My gg father born MOREY in Somerset chose his mother's name DAVIDGE once in Jersey , I entered him as MOREY-DAVIDGE. Jean-Marie -----Message d'origine----- De : [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] De la part de Christine Poole Envoyé : dimanche 13 février 2011 22:20 À : ENG-SOMERSET-L Objet : [ENG-SOM] Badcock/Babcock How do you enter in your records when a person changes their last name (I don't think it was done legally)? How is it entered in our records? I am not sure when this was done. Thanks, Christine ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

How do you enter in your records when a person changes their last name (I don't think it was done legally)? How is it entered in our records? I am not sure when this was done. Thanks, Christine

John Sansom of Broad Windsor (Dorset) married Mary Snell at High Ham 9 July 1787. I would like to find out if they had a son named Alexander Sansom who would have been born c1790. Can anyone help? Thanks. Bee

Pat, You were asking about the death of an ancestor named Mary HARTNELL, saying that you 'found a burial for a Mary Hartnell, age 36, at Staple Fitzpaine on 16th April 1840. When I checked Free BMD to get the details of the death, so that I can get the certificate, the death isn't listed.' You also said that 'I know that for various reasons Births and Marriages are not always registered but Deaths always are because there is a body to be got rid off and officialdom gets involved, and officials always keep records.' In fact the registration of deaths were not made the responsibility of the family concerned until 1874, so there are some cases of the Registrar not being able to track down every single death in every quarter, regardless of whether a burial took place or not. The GRO indexes are also not infallible, so contacting Taunton R.O. would in many instances be the right move. However in your particular case it may be the burial transcription that proves to be at fault. Although you didn't mention what your source was, FreeREG certainly does show Mary HARTNELL's burial as being on 16th April 1840. If as an alternative source of verification you try looking at the burials on Family Search 'England Deaths & Burials 1538-1991' (a data set that was in fact recently updated) you will note that it shows Mary's burial date as being exactly 1 year later (16th April 1841). This means that the FreeBMD death shown as Mary HARTNALL in June qtr 1841 Taunton 10 305 is quite likely to be worth investigating. Duncan, Dundee

Hello Pat, I don't have any Hartnell info for you, but I am interested in your name.   In my family tree I have a PATRICK MOLLOY married to EVELYN AUSTIN.   When I saw your name I had to ask you if you are him, I hope you don't mind me asking.   Regards Patricia in Somerset --- On Thu, 10/2/11, Pat Molloy <[email protected]> wrote: From: Pat Molloy <[email protected]> Subject: [ENG-SOM] Hartnell Look Up To: "Somerset List" <[email protected]> Date: Thursday, 10 February, 2011, 12:01 My wife's great grandmother was Susannah Hartnell. I'm convinced that she decided that if any of her descendents were silly enough to try to find our anything about her, she'd make sure it was wasn't going to be easy. Almost every Census she has different age, and sometimes the places vary, but I believe she was born about 1836/7 at Norton Fitzwarren. Her father was Richard Hartnell, and I think her mother was Mary Hartnell, nee Bale or Beal. All the indications are that her mother died not long after after she was born. I have found a burial for a Mary Hartnell, age 36, at Staple Fitzpaine on 16th April 1840. When I checked Free BMD to get the details of the death, so that I can get the certificate, the death isn't listed. I know that for various reasons Births and Marriages are not always registered but Deaths always are because there is a body to be got rid off and officialdom gets involved, and officials always keep records. Before I contact Taunton Registrars Office I wonder if SKS who is going into Taunton RO in the near future could do a quick look up and check that the burial entry is correct. And of course if you could see if a Mary Bale/Beal was baptised at Steeple Fitzpaine about 1804 that would be a real bonus. Pat Molloy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My wife's great grandmother was Susannah Hartnell. I'm convinced that she decided that if any of her descendents were silly enough to try to find our anything about her, she'd make sure it was wasn't going to be easy. Almost every Census she has different age, and sometimes the places vary, but I believe she was born about 1836/7 at Norton Fitzwarren. Her father was Richard Hartnell, and I think her mother was Mary Hartnell, nee Bale or Beal. All the indications are that her mother died not long after after she was born. I have found a burial for a Mary Hartnell, age 36, at Staple Fitzpaine on 16th April 1840. When I checked Free BMD to get the details of the death, so that I can get the certificate, the death isn't listed. I know that for various reasons Births and Marriages are not always registered but Deaths always are because there is a body to be got rid off and officialdom gets involved, and officials always keep records. Before I contact Taunton Registrars Office I wonder if SKS who is going into Taunton RO in the near future could do a quick look up and check that the burial entry is correct. And of course if you could see if a Mary Bale/Beal was baptised at Steeple Fitzpaine about 1804 that would be a real bonus. Pat Molloy

Sheila Beer wrote: > Walton has been transcribed as Walcot. Holy Trinity, Abbots Leigh > has been transcribed as St Nicholas, Bristol. Ditcheat transcribed > as Curry Rivel. St Philip & St Jacob transcribed as Abbots Leigh 8>< > Perhaps we ought to bombard them with complaints!!!! A comment about this on another list says that is *exactly* what needs to be done. The more complaints there are the quicker they'll be sorted out. > One thought - perhaps the film held @ Utah has got the wrong > parish/place attributed to it. Perhaps it needs investigating. The films held at Salt Lake City are the same as those in the record offices. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

Walton has been transcribed as Walcot. Holy Trinity, Abbots Leigh has been transcribed as St Nicholas, Bristol. Ditcheat transcribed as Curry Rivel. St Philip & St Jacob transcribed as Abbots Leigh These mistakes are not the fault of the transcriber as the field for the chuch/parish is already filled in by the LDS programmers. It seem almost pointless in making the effort to put the info on line if it's wrong - it leads to further investigations being made in entirely the wrong areas. If these few are wrong there must be many, many more mistakes. They check input by volunteeer transcribers but clearly do not check church/parish name. Perhaps we ought to bombard them with complaints!!!! One thought - perhaps the film held @ Utah has got the wrong parish/place attributed to it. Perhaps it needs investigating. So BEWARE!!!!! Sheila

[email protected] wrote: > I found the above explanations very enlightening. The important parish > baptismal records also provide some better understanding of the historic > difficulties of giving birth to both mother and child and the health of babies.. > > Thank you.... YW :)) For a good insight into life in a village or town, have a look at the Guardians of the Poor account books, if you can. They do vary in quality and quantity but worth perusing. They aren't available online for the most part though. Some have been filmed by the LDS but whether they'd be available from a local LDS FHC, I don't know. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

In a message dated 2/7/2011 3:53:14 P.M. Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: [email protected] wrote: > I have several times come across a note in the side of the record. "P.B." > Am I right in presuming this means privately baptized or private baptism? Yes, you are :)) It's also known as a half baptism. > I have also come across the comment "received into the Church" and it gives > a date - later than the baptism. What does this mean? It sometimes > appears when there has been a private baptism. A private baptism is usually where a child is poorly at birth and not expected to survive. In order to prevent the child's soul being put at risk, anyone could conduct an emergency (private) baptism, be it the child's father or another relative, the midwife, a family friend, the parish clerk, the incumbent. If the child survived, the baptism was completed by being publicly received into the church. Sometimes private baptisms are noted in the register, sometimes not which is why you find will find, as you have, the receiving date without the private baptism. Sometimes it's entered but not annotated as a private baptism. Sometimes both halves of the baptism are noted but neither is annotated causing confusion to us researchers as it could also mean one child baptized twice (which shouldn't happen, in theory at least) or that there were two children with the same name and the first one had died or they might have been cousins. I found the above explanations very enlightening. The important parish baptismal records also provide some better understanding of the historic difficulties of giving birth to both mother and child and the health of babies.. Thank you.... Steade

On 2011/02/08 00:03, [email protected] wrote: > Now if everyone knew how to spell their own surnames, and they didn't use a > different version with each child and change of vicar, the vicars could > write without smudging their work - and they had kept the registers in the > dry so the ink would not run - life would be so much easier!!!! In the 19th century (and well into the 20th) churches were unheated and subject to cold and damp. Registers were kept in, of all things, The Parish Chest. Not particularly recommended for archival purposes. Vicars were notorious for their liking of wines and spirits. They 'went on' until they dropped dead. Hence accounting for the parlous state of some handwriting. Back even earlier, I doubt they had but a basic education, and simply got the job through their family connections. There's an old adage about what happened to sons: the eldest inherited, the second went into the military and the third into the Church. Until the 20th century, they had to rely on candles and oil lamps for lighting. Any wonder with everything else, that there are blots and smudges. Also, ink wasn't available 'off the shelf'. In rural areas in particular they had to make their own ink. It's all very well having a quiet moan (I know you were not being particularly serious), but if everything were made easier, where would be the fun in that :-) -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg

Jim Parsons wrote > If the child was not expected to live, the local midwife was often > permitted > to Baptise the child. Midwives were automatically licensed by Bishops to carry out a baptism in an emergency. When this was mentioned on another list a while ago a nurse commented that this ruling has never been cancelled. Maggie.

Hi Sarah PB probably refers to Private Baptism If the child was not expected to live, the local midwife was often permitted to Baptise the child. Remember that at that time, un-baptised could not be buried in "sacred ground". Received into Church usually happened if, after a Private Baptism and the Child lived, the usual "reception into the Church" took place. Jim http://www.payman.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk Now 24,000 Names in the forest Have found the WOODs and WOODLANDs (+ a BUSH) there are BIRDs in the trees (including SPARROWs) Also COOKs, BUTLERs, BUTCHERs BAKER's, CAKEs and OVENS Have PRINCEs, KINGs & DUKEs PARSONS, POPEs & BISHOPs but mostly Ag Labs - Happy Hunting see also: http://www.fromeresearch.org.uk http://www.opcdorset.com http://www.communigate.co.uk/twc/fromedissenters/index.phtml ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 9:35 PM Subject: [ENG-SOM] Baptisms >I wonder if someone could explain something to me. Ive been transcribing > baptism records for the period 1837 - 1881 for Tickenham in Somerset. > > I have several times come across a note in the side of the record. "P.B." > Am I right in presuming this means privately baptised or private baptism? > > I have also come across the comment "received into the Church" and it > gives > a date - later than the baptism. What does this mean? It sometimes > appears when there has been a private baptism. > > Interested to know. > > Sarah Baddeley > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

[email protected] wrote: > I have several times come across a note in the side of the record. "P.B." > Am I right in presuming this means privately baptised or private baptism? Yes, you are :)) It's also known as a half baptism. > I have also come across the comment "received into the Church" and it gives > a date - later than the baptism. What does this mean? It sometimes > appears when there has been a private baptism. A private baptism is usually where a child is poorly at birth and not expected to survive. In order to prevent the child's soul being put at risk, anyone could conduct an emergency (private) baptism, be it the child's father or another relative, the midwife, a family friend, the parish clerk, the incumbent. If the child survived, the baptism was completed by being publically received into the church. Sometimes private baptisms are noted in the register, sometimes not which is why you find will find, as you have, the receiving date without the private baptism. Sometimes it's entered but not annotated as a private baptism. Sometimes both halves of the baptism are noted but neither is annotated causing confusion to us researchers as it could also mean one child baptised twice (which shouldn't happen, in theory at least) or that there were two children with the same name and the first one had died or they might have been cousins. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

Newly added to www.theoriginalrecord.com for those who are fortunate enough to have traced their family back this far in this area of Somerset! <G> 1270 Somerset Forest Pleas: Pleas of Somerton Warren Forest pleas for the county of Somerset heard at Ilchester on the morrow of Ascension Day in the 54th year of the reign of king Henry III, 23 May 1270, recorded in Public Record Office Forest Proceedings, Treasury of Receipt, No. 153, were selected, transcribed (the Latin extended) and translated by G. J. Turner and published by the Selden Society in 1901. The text and translation are printed on facing pages.

Thanks that makes sense now. Now if everyone knew how to spell their own surnames, and they didn't use a different version with each child and change of vicar, the vicars could write without smudging their work - and they had kept the registers in the dry so the ink would not run - life would be so much easier!!!! Thanks again Sarah In a message dated 07/02/2011 21:52:56 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: [email protected] wrote: > I have several times come across a note in the side of the record. "P.B." > Am I right in presuming this means privately baptised or private baptism? Yes, you are :)) It's also known as a half baptism. > I have also come across the comment "received into the Church" and it gives > a date - later than the baptism. What does this mean? It sometimes > appears when there has been a private baptism. A private baptism is usually where a child is poorly at birth and not expected to survive. In order to prevent the child's soul being put at risk, anyone could conduct an emergency (private) baptism, be it the child's father or another relative, the midwife, a family friend, the parish clerk, the incumbent. If the child survived, the baptism was completed by being publically received into the church. Sometimes private baptisms are noted in the register, sometimes not which is why you find will find, as you have, the receiving date without the private baptism. Sometimes it's entered but not annotated as a private baptism. Sometimes both halves of the baptism are noted but neither is annotated causing confusion to us researchers as it could also mean one child baptised twice (which shouldn't happen, in theory at least) or that there were two children with the same name and the first one had died or they might have been cousins. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I wonder if someone could explain something to me. Ive been transcribing baptism records for the period 1837 - 1881 for Tickenham in Somerset. I have several times come across a note in the side of the record. "P.B." Am I right in presuming this means privately baptised or private baptism? I have also come across the comment "received into the Church" and it gives a date - later than the baptism. What does this mean? It sometimes appears when there has been a private baptism. Interested to know. Sarah Baddeley

>From The Times, Thursday, Feb 09, 1922; pg. 13; Issue 42951; col D WILL AND BEQUESTS. Mr. William Harries MANSFIELD , of Taunton-road, Bridgwater, Somerset, retired engineer and plumber, who died on November 11, aged 78, leaving £8,347 gross and £4,347 net, made the following bequests to be paid at his brother's death:- £100 each to the Servants' Home and Nursing Home, Bridgwater: £250 to Stephenson's Home, London: £200 to the Salvation Army, Bridgwater Branch: £50 to be expended at the rate of £10 a year for the purchase of books for the Free Library, Bridgwater: a small orchard at Moorland to Moorland Baptist Chapel: two acres of land at Stockmoor to Bridgwater Cottage Hospital: and the residue, subject to some other legacies and bequests, to the Wesleyan Chapel, Bridgwater,

Jenny All serious civilian air accidents in UK are investigated by the Air Accidents Investigation Branch. They probably hold a report on the accident you mention though I am not sure whether these reports are available to the public/researchers. See their website for contact details. Cheers Ian L ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny Davis" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 1:51 PM Subject: [ENG-SOM] Air accident at Chew Magna in 1975 > Dear Listers, > On 07 Jun 1975 a light aircraft crashed on the outskirts of Chew Magna and > the two occupants, one a Mr.J Hamilton, died. There would undoubtedly have > been an inquest on these deaths. Can any lister please point me to where I > might find details of the inquest? I dare say the local press would have > reported, but at this stage I've no idea about the date of such inquest. > Thanks Jenny

Jenny Davis wrote: > Thank you to Charani: following your reply I contacted the Coroner's > office, > whose contact details were found here > http://www.n-somerset.gov.uk/Community/Births+deaths+marriages+and+life+events/Deaths/coroners.htm > and was told that if I write to them, they will search their archives, and > if successful they will inform me what charge will be made to supply a > transcription. (There was no questioning of who I was or why I needed to > know)! That's good news :)) Writing to them will give them information that shows you're genuine. > At this stage they wouldn't give me any idea of how big the fee might be!! > (If it's sizeable I might be satisfied to get the date of the inquest and > then do a newspaper search). There's possibly a standard fee and they're waiting to see if you'll write or not. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/