as yet undigitised , which are the Army Chaplains > >> dept which will be at the National Archives in Kew, and the Wesleyan > >> Methodist archives in the John Rylands Library in the Uni of > >> Manchester.............they have a complicated onlinie catalogue but > >> although there is a Rev Frederick B Cowl , d 1937, I could find no > trace > >> of Herbert. It doesn`t mean he isn`t there of course. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "CHRIS REAY via" < > >> eng-somerset@rootsweb.com> > >> To: <ENG-SOMERSET@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 9:39 AM > >> Subject: [SPAM] [ENG-SOM] New to the list & Rev. Herbert Butler Cowl > query? > >> > >> > >> Hello List, > >>> I have recently signed on to this list in the hope of gaining and > sharing > >>> knowledge. > >>> > >>> My query this morning relates to Street in Somerset. In the summer of > >>> 1914, my grandfather, Rev. Herbert Butler COWL moved to Street and > became > >>> the local Wesleyan Methodist Minister. Then with the onset of the war, > >>> Herbert volunteered to become an Army Chaplain. He was accepted into > the > >>> Royal Army Chaplain's Department and began life as an Army Chaplain on > >>> Christmas Eve 1914 and he left Street for Bordon Camp. > >>> > >>> So, my query is that I wonder if anyone on this list knows anything > about > >>> my grandfather's time at Street? I have looked at local newspapers and > >>> found very little. I wonder if someone knows something about my > >>> grandfather or the Wesleyan Church in Street in 1914? > >>> > >>> I am researching and writing a book on the war experiences of my > >>> grandfather, 'The Half Shilling Curate'. He was one of the first > >>> Chaplains > >>> to be awarded the Military Cross for Gallantry. > >>> > >>> I shall look forward to hearing from you! Fingers crossed. > >>> > >>> Kind regards, Sarah in Northumberland. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ps. I have subscribed to the Rootsweb Street list but no response as > yet. > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> ENG-SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >>> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > . > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Ron, Was in Archives today, so popped round to the search room and found your entry. Queen Camel Entry No. 7 Richard Windsor and Milliar Willis both of this Parish Church by Banns 30 March 1785 Thomas Pearson - Minister Signed: Richard Windsor [he signed his name] and the Mark of Milliar Willis Witness: John Morris [possibly a Churchwarden as he signed quite a few marriage certs] Jacob Frost Ill be in Archives next Tuesday, so if there is anything else you need let me know. Sarah Baddeley -----Original Message----- From: Ron Cowell via <eng-somerset@rootsweb.com> To: ENG-SOMERSET <ENG-SOMERSET@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 16:23 Subject: [ENG-SOM] Richard WINDSOR and Milliar WILLIS hello This is my first message to this mailing list. My interest is in the WINDSOR family of Queen Camel who were my wife's ancestors. According to the Somerset Marriage Index as found on Findmypast the marriage of Richard WINDSOR and Milliar WILLIS took place on 30 Mar 1785 at Queen Camel. I sent a request to the LDS for a scan of the relevant page of the register and what I received was a page showing the publishing of the banns in Nov 1784. Is it OK for a marriage to take place some five months after the publishing of the banns and can someone with access to the registers confirm that the marriage did actually occur on 30 Mar 1785? Thank you Ron Cowell --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, the best thing to do is to write to the Somerset Record Office and ask for a copy of both the banns and the marriage from the original registers. FMP and the other sites are good but you need to see the original . life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Cowell via" <eng-somerset@rootsweb.com> To: <ENG-SOMERSET@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 4:20 PM Subject: [SPAM] [ENG-SOM] Richard WINDSOR and Milliar WILLIS > hello > > This is my first message to this mailing list. My interest is in the > WINDSOR family of Queen Camel who were my wife's ancestors. > > According to the Somerset Marriage Index as found on Findmypast the > marriage of Richard WINDSOR and Milliar WILLIS took place on 30 Mar 1785 > at Queen Camel. I sent a request to the LDS for a scan of the relevant > page of the register and what I received was a page showing the > publishing of the banns in Nov 1784. Is it OK for a marriage to take > place some five months after the publishing of the banns and can someone > with access to the registers confirm that the marriage did actually > occur on 30 Mar 1785? > > Thank you > Ron Cowell > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Descendants and ancestors of John Hansford and Martha Thick Other names: Barry, Thick, Hallett, Standerly, Bath, Arnold, Jones, Hill, Clay. John and Martha Hansford had 5 children all baptised at St Andrews Stoke Trister near Wincanton Somerset. Martha Thick was baptised 02 Mar 1755 in Stoke Trister, buried there 15 Mar 1841 age 85 having married John Hansford 15 Sep 1777. John may have been the baptised 20 Sep 1747 in nearby Charlton Musgrove, the son of William and Margaret Hansford who had one other child, William baptised 06 Mar 1744/45 in Wincanton. The children of John and Martha Hansford as baptised in St Trister were: Ann 20 Oct 1777 Thomas 15 Sep 1783 Sarah 13 Apr 1787 George 14 Jul 1793 Charles 19 Jun 1796 Thomas married Ann Arnold 19 Jul 1809 in Walcot St Mary. Ann died in 1822, shortly after the birth of their 7th child, only one of which (Ann see below) survived into adulthood. Thomas married again to a Widow, Mary Wilton née Jones. The affidavit to their marriage licence is informative. Thomas died age 67 on 21 Mar 1850 at Barracks Farm (Lyncombe Widcombe) “esteemed and respected by all who knew him" as reported by both Bath Chronicle & Cheltenham Gazette. What a pity he did not survive until the 1851 census. In his will (more below) he left £10 to a “nephew” James Barry and each of 6 of James’ children then alive. Moreover, James gave the middle name Hansford to two of his sons and in June 1841 his daughter Sarah age 3 was visiting Thomas and Mary Hansford at Barracks Farm. Even, if not literally a nephew, James must have been closely connected to Thomas. George married a Mary Hallett in 29 Jul 1826 at Walcot St Swithin, also by licence but with a much less detailed affidavit, declaring her a spinster. Emma was baptised 14 Dec 1826 born at Cooper's Arms Claverton Street Widcombe. There seems to have been no further child; George died either in 1845q2 or 1948q4. I know nothing definite about Ann and Sarah Hansford and nothing at all about Charles. In 1841 George 40 Inn keeper was living with Mary at 37 Claverton Street Widcombe. In 1851 Mary, widow of George was still at 37 Claverton Street, Lyncombe Widcombe, Hansford Mary, wid, 60 Lic. Victualler Warwickshire Wishir (Wishaw, a small village) with BATH Sarah Sister, 64 Assistant, u (unmarried), Warwickshire, Wishir. It is possible that Sarah Bath was neither unmarried nor sister of Mary but her sister in law, i.e. sister of George Hansford. Her birthplace may have been wrongly added by the enumerator to match her supposed sister. Her age 64 (bc. 1786-7) matches that of Sarah Hansford very well. Intriguingly, also in the 1851 census at Odcombe, near Yeovil, are listed. BARRY Ann, wid, 79, laundress, Warwickshire Wishea (must be Wishaw) BARRY William, son, 39 Odcombe, Som. Ann (condition not stated) was married on 1 Feb 1802 at Brympton to William Barry by banns, recorded as Ann Standerly in the Odcombe banns but wrongly transcribed as Ann Handerly in the Brympton register. In the 1841 census her age was listed as 60, i.e. 60-64, so she might have been the Ann Hansford baptised in 1877. If so she must have married a Standerly. The parish records of Wishaw are very hard to read but names similar to Standerly do occur. The Bath & N E Somerset Record Office holds some property deeds that concern Thomas Hansford between 1815 and 1822. When his third and fourth children were baptised in 1815 and 1816 his occupation was listed as postboy but in 1819 he was victualler and in 1822 publican. He may have passed this occupation to George by the time he became a land owner at Barracks Farm. I have no information on the whereabouts of James Barry before 1830 when he married Martha Beaven in Marlborough Wilts and became a watch and clock maker. Thomas appointed his daughter Ann as executrix of his will and gave Ann and Gracious Cole (a farmer in Wellow) trustee status with substantial powers. He provided a trust from which £50 per year would be paid to his widow Mary. Ann Hansford married Joseph Hill in Bath, 1850(q4); they had at least two sons each given the middle name Hansford. In addition to his gifts to James Barry and his family, Thomas also left £10 to Louisa Clay daughter of the late Robert Hansford. In the 1841 census Robert was listed at 4 Cottage Place Walcot as 55 publican with Ann also 55 both born Somerset. Louisa Hansford married William Clay 11 Aug 1831 at Bath St James. Robert Hansford was a witness. He may have been born in Walditch near Bridport, Dorset. In order to resolve all the gaps in the evidence I would particularly like to know what James Barry as well as Thomas Hansford and his siblings and their spouses were doing between 1800 and 1830. It would be much better to have facts rather than my hypotheses. Tom Barry

hello This is my first message to this mailing list. My interest is in the WINDSOR family of Queen Camel who were my wife's ancestors. According to the Somerset Marriage Index as found on Findmypast the marriage of Richard WINDSOR and Milliar WILLIS took place on 30 Mar 1785 at Queen Camel. I sent a request to the LDS for a scan of the relevant page of the register and what I received was a page showing the publishing of the banns in Nov 1784. Is it OK for a marriage to take place some five months after the publishing of the banns and can someone with access to the registers confirm that the marriage did actually occur on 30 Mar 1785? Thank you Ron Cowell --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

>Is this the right email address regarding correspondence on >genealogy topics for Somerset? Yes, though there are other lists covering more local areas within the county. Ian

Is this the right email address regarding correspondence on genealogy topics for Somerset? Tom Barry

Hi Steve, Thank you for your message. I think that I have exhausted the local history section but thank you anyway. Street comes under Glastonbury in some respects but otherwise it's back to the Somerset Archives. Thanks again Steve! Kind regards, Sarah. On 17 October 2014 09:10, Steve via <eng-somerset@rootsweb.com> wrote: > For my various ancestors, spread around the country, I have found the > local history sections of the relevant libraries to be helpful. > > I would do a search through Google for Street Somerset Local History which > will, in addition to the library service give additional information. > > Mind you, I think that, administratively, Street is not a major place so > you may have to look to a larger library. > > All the best > Steve > > > > On 16/10/2014 22:25, CHRIS REAY via wrote: > > Hello Elizabeth, > > > > Thank you for your message. > > > > I have made several visits to the John Rylands Library in Manchester and > > yes this is a great place to go for any Methodist records. > Unfortunately, > > they don't seem to have very much on Street. I'm not sure what I am > > looking for, but I was hoping that there would be some records or some > > information 'locally' on Street and / or the Wesleyan Church at that time > > in 1914. As for the Army Chaplain's Dept., there is not much that has > > survived but as I understand it, Kew do not hold any records on Army > > Chaplaincy. > > > > Rev. Frederick Bond COWL was Rev. Herbert Butler Cowl's father. Herbert > is > > not on that list because he died later in 1971. The list date was > cut-off > > earlier than this date. > > > > If you have any other thoughts on Street and my grandfather in 1914, > please > > do come back to me. THANK YOU! > > > > Kind regards and best wishes, Sarah. > > > > > > > > On 16 October 2014 16:27, elizabeth howard <elizgh@btinternet.com> > wrote: > > > >> Hi, there are two potential sources of information > apart > >> from local newspapers as yet undigitised , which are the Army Chaplains > >> dept which will be at the National Archives in Kew, and the Wesleyan > >> Methodist archives in the John Rylands Library in the Uni of > >> Manchester.............they have a complicated onlinie catalogue but > >> although there is a Rev Frederick B Cowl , d 1937, I could find no > trace > >> of Herbert. It doesn`t mean he isn`t there of course. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "CHRIS REAY via" < > >> eng-somerset@rootsweb.com> > >> To: <ENG-SOMERSET@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 9:39 AM > >> Subject: [SPAM] [ENG-SOM] New to the list & Rev. Herbert Butler Cowl > query? > >> > >> > >> Hello List, > >>> I have recently signed on to this list in the hope of gaining and > sharing > >>> knowledge. > >>> > >>> My query this morning relates to Street in Somerset. In the summer of > >>> 1914, my grandfather, Rev. Herbert Butler COWL moved to Street and > became > >>> the local Wesleyan Methodist Minister. Then with the onset of the war, > >>> Herbert volunteered to become an Army Chaplain. He was accepted into > the > >>> Royal Army Chaplain's Department and began life as an Army Chaplain on > >>> Christmas Eve 1914 and he left Street for Bordon Camp. > >>> > >>> So, my query is that I wonder if anyone on this list knows anything > about > >>> my grandfather's time at Street? I have looked at local newspapers and > >>> found very little. I wonder if someone knows something about my > >>> grandfather or the Wesleyan Church in Street in 1914? > >>> > >>> I am researching and writing a book on the war experiences of my > >>> grandfather, 'The Half Shilling Curate'. He was one of the first > >>> Chaplains > >>> to be awarded the Military Cross for Gallantry. > >>> > >>> I shall look forward to hearing from you! Fingers crossed. > >>> > >>> Kind regards, Sarah in Northumberland. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ps. I have subscribed to the Rootsweb Street list but no response as > yet. > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> ENG-SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >>> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > . > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

For my various ancestors, spread around the country, I have found the local history sections of the relevant libraries to be helpful. I would do a search through Google for Street Somerset Local History which will, in addition to the library service give additional information. Mind you, I think that, administratively, Street is not a major place so you may have to look to a larger library. All the best Steve On 16/10/2014 22:25, CHRIS REAY via wrote: > Hello Elizabeth, > > Thank you for your message. > > I have made several visits to the John Rylands Library in Manchester and > yes this is a great place to go for any Methodist records. Unfortunately, > they don't seem to have very much on Street. I'm not sure what I am > looking for, but I was hoping that there would be some records or some > information 'locally' on Street and / or the Wesleyan Church at that time > in 1914. As for the Army Chaplain's Dept., there is not much that has > survived but as I understand it, Kew do not hold any records on Army > Chaplaincy. > > Rev. Frederick Bond COWL was Rev. Herbert Butler Cowl's father. Herbert is > not on that list because he died later in 1971. The list date was cut-off > earlier than this date. > > If you have any other thoughts on Street and my grandfather in 1914, please > do come back to me. THANK YOU! > > Kind regards and best wishes, Sarah. > > > > On 16 October 2014 16:27, elizabeth howard <elizgh@btinternet.com> wrote: > >> Hi, there are two potential sources of information apart >> from local newspapers as yet undigitised , which are the Army Chaplains >> dept which will be at the National Archives in Kew, and the Wesleyan >> Methodist archives in the John Rylands Library in the Uni of >> Manchester.............they have a complicated onlinie catalogue but >> although there is a Rev Frederick B Cowl , d 1937, I could find no trace >> of Herbert. It doesn`t mean he isn`t there of course. >> >> >> >> >> life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "CHRIS REAY via" < >> eng-somerset@rootsweb.com> >> To: <ENG-SOMERSET@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 9:39 AM >> Subject: [SPAM] [ENG-SOM] New to the list & Rev. Herbert Butler Cowl query? >> >> >> Hello List, >>> I have recently signed on to this list in the hope of gaining and sharing >>> knowledge. >>> >>> My query this morning relates to Street in Somerset. In the summer of >>> 1914, my grandfather, Rev. Herbert Butler COWL moved to Street and became >>> the local Wesleyan Methodist Minister. Then with the onset of the war, >>> Herbert volunteered to become an Army Chaplain. He was accepted into the >>> Royal Army Chaplain's Department and began life as an Army Chaplain on >>> Christmas Eve 1914 and he left Street for Bordon Camp. >>> >>> So, my query is that I wonder if anyone on this list knows anything about >>> my grandfather's time at Street? I have looked at local newspapers and >>> found very little. I wonder if someone knows something about my >>> grandfather or the Wesleyan Church in Street in 1914? >>> >>> I am researching and writing a book on the war experiences of my >>> grandfather, 'The Half Shilling Curate'. He was one of the first >>> Chaplains >>> to be awarded the Military Cross for Gallantry. >>> >>> I shall look forward to hearing from you! Fingers crossed. >>> >>> Kind regards, Sarah in Northumberland. >>> >>> >>> >>> ps. I have subscribed to the Rootsweb Street list but no response as yet. >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ENG-SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > . >