Mike Thank you. I will follow your advice and see where I get! Cheers Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 3:50 PM Subject: ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 276 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Sankey - Haytons Bent, Stanton Lacy (Eveline Clarke) > 2. Re: John Bates Convict (Michael J Hulme) > 3. Re: marriage of jennifer massey/arthur eggerton > ([email protected]) > 4. Re: marriage of jennifer massey/arthur eggerton > ([email protected]) > 5. Re: marriage of jennifer massey/arthur eggerton > ([email protected]) > 6. Re: JOHN BATES (Greg Bugden) > 7. History of Tong, Shropshire 1894 ([email protected]) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 09:23:36 +0100 > From: "Eveline Clarke" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [ENG-SHROP] Sankey - Haytons Bent, Stanton Lacy > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi Charles > > I have only seriously started looking at the Sankeys in Shopshire for just > a > few days 15th September actually. The reason being that for years I have > been trying to find the marriage of my Grandfather to Emily Sankey (his > second wife - I am descended from his first wife), However, family > lore > is that his first wife was a first cousin (yes I have "proven" that), the > story goes on that when he married again it was to another cousin. > After > searching for several years, freeBMD updated and there about 3 weeks ago, > I > found it and immediately sent for the certificate which arrived on 15th > Sept. Emily was born 1867 (I thought that she was about that year from > her > death certificate, but knowing she was 45 when she married Granddad, I > thought she was a widow and was looking for any other name but that, I was > quite shocked to read Spinster and that her father Edwin was a Woodsman. > I > looked on Family search for Emily Sankey born 1867 father Edwin and found > them. > > I agree with what you say his death, it does say aged 69 which agrees with > the early censuses. Regarding his birth, the censuses. The 41 says born > 1836, the 51 says 1837, I thought I had the 1861 but cannot find it now. > The 1871 says he was born 1840, the 1881 says age 41 which makes it 1840. > I > thought I had the 1891 as well (these two lost ones must be together > somewhere). The 1901 is really strange, that says 75 but that is > obviously incorrect. It also says that Caroline is 57 which is also > incorrect - so much for the 1841 being out by up to 5 years but the others > being correct. That is why I put between 36 and 41 although I agree with > you 1836 seems the most likely. > > No I don't have the birth of Thomas except for the census age which in > 1861 > was 1908 and in 1871 it was 1810. I thought this might be on IGI as the > records stop at 1812, but no, it wasn't. Another contact I have but him > and his wife Sarah born at Bridgenorth. The 1861 says Mary ????? (can't > read the surname) mother in law born Stoke St Milborough. However in > 1851, there is a Mary Linnaker staying with them put as a lodger, but > about > the right age to be Sarah's mother, so I wondered if the bit I couldn't > read > was Linacre (different spelling) but that might be me WANTING it to that, > I > am not at all sure. > > Sarah was still alive age 73 and living with son Shadrack in 1881. > > Edwin married Caroline Lewis in 1866 registered at Ludlow, so probably > married Stanton Lacy. > > In the 1851 census Caroline was age 6 born Stanton Lacy. Her father was > Samuel Lewis born Wistanstow age 52 her mother Margaret age 53 born > Stanton > Lacy and all the children born Stanton Lacy. I have not found the > marriage, but the married daughter was aged 19. However, there was also > a > Lewis grandchild staying with them, so there must be another son old > enough > to have a 2 year old son. So probably a bit older than his sister. So I > would think they amrried c 1930ish. Again, I have not found the > marriage. > > I think that is just about all I have found so far. Except to say there > were 3 Samuel Lewis' born at Winstanstow c 1800. The one born 1799 fits > in > with Samuel's age on the census. There was one born 1800, but I think he > must have died as there is another born to the same parents just 13 months > later. As an educated guess, I would say the earlier Samuel was > Caroline's > father, but of course that needs to be "proven". > > I would be interested in hearing how you are related to these Sankeys. I > have still not fitted Emily in as related to Grandad ergo, my mother and > myself and I would love to "prove" or "disprove" this fact. My great > grandparents names were Watts, Kington and Woodward, so if Grandad was a > first cousin, those names should come in somewhere. I thought I had all > his cousins marriages, but find I am about 3 short. My cousin also heard > the same story from her mother, so I think there must be a grain of truth > somewhere. > > I think now that you have all my research, which isn't bad for 5 days > work, > but I have come to a full stop. If you can throw any light on the > subject > I would be absolutely delighted. > > Hopefully, someone will reply to my query and if they reply off-list, I > will > let you know the result. > > Regards > > Eveline. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charles Sankey" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 11:10 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-SHROP] Sankey - Haytons Bent, Stanton Lacy > > >> Hello Eveline, >> >> From the 1841, 1851 and 1861 censuses, Edwin Sankey was probably born >> in 1836. His age at death confirms this. >> >> I do not have the birth or baptism of his father Thomas, and would be >> pleased to have any info on this. >> >> I have been studying the Shropshire Sankeys for some years, and would >> wecome any queries concerning SANKEY.. >> >> Regards, >> Charles Sankey, Johannesburg >> >> -------------- >> >> Eveline Clarke wrote: >> >>>I am hoping someone would be able to do a look-up for me in the parish >>>records for Stanton Lacy. On IGI the records end in1812. >>> >>>I am interested in Edwin Sankey's baptism and also the baptism of his >>>daughter Emily. >>> >>>Edwin was according to the censuses born anytime between 1836 and 1841 >>>and >>>he states born Stanton Lacy. When he died in 1906 his age was given as >>>69. >>> >>>I do have Edwin's censuses, but it would be nice to know his exact age. >>> >>>Emily would have been born c 1867 as she was aged 45 when she married in >>>1912 >>> >>>Edwin's father Thomas is also born Stanton Lacy he would have been born c >>>1811, but is not on the Stanton Lacy records on IGI. >>> >>>I would appreciate any help that could be given. >>> >>>Regards >>> >>>Eveline >>> >> >> REMEMBER - The question you are asking may have already been answered. >> Threaded Archives at - >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/Archives >> >> Searchable Archives at - >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 10:14:23 +0100 > From: Michael J Hulme <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [ENG-SHROP] John Bates Convict > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hello Greg > > Your research has been made more difficult because John BATES appears to > have been born in the County of Shropshire but committed his offence in > the County of Staffordshire. As a general rule records for the two > counties are kept within each county so you need to pursue his > birth/baptism in Shropshire and his offence/trial in Staffordshire. > > I would suggest you post a similar message on the Staffordshire Mailing > List at > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/ENG/STAFFORDSHIRE.html > asking specifically for help and information relating to the place where > the offence took place and what records are available in Staffordshire > relating to the trial. > > As you pick up small pieces of information you may be able to ask more > specific questions and then get better answers. > > Mike > Shropshire, UK > ______________________________________________________ > > > Greg Bugden wrote: >> Hello Listers this is my first Shropshire posting. I am an Australian >> researching my convict ancestor JOHN BATES, who was a 'native of >> Shropshire' and a 'farmersman' according to the convict records I have >> investigated. >> >> I have received from your archives at Stoke-on-Trent a copy of the >> newspaper account of his trial (Staffordshire Advertiser 1825). >> >> He was found guilty of "breaking open and entering the dwelling house of >> William Blagg" at STANTON on the 23 July 1825, when he was 18 years old >> (ie born c.1807). >> >> John Bates was a 'servant' of Blagg at the time and the article says that >> John Bates' father had a house (nearby I suppose) which was searched for >> evidence. The article also says that John had a 'little brother' for whom >> a 'pinafore' was ordered made from some cloth stolen from Blagg's house. >> >> I would like establish John's family,and hoped the Newspaper account of >> the trial might help me do this. >> >> The IGI says there was a John Bates who was baptised at Market Drayton 11 >> Jan 1807. This could be my John Bates. The Parents named are Thomas and >> Hanna Bates, also of Market Drayton. They had other children, including >> young sons (Isaac and Abraham) who would have been infants/toddlers at >> the time of the trial: so possibly the "Little Brother" mentioned above >> for whom a pinafore was ordered. >> >> Does anyone else research BATES families in this area? Can suggestions be >> offered about confirming his family and background or perhaps providing >> details about the said William Blagg and his house/farm at Stanton? Are >> Market Drayton and Stanton near to each other? >> >> Any scrap of information will be appreciated, since there are no further >> Australian records left for me to pursue. >> >> Cheers >> Greg >> >> REMEMBER - The question you are asking may have already been answered. >> Threaded Archives at - >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/Archives >> >> Searchable Archives at - >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 09:20:18 -0000 > From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [ENG-SHROP] marriage of jennifer massey/arthur eggerton > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: MichaelJHulme > Surnames: > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sal.general/6578.1/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > Hello > > If you want the details of your father's parents you should obtain a copy > of your father's Birth Certificate which will include his mother's maiden > name. > > Mike > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link > above and respond on the board. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 09:46:09 -0000 > From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [ENG-SHROP] marriage of jennifer massey/arthur eggerton > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: ELLinSpain > Surnames: massey, eggerton > Classification: marriage > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sal.general/6578.2/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > Hello > > If you obtain a copy of his death cert, combined with his marriage cert: > > Mar Q 1958 > Arthur Eggerton > to > Massey > Wellington > 9a > 642 > > it show you /- a year his correct birth year - the marriage cert should > also give both their fathers names & their occupations - these help > "prove" you linage - then you go find his birth cert with the dad the > marriage cert shows - and so on backwards > > Certs can be obtained online at a cost of £7 each all inclusive > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link > above and respond on the board. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 17:25:26 -0000 > From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [ENG-SHROP] marriage of jennifer massey/arthur eggerton > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: teggerton > Surnames: > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sal.general/6578.2.1/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > thanks i will have a look thanks for your help > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link > above and respond on the board. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 08:19:28 +1000 > From: "Greg Bugden" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [ENG-SHROP] JOHN BATES > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hello Graham > Thanks for the welcome and reply. The trial was held at the Staffordshire > Assizes. So the Stanton you mentioned in Staffordshire could be a likely > candidate for the Blagg residence. But if the crime had been committed in > Shropshire then I guess the trial would have been held in that county, > unless all assizes in the region were held at Stafford. Do you know? > > However, the article tracks the movements of the prisoner before his > capture: he went to a draper in "Drayton" (could that be Market Drayton??) > and to a woman in "Ashley" (though the type is not very legible, could be > "Astly"). These must have been nearby villages, within walking distance of > Stanton. Additionally the money stolen was in notes from the Market > Drayton Bank. > > As for his birth in Market Drayton, The IGI lists only one JOHN BATES born > in Shropshire (his native place according to the Convict Indent) in the > year 1807 (he was 18 at the time of the trial, hence this date), Market > Drayton. > Cheers > Greg > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 01:50:13 EDT > From: [email protected] > Subject: [ENG-SHROP] History of Tong, Shropshire 1894 > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > I have available to whomever wants it the index to "The History of Tong, > Shropshire" written by George Griffiths. You could put it on a web site > if you > like. 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