Many thanks Ken, I haven't had a look at that 'beta' search yet. While I'm at it, in reply to the Shrop Lloyd enquiry, I may as well say that I have a relie Edwin Bathurst who married Sarah Lloyd at Madeley 17 May 1823. They took over the Benthall Potteries (1851 census) from earlier Bathurst ancestors. Hi Richard, I enjoyed your story about Weaver and Stourport Here are a couple of items which may be of use 1) Newish pilot family search <http://beta.familysearch.org> I entered Elizabeth Weaver 1790 Kidderminster clicked on 1st downarrow and got Mathon 1789 2) used Hugh Wallis Batch site to collect the Wor Mathon Weavers around 1789 as GED file 3) used my EAZYREAD to get Source File:- I:/weaver-1789.ged CHRISTENINGS VERSION 5 PLACE :- Mathon, Worcester, England 0 JOHN /WEAVER/,, ChDATE 28 FEB 1762, ANNE, JOHN /WEAVER/ 1 ELIZABETH /WEAVER/,, ChDATE 13 SEP 1789, ELIZABETH, JOHN /WEAVER/ 3 RICHARD /WEAVER/,, ChDATE 13 FEB 1791, BETTY, JOHN /WEAVER/ 2 THOMAS /WEAVER/,, ChDATE 17 FEB 1793, ELIZABETH, JOHN /WEAVER/ 4 TIMOTHY /WEAVER/,, ChDATE 01 FEB 1795, ELIZABETH, JOHN /WEAVER/ 6 WILLIAM /WEAVER/,, ChDATE 27 OCT 1796, ELIZABETH, JOHN /WEAVER/ 5 JAMES /WEAVER/,, ChDATE 03 MAR 1799, ELIZABETH, JOHN /WEAVER/ I'd guess John c 1762 was the dad Ken My original letter that didn't get onto the Shropshire site: My Martha Tomlins married Frederick William Bathurst Poole Dec qtr 1840 at Madeley. The Ironbridge 'Museum of the Gorge' on the edge of the Severn was 'Tomlins Garage' about 100yrs ago. ---- Also, my gggggparents Elizabeth Weaver and William Hinton are on IGI, as marrying 8 Feb 1808 at Kidderminster, WOR (probably St.Marys CoE church). -------The following is a paragraph from page 91 of the Worcestershire 'Hunt End Book' - "Stourport-on-Severn" by Anne Bradford. I hope Anne wont mind. ------"MILL ROAD. Mill Road, leads of course, to the old site of Mitton Mill. The residents of Mill Road may not know that the one-time Mayor of Philadelphia, city and port of USA, came from their midst (ie. Stourport, Worcestershire). John Weaver was the fourth son of Benjamin Weaver who lived in Mill Road. His first employment was as an office boy at Wilden Iron Works, then he became a clerk in the office of the Severn & Canal Carrying Company. He came to Philadelphia, tried several jobs but wasn't satisfied until he went to work in a lawyer's office. He taught himself shorthand and typing so that he could improve his position, then he decided he wanted to be a fully-fledged lawyer and he studied in evening classes for five years until he was qualified. Although John Weaver was quiet and unassuming he was a man of steel. In a city which was notorious for its bribery, corruption, betting and gambling, John Weaver stood out as an honest, straightforward Christian and he was eventually elected as mayor. One year, he went on holiday in the Rockies and the council took the opportunity of his absence to authorise the sale of the town's gas works which would bring in a large revenue but increase the cost of gas to the townsfolk. Weavers' friends sent him a telegram to let him know what was going on, he rushed back and caught his colleagues unawares. Another time he managed to quell a riot of about a thousand black workers single-handedly. The townsfolk hailed him as a hero." Richard Poole, NZ.