Thanks for the jokes Joyce, Happy new year to you too. Nice and sunny here. In regard to the Madeley Palmers, the following events may be relevant: 13 Oct 1736 John Palmer married Mary Dankes at Madeley. 18 Mar 1743 Mary Palmer chr. at Madeley, dau. of John and Mary. 18 Mar 1746 Thomas Danks Palmer chr. at Madeley. 22 July 1755 Thos. Dankes Palmer chr. at Madeley.