Many thanks, Mike I have a few isolated families/individuals who evaded the emunerators on various census nights. Looks like this is another one to add to the list. Thanks for taking the time and effort to look Regards Heather Michael J Hulme wrote: > Hello Heather > > I have tried this all the ways I can think of, even swapping the > forename and surname, but still nothing. > > There are times when I think we just have to accept that some of our > ancestors managed to avoid the census enumerator, either intentionally > or otherwise, and this appears to be one of those cases. > > You are not alone, I have some that I can't find as well. > > Mike > Shropshire, UK > ______________________________________________________ > > > The Quineys wrote: > >> Good morning >> >> I wondered whether someone might be able to help find my 3Gt Gparents on the 1861 census? I've been searching for several years and still cannot find them. >> >> James DARRALL (b.1826, Dawley) married Harriet HOPWOOD (b.1828, Dawley) in 1849, Dawley. >> >> In 1841, they are both living in Dawley Green with their respective parents. >> >> By 1851, they are married and living with Harriet's parents in Dawley Green Lane and their 10 month old son, John Henry DARRALL >> >> 20 years on, in 1871, they are still in Dawley Green but now have their own house and 6 children - John Henry (aged 20), Matilda, Julia Ann, Harriet Eleanor, Hannah Louisa and Miriam (aged 2) >> >> Any help in finding them in 1861 would be most appreciated :-) >> Heather >> >>

Hello Heather I have tried this all the ways I can think of, even swapping the forename and surname, but still nothing. There are times when I think we just have to accept that some of our ancestors managed to avoid the census enumerator, either intentionally or otherwise, and this appears to be one of those cases. You are not alone, I have some that I can't find as well. Mike Shropshire, UK ______________________________________________________ The Quineys wrote: > Good morning > > I wondered whether someone might be able to help find my 3Gt Gparents on the 1861 census? I've been searching for several years and still cannot find them. > > James DARRALL (b.1826, Dawley) married Harriet HOPWOOD (b.1828, Dawley) in 1849, Dawley. > > In 1841, they are both living in Dawley Green with their respective parents. > > By 1851, they are married and living with Harriet's parents in Dawley Green Lane and their 10 month old son, John Henry DARRALL > > 20 years on, in 1871, they are still in Dawley Green but now have their own house and 6 children - John Henry (aged 20), Matilda, Julia Ann, Harriet Eleanor, Hannah Louisa and Miriam (aged 2) > > Any help in finding them in 1861 would be most appreciated :-) > Heather > >

Hi I have the marriage certificate of a Mary Light to a Thomas Giles on 14/04/1853 in Great Bolas. There fathers were John Giles and Thomas Light. Witnesses were Ann Light and John (it looks like Spencer). I was chasing down the Mary lights married about that time. I now find they are not in my tree but was wondering if anyone had any connections as I have a few Lights locally in Shropshire and would like to know if they are actually connected to me. Regards Barry (b.az1234@live.co.uk)

Good morning I wondered whether someone might be able to help find my 3Gt Gparents on the 1861 census? I've been searching for several years and still cannot find them. James DARRALL (b.1826, Dawley) married Harriet HOPWOOD (b.1828, Dawley) in 1849, Dawley. In 1841, they are both living in Dawley Green with their respective parents. By 1851, they are married and living with Harriet's parents in Dawley Green Lane and their 10 month old son, John Henry DARRALL 20 years on, in 1871, they are still in Dawley Green but now have their own house and 6 children - John Henry (aged 20), Matilda, Julia Ann, Harriet Eleanor, Hannah Louisa and Miriam (aged 2) Any help in finding them in 1861 would be most appreciated :-) Heather

Just a quick/late notification to let you know that Shropshire Family History Society will be in attendance this Saturday at Gloucestershire FHS Fair, The Crypt School, Gloucester, 17th April 2010 (10AM-4PM). Together with a group of volunteers, we shall have our CD's, Local Interest Books, Maps, 1911 Census and other Vouchers & Fiche for sale plus our own databases and an Internet Connection (we hope) on our laptop for Look-ups. If you attend, then please let us know where you heard about the event.

Hello Geoff You should check at Shropshire Archives in Shrewsbury for Registers of Electors. I have just had a quick look on their Online Catalogue at http://archives.shropshire.gov.uk/ Enter Register of Electors in the search box and see what comes up. While you were at Oswestry Library did you check their name index to the local newspaper to see if it included a reference to your grandfather? If not, I suggest you go back and have a look at that index. Mike Shropshire, UK ______________________________________________________ Geoff Barnett wrote: > Would anyone know where The Register of Electors for Oswestry between 1925 and 1940 . I am trying to find info about my wife's grandfather who lived at Orchard Street Oswestry , he was there in 1925 but we were told that he died in a railway accident and also we know he was a railway fireman , his name was Henry Jones born Abergavenny. Does any one have any information of railway accidents around Oswestry. We did go up to Oswestry library a few weeks ago but was informed the registers that we wanted had gone missing. I wonder if there's anything kept like that at Shrewsbury Record Office. > many thanks Geoff Barnett > >

Would anyone know where The Register of Electors for Oswestry between 1925 and 1940 . I am trying to find info about my wife's grandfather who lived at Orchard Street Oswestry , he was there in 1925 but we were told that he died in a railway accident and also we know he was a railway fireman , his name was Henry Jones born Abergavenny. Does any one have any information of railway accidents around Oswestry. We did go up to Oswestry library a few weeks ago but was informed the registers that we wanted had gone missing. I wonder if there's anything kept like that at Shrewsbury Record Office. many thanks Geoff Barnett

Hi Everyone, I did so well with my last request to the Staffordshire List I thought I might try this big, big unsolvable mystery. John Meddings born 1773 Blymhill hopefully married Martha someone around 1800/1799? It is the marriage and the surname of Martha I would love to find. They had Thomas c. 4.4.1801 Church Eaton - married died Wolverhampton The rest were at Blymhill Mary c. 14.1.1805 married died Wolverhampton Martha c. 14.8.1807 died as a teenager Blymhill John c. 2.4.1810 married died Victoria, Aus. (mine) Ann c. 31.10.1812 married died Staffordshire Sarah c. 25.10.1815 married died Staffordshire William c 28 July 1818 married died NZ George c. March 1822 married died NZ - no issue survived. On the 1841 census Martha is listed as not born in the County however, a William Meddings (a distant cousin) is also shown as this but he is on 1851 as born Wheaton Aston so I am not confident she was really born outside Staffordshire. Sadly neither John or Martha made the 1851 census. I have her death certificate, her age off the headstone in St Mary's Church, Blymhill. I have searched the Church Eaton records (by hand here at our State Library and on "FamilySearch") for any Martha born around 1779 and accounted for all of them. (There are none in Blymhill.) Hopefully, I have checked every version of Meddings and I have not found any possible marriage. Given the Meddings family for generations have popped over to Shropshire on a regular basis I think it is possible the marriage might be there somewhere. My aunt told me the Meddings family had something to do with the Pitman's shorthand but it was a secret. She was not given to that sort of thing so I thought Martha's name might be Pitman so I have tried that combination without any success as well. John's parents were Walter Meddings and Ann Nichols. Walter had a couple of children with different ladies before he married Ann and she re-married a man with a given name of Thomas when he died so, it is possible that Thomas, the probable first child, is named after the stepfather. There was no child named Walter in the family because one of Walter's "other children" carried that name. John had sisters Martha (died as a child), Ann, Betty (Elizabeth after Walter's mother), Dorothy (after Ann's mother) and Mary and brothers Thomas born 1779 (know nothing about him) and William born 1764. John did have an aunt Sarah but it is possible she died well before he was born. Regards, Irene (Melbourne Australia)

George WELLINGS  married Sarah GREEN  28 Apr 1845 Dudley, Worcester, England                                   Born: 1817 Stanton on Hine Heath, Shropshire, England Father: William WELLINGS married Ann JERVIS 12 Dec 1803 Stanton on Hine Heath, Shropshire                                              Born: 30 May 1773 Stanton on Hine Heath Shropshire                                              Ann Jervis fathers name: Thomas JERVIS Siblings: Sarah Wellings, Samuel Wellings, Mary Wellings, Ann Wellings, Thomas Wellings, Amelia Wellings, Elizabeth Wellings and Richard Wellings, Richard being born 23 Jan 1825 was the last child as far as I know. All were born in Stanton on Hine Heath, Shropshire Father of William WELLINGS - Samuel WELLINGS and Mother given name Mary. Hopefully, someone is connected to this family and if so please e-mail me. Thank you, Alice California

Hello Barbara Presumably it would help if you could work out somehow which shipping line your relative served on. Do you have anything which might give you a clue, even the routes of the voyages might help. On The National Archives web site at http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/researchguidesindex.asp they have numerous Research Guides. Go to letter 'M' and have a look through the Merchant Seamen entries to see if any of them are of any help. You might like to try the Rootsweb 'Occupations: Mariners Mailing List' at http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Occupations/Mariners.html You will need to subscribe (free) with your e-mail address using the 'Subscribe to Mariners-L' link on the above page. The people who monitor these messages are more likely to have specialist naval knowledge. Make it clear in your message that you are looking for someone with a UK origin. Mike Shropshire, UK _________________________ jeangr40@aol.com wrote: > Hi, Where would I find a cruise ships, crews list? I can find > passenger lists, but not crews lists. My Grandmother, Gertrude > HARRISON, worked on the early cruise ships,1920's or so, and traveled > around the world on them, it didn't seem to matter that she gave > birth to two children, neither of which knew of the other one, until > after all my digging from the last 9/10 years and I found out that my > Father, who thought he was an only child all his life, he is now 87, > has an older sister, who is still alive, but in a nursing home, she > is 90. > > This is a little of their story. When my grandmother Gertrude > HARRISON got pregnant with my Dad, her parents and one or two > siblings were living at Crossbank Farm, Edstaston, Wem? Her father > Peter HARRISON, being a retired Police Chief, sent her away to > Manchester to have the child, then she gave my Dad to a family to > bring up, he was never adopted, and she went back to Shropshire, only > to see him maybe once or twice more, he knew a little of her, but we > as his children, were never privileged to know anything, he was and > still is extremely private. Last summer I was in the UK for 6 weeks, > and my sisters and I went to Shropshire twice, but n ot really > finding much, it was only after I came back to the US, that I was > contacted by a second cousin I knew nothing of, she also did not know > that Gertrude had two children, she only knew of her Aunt Beryl,, we > talked on the phone and were both flabbergasted from all the things > we found out. My family plucked up the courage and told my Dad about > his sister, he was very upset, firstly because I had been snooping > about, but because he never knew a thing. They finally met in early > October, Beryl was very excited, he was and is still not sure of it > all, but from things that Beryl told my Dad, Gertrude worked on > cruise ships, and I am trying to find out where she went and when. > > I know this is a long email, I tried to send one before this, but was > told it was too big, so I am pleading for any help from you all. > Hopefully some of this makes sense, > > Barbara Foran, Charlotte, NC.USA >

Has anyone researched 16th century Albrighton manorial records and can reveal how much still exists? I suspect that much of the relevant material will be in the estate papers of the lords of the manor, the Talbots (Earls of Shrewsbury) and the Troutbecks - has anyone researched those families? I plan initially to visit Shropshire (and nearby Staffordshire) county record offices soon but wondered if anyone who is familiar with their collections has any advice before I start my research. I will expand my researches to Kew etc after the CROs. Thanks Robert

Fascinating story, Barbara. The following Merchant Navy site may well be of use. <http://www.nmm.ac.uk/researchers/library/research-guides/the-merchant-navy/tracing-people-crewlists-agreements-logs>http://www.nmm.ac.uk/researchers/library/research-guides/the-merchant-navy/tracing-people-crewlists-agreements-logs Cheers Graham Melbourne Oz

Hi list, I am researching the BREADMORE name, any time, any place. If you are related to, or know of any BREADMORE's I would love to hear from you. Best wishes, Bob

Hi, Where would I find a cruise ships, crews list? I can find passenger lists, but not crews lists. My Grandmother, Gertrude HARRISON, worked on the early cruise ships,1920's or so, and traveled around the world on them, it didn't seem to matter that she gave birth to two children, neither of which knew of the other one, until after all my digging from the last 9/10 years and I found out that my Father, who thought he was an only child all his life, he is now 87, has an older sister, who is still alive, but in a nursing home, she is 90. This is a little of their story. When my grandmother Gertrude HARRISON got pregnant with my Dad, her parents and one or two siblings were living at Crossbank Farm, Edstaston, Wem? Her father Peter HARRISON, being a retired Police Chief, sent her away to Manchester to have the child, then she gave my Dad to a family to bring up, he was never adopted, and she went back to Shropshire, only to see him maybe once or twice more, he knew a little of her, but we as his children, were never privileged to know anything, he was and still is extremely private. Last summer I was in the UK for 6 weeks, and my sisters and I went to Shropshire twice, but n ot really finding much, it was only after I came back to the US, that I was contacted by a second cousin I knew nothing of, she also did not know that Gertrude had two children, she only knew of her Aunt Beryl,, we talked on the phone and were both flabbergasted from all the things we found out. My family plucked up the courage and told my Dad about his sister, he was very upset, firstly because I had been snooping about, but because he never knew a thing. They finally met in early October, Beryl was very excited, he was and is still not sure of it all, but from things that Beryl told my Dad, Gertrude worked on cruise ships, and I am trying to find out where she went and when. I know this is a long email, I tried to send one before this, but was told it was too big, so I am pleading for any help from you all. Hopefully some of this makes sense, Barbara Foran, Charlotte, NC.USA

Dear Sylvia Happy Easter. I'm afraid you're going to need a little more information for us to be of help with such a common name. The International Genealogical Index reveals 48 (give or take a couple of duplicates) Thomas Parry's/Perry's being christened in Shropshire within a five year period of 1786. For myself, I do have a Thomas Parry, born Ellesmere, Shropshire 28th Jul 1788, christened at St. Mary's Ellesmere 14 Sep. Alas, I do not have a marriage for this Thomas (not found). Just to show you how common the name was I have nine Thomas Parry's within this little family group at Ellesmere. Do you have any other info about the marriage? I suppose it is pushing things to hope that the family was still alive and still in Shropshire or Monmouthshire by the time of the 1841 census, which may be of help, or indeed the 1851 which gives place of birth? Do you know where any of these people were buried? Memorial inscriptions sometimes give a place of birth. When they married most likely it was by Banns, but sometimes a License was required. For Banns you would need to know what parish one or both were living in and check some church registers. Marriage licences are indexed and available on microfilm through the Latter Day Saints folk at their family history libraries. It can be a tedious process unless you have a close year. You might be better concentrating on the eldest son, Thomas, or any of the other children if you know of them. A marriage certificate for one of them (would have to be from 1837) could give you Mary's maiden name, or if you knew where one of them was married it is possible the parish registers just may give the mother's name. It may also be worthwhile joining the Monmouthshire list. Good hunting. Graham Melbourne Oz

Good afternoon from Kentucky USA, I am new to the list, recently we found ancesters we thought were Welsh actually came from Shropshire, could you please help find. Thomas Parry born abt; 1786 no idea what town, . the marriage date from 1814-1815 Mary ------- born about 1796 in Scotland, We are not sure if they married in Shropshire or Blaenavon Monmouthshire Wales. Their eldest son Thomas was born in Wales in 1816. Any help and advise will be greatly appreciated. Happy Easter. Sylvia Gardner

Looking for information on the children of Henry Jones and Elizabeth Bromley married 1798 Oswestry Elizabeth born 1803 married Charles Glover Edward born 1798 married Jane Harris ? Thomas born 1808 married Mary ? William born 1805 John born 1812 Mary born 1801 Martha born 1809 Thank you Jeff

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Thank you to everyone who wrote about the female names Elizabeth and Isabel or Isabella. I had not realized that they were connected. Alejandro, your example of Queen Isabella also being Elizabeth the Catholic gives historic validity to this duality. My ancestor was Isabel Guilchrist on her baptism record on 2 June 1776, Isobella Gilchrist on her marriage record on 31 December 1795 when she wed Thomas Ebrey, and then primarily Isabella but sometimes Eliz. on her children's baptism records. Ellie, I assume it was the vicar or curate recording her name when she was born, married and when her children were baptized. I appears that the church official in several cases chose to use the English version Elizabeth or Eliz or Elizth for the records rather than Isabel or Isabella. Karen, it is really helpful to know of another woman in English who was listed alternatively as Isabelle and Elizabeth. A real example of what I am seeing. I also found this helpful source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isabel that gives variations of these names in different languages. Again thank you! Barbara -------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 09:47:38 -0000 From: "Ellie Thomas" <ellie.thomas@ntlworld.com> Subject: Re: [ENG-SHROP] Elizabeth and Isobella in Shropshire To: <eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com> Cc: barbara_petura@yahoo.com Hi Barbara, This website gives variants on first names and says that Isobel is a variant of Elizabeth (seems to be a very useful site). http://www.whatsinaname.net/php/search.php?action=search28&search_name=elizabeth If you click on the Isobel link on this page you get all the variant spellings of Isobel that you've found. Did Isobel sign herself as Elizabeth, or is it the vicar/curate writing the name? I have instances of clergymen 'translating' names in the parish registers, either into Latin - Carolus for Charles, or into English - Evan Lewis in a Welsh register became John Lewis for a while until a new curate appeared, and then I was back to Evan again; fortunately for me he was married to Lowry and I could track the baptisms through her name. Regards, Ellie -o0o- Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 09:52:00 -0400 From: Carolyn Parker <ca.parker@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [ENG-SHROP] Elizabeth and Isobella in Shropshire To: eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com Re: Isabella - I have an ancestor who went be "Belle" and "Bella" as well! -o0o- Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 07:32:14 +1100 From: Karen Hodges <rowantreek@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [ENG-SHROP] Women with two given names in Shropshire To: eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com Hi I have a sister to an ancestor in Lancashire during the mid to late >1800's who is listed alternatively as Isabelle and Elizabeth. I think the two names were used like Mary is to Maria, meaning the same person. Karen -o0o- Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 10:23:17 EDT From: Egrdn@aol.com Subject: [ENG-SHROP] Isabella and Elizabeth To: eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com For what it is worth, from Wikipedia  at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isabella  "Isabella is  a variant of Elizabeth, a feminine given name.". Eleanor Gordon  -o0o- ------------------------- Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 10:49:51 EDT From: AMilb36287@aol.com Subject: Re: [ENG-SHROP] Isabella and Elizabeth To: eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com The Spanish for Elizabeth is Isabel. The Queen of Castile  and Columbus patron was "Isabel la Cat?lica" (Elizabeth the Catholic), but  in English you'll usually see her called Isabella. Saludos, Alejandro Milberg Boston, Mass. -o0o-

-----Original Message----- From: eng-shropshire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-shropshire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Graham Price Sent: Saturday, 27 March 2010 12:35 PM To: eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-SHROP] Marriage indexes Hi, just wondering if anyone has easy access to either Boyds, Gwynne or other Shropshire marriage indexes. I am looking for a marriage of a John Peate (located re. a baptism of their son Andrew at St. Mary's, Shrewsbury 1725) to a Jane about 1720 or so John PEAT married Jane GRIFFITHS 29th September 1717 Shrewsbury St Mary David Steel Adelaide, South Australia