Hi Mellie, Thank you for your email. Yes there is a Benjamin born 1790. I am fairly sure that the first child born to John and Ann Ward was William 1887 and that the other two ( Bagnall) had Fanny as their first. Anita Hi anita, I haven't looked too much into John and Ann yet, but the 2nd son of benjamin, is edward Ambrose Bill, who had a son Alfred, who had a son Edward Ambrose, who had a son Frank Alfred who was my great Uncle, married to my nans sister! I have only recently had a crack at this line, some of the info I received from another "bill" researcher, I don't have a gedcom from them, I think I am just picking through their tree slowly, Its silly o clock and my brain just isn't in gear right now, if you want to see what we have and what the other researcher has you can reach me at chouikh2006@btinternet.com and we can go through it later today when I have had some sleep! regards Mellie Why Does My Coat Of Arms Have Buckles At The Back?