Thanks Mike and also to the others that replied off list It's definitely Astley-Abbots, the family wer there in 1841 and later Censuses (when they were in Sedgley, STS) they gave Astley Abbots as their place of birth, though the wife Ann couldn't seem to make up her mind where she was born :) Crowmore, Ellesmere or Hebsmor in various Censuses. I tend to think that Hebsmor was probably Ellesmere, just mis-heard by the Census Collector, unless anyone's got any better ideas that is. Thanks again and all the very best from Down Under Ian Ian Beach Bunbury, Western Australia Website "The Ancient Manor of Sedgley" in Staffordshire at http://www.sedgleymanor.com Listowner ENG-STS-SEDGLEY at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-STS-SEDGLEY.html Researching: Sedgley, Staffordshire : ADDIS(S), BEACH, CASWELL, GUTT(E)RIDGE, HOPKINS, FLAVELL, MILLARD & TURLEY Darlaston, Staffordshire : FOSTER, ORME & YATES Shropshire : ADDIS(S), BEACH/BACHE, CASWELL On 13/06/2010 10:45 PM, Michael J Hulme wrote: > Hello Ian > > There is a Crowmoor / Crowmere (different spellings at different times) > 1.5 miles (2.4 km) east of Shrewsbury plus lots of other places > beginning Crow.... all over the county. > > You say some of them were born at Astley Abbots but do be aware that > there are several places in Shropshire called Astley or beginning with > Astley, including the village of Astley 4.5 miles (7.2 km) NNE of > Shrewsbury so do make sure you have picked the correct one. > > Mike > _________________________________ > > > Ian Beach wrote: >> Hi >> >> I've just found my 3 x Great Grandparents in the 1851 Census for Sedgley, >> STS. >> >> His name was Thomas BACHE and along with his wife Ann and his 4 sons >> (Samuel, Thomas, Charles& James) were all listed as having been born in >> Shropshire. Thomas and 2 of his sons were born in Astley (Abbots) and the other >> 2 sons in Bildwas (sic) >> >> My query is that Ann was listed as being born in "Salop, Crowmon" (or >> possibly Crowman) but I can't find where Crowmon is - any ideas? >> >> Many thanks in advance >> >> Ian