At 02:39 AM 4/10/2006, 2twigs3 wrote: > Hello Diana in Ontario, >Thought a quick look at trades directories for your Samuel Davis, >auctioneer, should be easy find, but not so for Shropshire>>>>> snip>>>>> Hi there Somehow I must have missed this message, perhaps being too fast on the delete button! Also could not access the archives today to see what the original message was. Anyway, I have fairly all BICKLEY transcriptions BMB's for Ellesmere, St. Mary's, and also DAVIES or possibly even DAVIS from early days up to 1890s. Let me know what it is you are looking for. Cheers Graham Melbourne Oz

Have been reading with interest the posts regarding Bickley and Davies. I have a Samuel Bickley on the 1841 census in Hordley, ...Malster, aged 40, living with his wife Mary (Dodd) age 40. This Samuel Bickley witnessed the death of my grgrgrgrandmother, Martha Parry (Dodd) in 1872, in Tetchill, Ellesmere. I am enquiring whether Joseph, mentioned in past posts, might be a brother to Samuel. Has your research uncovered any siblings for Joseph or if there is any relationship to the Dodd/Parry family in your Bickley research. The Dodds and Parry's lived in the Hordley, Bagley, Yeaton and Tetchill areas. Kind Regards, Brenda

At 02:13 AM 11/10/2006, you wrote: >Have been reading with interest the posts regarding Bickley and Davies. I >have a Samuel Bickley on the 1841 census in Hordley, ...Malster, aged 40, >living with his wife Mary (Dodd) age 40. This Samuel Bickley witnessed the >death of my grgrgrgrandmother, Martha Parry (Dodd) in 1872, in Tetchill, >Ellesmere. I am enquiring whether Joseph, mentioned in past posts, might be >a brother to Samuel. Hello Brenda The sad thing is that the Ellesmere St. Mary parish records were not transcribed by the Shropshire Parish Record Society, but the good news is that they are on the IGI and also I have had the good fortune to have been able to transcribe Bickley baptisms, burials and marriages, so should, hopefully, be able to answer part of your question. This would almost certainly appear to be the family: Baptisms at St. Mary Ellesmere 28 April 1896, born 12 Apr, Joseph s/o Robert & Martha Bickley of Ellesmere 11 Jan 1899, born 10 Sep 1898, Samuel s/o Andrew & Margaret Bickley of Ellesmere 4 May 1800, born 26 Apr, Martha d/o Robert & Martha Bickley of Ellesmere 2 Jan 1801, born 9 Nov 1800, Hannah Maria d/o Andrew & Margaret Bickley of Ellesmere 21 Apr 1802, born 6 Apr, Sarah d/o Robert & Martha Bickley of Ellesmere 24 Jun 1803, born Jan 25, Andrew s/o Robert & Martha Bickley of Ellesmere 1 Jan 1809, born 9 Nov 1807, Sarah d/o Andrew & Margaret Bickley of Ellesmere T'would appear that Samuel and Joseph may have been first cousins. As you can see the names at baptisms are rather interchanged between the two families, so they were certainly close. I would tend to consider that Andrew and Robert were brothers. Unfortunately the St. Mary Ellesmere parish records do not allow a tie up between Joseph & Samuel in baptisms, so other close parishes or the chapelries of Ellesmere would need to be researched to find the connection. I am sure there is a connection. Perhaps there might be some clues on the IGI. I have not followed this up, perhaps you might. Earlier records of St. Mary Ellesmere reveal two other families from the 1750s - John & Mary Bickley of Hardwick, John & Margaret Bickley of Cockshut, (could be the same as Mary and Margt sometimes scroll much the same in old writings) and Andrew & Elizabeth Bickley of Cockshutt, also a Phillip & Catherine of Ellesmere. The following may be of use: Marriages, St. Mary Ellesmere: p20/81 Thomas Bickley of Hordley & Mary Jones (X) both otp by banns 5 Feb 1787. Witnesses John Reeves (X) and Wm. Gough. Ceremony by John Breck, vicar. Gough was a churchwarden so probably nothing to do with the family. The Bickley folk, in general, did not seem to choose St. Mary, Ellesmere as their main church for marriages, though there were plenty of baptisms there in the later years after the turn of the century. Cherrio Graham Melbourne Oz

Hi Brenda, In reply to your inquiry I have a Samuel Hignett Bickley, christened 16 Dec 1798, at Hordley, the son of Francis Bickley and Hannah Hignett. He was the eldest child of this couple. The 1861 census shows him married to a Mary, who was born about 1796 at Oswestry, but I do not know her maiden surname. Samuel is not a direct ancestor of mine but the elder brother of my 3rd ggrandfather, Andrew Bickley. Andrew died C1811 and his will names his children as: Samuel, Francis, Margaret and Martha. I also have downloaded Francis Bickley's will, dated 1842 and proved 1851, in which he names his children: daughters, Anna Maria, Margaret, Mary, Elizabeth and Frances; sons: Samuel and Andrew. I don't know of any Joseph Bickley in this family, nor do I recognize the Dodd or Parry name, but as I don't have marriage records for the above I can't say if they married into this family. Best wishes, Diana Robinson Ron & Diane wrote: >Have been reading with interest the posts regarding Bickley and Davies. I >have a Samuel Bickley on the 1841 census in Hordley, ...Malster, aged 40, >living with his wife Mary (Dodd) age 40. This Samuel Bickley witnessed the >death of my grgrgrgrandmother, Martha Parry (Dodd) in 1872, in Tetchill, >Ellesmere. I am enquiring whether Joseph, mentioned in past posts, might be >a brother to Samuel. Has your research uncovered any siblings for Joseph or >if there is any relationship to the Dodd/Parry family in your Bickley >research. > >The Dodds and Parry's lived in the Hordley, Bagley, Yeaton and Tetchill >areas. > >Kind Regards, Brenda > > >