It appears I cant email you off list. Hi Louise Yes I have tried looking to see if he is with brothers and sisters. Cant find his sister Jane b. 1826 or sister Elizabeth b. 1837 Can find all the others that I mentioned all living in Wolverhampton. Strange, but the numerator has Wem down as being Westmeath on some of the 1851/61 census.. Just cant find them at all....thank you for helping me kind regards Janice Researching: HAMPSON, STYCHE, GLADWIN, ABBOTT, ESBERGER, HOLLINGWORTH, HEMMINGWAY, CRESSWELL, KING, MATHER, ECKERSLEY, GOODALL, ROBINSON, ARAM, GEE, GRAFTON