Although I've been on numerous mailing lists over many years, this is my first foray into Shropshire. I'm struggling to find records for the origins of the above couple. IGI has the 1808 marriage of George Colley to Cahrlotte Yeaton. I wonder if anyone has access to or could direct me to PR's. I'm hoping they might contain extra information like ages, parents, witnesses etc or even confirmation that they were both of the parish. There are five possible christenings of George in Shropshire between 1770-1790. One in Wellington in 1771 seems likely, but that would make him 36 when married which seems a bit old for the times. They had seven children between 1810 and 1825. George's death is registered in March 1838. Are there records for Wellington Cemeteries or other local Shropshire records that might help with this family. It doesn't get easier. Their daughter Elizabeth Colley, married William Smith in Sept 1837 at Wellington. Any takers for Smith??? Peter BOOTH - Family Historian, SYDNEY ---------------------------------------

Thanks Mike and also to the others that replied off list It's definitely Astley-Abbots, the family wer there in 1841 and later Censuses (when they were in Sedgley, STS) they gave Astley Abbots as their place of birth, though the wife Ann couldn't seem to make up her mind where she was born :) Crowmore, Ellesmere or Hebsmor in various Censuses. I tend to think that Hebsmor was probably Ellesmere, just mis-heard by the Census Collector, unless anyone's got any better ideas that is. Thanks again and all the very best from Down Under Ian Ian Beach Bunbury, Western Australia Website "The Ancient Manor of Sedgley" in Staffordshire at http://www.sedgleymanor.com Listowner ENG-STS-SEDGLEY at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-STS-SEDGLEY.html Researching: Sedgley, Staffordshire : ADDIS(S), BEACH, CASWELL, GUTT(E)RIDGE, HOPKINS, FLAVELL, MILLARD & TURLEY Darlaston, Staffordshire : FOSTER, ORME & YATES Shropshire : ADDIS(S), BEACH/BACHE, CASWELL On 13/06/2010 10:45 PM, Michael J Hulme wrote: > Hello Ian > > There is a Crowmoor / Crowmere (different spellings at different times) > 1.5 miles (2.4 km) east of Shrewsbury plus lots of other places > beginning Crow.... all over the county. > > You say some of them were born at Astley Abbots but do be aware that > there are several places in Shropshire called Astley or beginning with > Astley, including the village of Astley 4.5 miles (7.2 km) NNE of > Shrewsbury so do make sure you have picked the correct one. > > Mike > _________________________________ > > > Ian Beach wrote: >> Hi >> >> I've just found my 3 x Great Grandparents in the 1851 Census for Sedgley, >> STS. >> >> His name was Thomas BACHE and along with his wife Ann and his 4 sons >> (Samuel, Thomas, Charles& James) were all listed as having been born in >> Shropshire. Thomas and 2 of his sons were born in Astley (Abbots) and the other >> 2 sons in Bildwas (sic) >> >> My query is that Ann was listed as being born in "Salop, Crowmon" (or >> possibly Crowman) but I can't find where Crowmon is - any ideas? >> >> Many thanks in advance >> >> Ian

Hello Kathryn Thank you very much for this information - I have had a look at the web site and found some interesting bits. I already have Ancestry UK so I probably can't use the free trial option. If I find more information about this family I guess they probably originated from your home country. Thanks again for your help. Mike Shropshire, UK ______________________________________________________ Kathryn Marsh wrote: > Hi Mike > > The US census is every ten years > > You are of course right that it should be Amesbury, but phonetic renderings are all part of the joy of reading census datra > > Try the links from here > > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/massachusetts/ - this includes Massachusetts free lookups > > There were Federal censuses i 1860 and 1870 and Massachusetts state cenuses in 1855 and 1865 > > If you have some spare time so that you can exploit it I would suggest an Ancestry free trial subscription but make sure you get all your ducks in a line before you start so you can take full advantage of it. They don't let you do it twice :-) > > Good hunting > > kathryn > > On 13 Jun 2010, at 15:38, Michael J Hulme wrote: > > >> Hello Everyone >> >> According to the UK Census of 1881, 1891, 1901 and 1911 George John >> MAGINESS was born 1851/2 Almsbury, Boston, Massachusetts, USA. I can't >> find Almsbury and wonder if it should read Amesbury. >> >> I know that George was in the UK on 15 Apr 1879 when he married my >> relative Mary GRIFFITHS at Loppington, Shropshire and they spent the >> rest of their life living in Liverpool. The marriage entry gives his >> father's name as Charles MAGINESS. >> >> Does anyone know if it is possible to find anything about George's Birth >> and/or possible Baptism in the USA or any census there between 1851/2 >> and 1879. >> >> I would be grateful for any passenger list record of his journey from >> the USA to the UK. >> >> Mike >> Shropshire, UK >> >> >> >> >> >> REMEMBER - The question you are asking may have already been answered. >> Threaded Archives at - >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/Archives >> >> Searchable Archives at - >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > REMEMBER - The question you are asking may have already been answered. > Threaded Archives at - > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/Archives > > Searchable Archives at - > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Hi Mike The US census is every ten years You are of course right that it should be Amesbury, but phonetic renderings are all part of the joy of reading census datra Try the links from here http://www.accessgenealogy.com/massachusetts/ - this includes Massachusetts free lookups There were Federal censuses i 1860 and 1870 and Massachusetts state cenuses in 1855 and 1865 If you have some spare time so that you can exploit it I would suggest an Ancestry free trial subscription but make sure you get all your ducks in a line before you start so you can take full advantage of it. They don't let you do it twice :-) Good hunting kathryn On 13 Jun 2010, at 15:38, Michael J Hulme wrote: > Hello Everyone > > According to the UK Census of 1881, 1891, 1901 and 1911 George John > MAGINESS was born 1851/2 Almsbury, Boston, Massachusetts, USA. I can't > find Almsbury and wonder if it should read Amesbury. > > I know that George was in the UK on 15 Apr 1879 when he married my > relative Mary GRIFFITHS at Loppington, Shropshire and they spent the > rest of their life living in Liverpool. The marriage entry gives his > father's name as Charles MAGINESS. > > Does anyone know if it is possible to find anything about George's Birth > and/or possible Baptism in the USA or any census there between 1851/2 > and 1879. > > I would be grateful for any passenger list record of his journey from > the USA to the UK. > > Mike > Shropshire, UK > > > > > > REMEMBER - The question you are asking may have already been answered. > Threaded Archives at - > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/Archives > > Searchable Archives at - > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Everyone An item in the Shropshire Star newspaper 3 June 2010 has an item about the above three men who lost their lives in World War One and are buried in military graves at Tilstock, Shropshire. The graves have recently been restored and descendants are sought with a view to holding a ceremony locally. Please see the Shropshire Star web site for full details. http://www.shropshirestar.com/news/2010/06/03/letter-trying-to-trace-families-of-wwi-dead/ Mike Shropshire, UK

Hello Ian There is a Crowmoor / Crowmere (different spellings at different times) 1.5 miles (2.4 km) east of Shrewsbury plus lots of other places beginning Crow.... all over the county. You say some of them were born at Astley Abbots but do be aware that there are several places in Shropshire called Astley or beginning with Astley, including the village of Astley 4.5 miles (7.2 km) NNE of Shrewsbury so do make sure you have picked the correct one. Mike _________________________________ Ian Beach wrote: > Hi > > I've just found my 3 x Great Grandparents in the 1851 Census for Sedgley, > STS. > > His name was Thomas BACHE and along with his wife Ann and his 4 sons > (Samuel, Thomas, Charles & James) were all listed as having been born in > Shropshire. Thomas and 2 of his sons were born in Astley (Abbots) and the other > 2 sons in Bildwas (sic) > > My query is that Ann was listed as being born in "Salop, Crowmon" (or > possibly Crowman) but I can't find where Crowmon is - any ideas? > > Many thanks in advance > > Ian >

Hello Everyone According to the UK Census of 1881, 1891, 1901 and 1911 George John MAGINESS was born 1851/2 Almsbury, Boston, Massachusetts, USA. I can't find Almsbury and wonder if it should read Amesbury. I know that George was in the UK on 15 Apr 1879 when he married my relative Mary GRIFFITHS at Loppington, Shropshire and they spent the rest of their life living in Liverpool. The marriage entry gives his father's name as Charles MAGINESS. Does anyone know if it is possible to find anything about George's Birth and/or possible Baptism in the USA or any census there between 1851/2 and 1879. I would be grateful for any passenger list record of his journey from the USA to the UK. Mike Shropshire, UK

Hi, I am new to the list and am tracing the name MADDY. I know there were some in the Shropshire area in the 1800's, in particular the Reverend Benjamin MADDY, but please could anyone tell me if there were any MADDYS in this area around the 16th/17th century and beyond. Thanking you in anticipation. With best Wishes Sue

Sorry, but this event was last Saturday, the list delayed its publication past the date of the event. Graham WebMaster Shropshire FHS -----Original Message----- From: eng-shropshire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-shropshire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of RT17XXL Sent: 04 June 2010 10:51 To: eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-SHROP] Shropshire Family History Society Open Day - Sat 5th June 2010 This coming Saturday, we will be holding our Annual Open Day at the Shirehall, Shrewsbury (admission £3 on the door). A full array of stands/exhibitors/other Societies/information will be set out around the entrance lobby, foyer, upper landing and all side rooms, speakers in the Council Chamber this year will be Jeanne Bunting 11AM & Peter Park 2:30PM. Go to www.sfhs.org.uk/openday for more information. Graham WebMaster Shropshire FHS REMEMBER - The question you are asking may have already been answered. Threaded Archives at - http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/Archives Searchable Archives at - http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi I wondered if anyone is connected to the Kearn family from Guilsfield in Montgomeryshire. William and Mary Kearn moved to Westbury in the mid 1860s. Andy REMEMBER - The question you are asking may have already been answered. Threaded Archives at - http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/Archives Searchable Archives at - http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Could it be Crowmere? Velda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Beach" <ian@sedgleymanor.com> To: <ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 5:16 AM Subject: [ENG-SHROP] BACHE/BEACH in Astley Abbots > Hi > > I've just found my 3 x Great Grandparents in the 1851 Census for Sedgley, > STS. > > His name was Thomas BACHE and along with his wife Ann and his 4 sons > (Samuel, Thomas, Charles & James) were all listed as having been born in > Shropshire. Thomas and 2 of his sons were born in Astley (Abbots) and the > other > 2 sons in Bildwas (sic) > > My query is that Ann was listed as being born in "Salop, Crowmon" (or > possibly Crowman) but I can't find where Crowmon is - any ideas? > > Many thanks in advance > > Ian > -- > Ian Beach > Bunbury, Western Australia

Hi I've just found my 3 x Great Grandparents in the 1851 Census for Sedgley, STS. His name was Thomas BACHE and along with his wife Ann and his 4 sons (Samuel, Thomas, Charles & James) were all listed as having been born in Shropshire. Thomas and 2 of his sons were born in Astley (Abbots) and the other 2 sons in Bildwas (sic) My query is that Ann was listed as being born in "Salop, Crowmon" (or possibly Crowman) but I can't find where Crowmon is - any ideas? Many thanks in advance Ian -- Ian Beach Bunbury, Western Australia Website "The Ancient Manor of Sedgley" in Staffordshire at http://www.sedgleymanor.com Listowner ENG-STS-SEDGLEY at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-STS-SEDGLEY.html Researching: Sedgley, Staffordshire : ADDIS(S), BEACH, CASWELL, GUTT(E)RIDGE, HOPKINS, FLAVELL, MILLARD & TURLEY Darlaston, Staffordshire : FOSTER, ORME & YATES Shropshire : ADDIS(S), BEACH/BACHE, CASWELL

This coming Saturday, we will be holding our Annual Open Day at the Shirehall, Shrewsbury (admission £3 on the door). A full array of stands/exhibitors/other Societies/information will be set out around the entrance lobby, foyer, upper landing and all side rooms, speakers in the Council Chamber this year will be Jeanne Bunting 11AM & Peter Park 2:30PM. Go to www.sfhs.org.uk/openday for more information. Graham WebMaster Shropshire FHS

As many of you already know I am a great supporter of the UKBMD sites, having transcribed for both CHS and LAN, plus done other work for YKS. Some of you may be aware that CHS has recently reorganised their registration districts and this week Bob Kirk (whose permission I have to forward his email) has been alerted that one of the registrars wishes for some information to be removed from the CHS BMD website. I urge all list members to follow Bob's advice and email the registrar concerned and also, if a UK resident to send your local MP a copy. Hopefully if enough of us rally and MPs become involved the registrar in question will be forced to rethink his decision. I have emailed the same message to both the email addresses given below and am happy to share (privately) my email for anyone who might want a model-but mine is VERY forceful and does NOT mince words so be warned :-) Thanks for your anticipated support at keeping our records in the public domain. Best wishes Sherry Landa (in sunny-yes sunny, Oxford, UK) Bob's message: Basically the Registrar responsible for the New administrative area of East Cheshire (formerly Macclesfield) has asked that ALL the Maiden Names and Ages at Death be removed from the CheshireBMD web site for those areas for which he has now taken over.  This data has been collated by a team of volunteers working in the Register Office who have been able to check it against the original registers. It is a worrying precedent that this Registrar is trying to establish.  Much of the information is already in the Public Domain and published by the General Records Office in their indexes.  In the case of deaths, the age at death is given post March 1866 and for Births the maiden names appears post September 1911.  However he has asked that ALL this data be removed thus reducing the usefulness of the CheshireBMD index and there is always the possibility that other Registrars might follow his lead. Can I suggest that anyone who feels sufficiently strong over this matter or would like to add wait to our argument, emails the Register Offices in question and complains over the removal of this data.  If they get sufficient complaints they might just change their minds.  If you know the address of your local Cheshire councillor it might help to drop them a line also. The two email addresses are: CREWEREGISTEROFFICE@cheshireeast.gov.uk MacclesfieldRegisterOffice@cheshire.gov.uk Thanks for your support. Bob Kirk Dukinfield Cheshire

I found this parish move in a document dated 1838 on a Family Deeds website update in case it helps anyone: George James HILES formerly a Mercer of Manchester "now" a Gentleman of Admaston in the county of Salop Kind regards Pat Family Deeds www.familydeeds.org Family Deeds is a non-commercial, voluntarily run Family History website

Hi Does anyone know whether there are any baptism, marriage or burial records for Lilleshall available on-line, or to buy on CD? I know there are some on the IGI, but I don't think it is complete. I would also be interested to hear from anyone with connections to the below Shropshire names from my family tree, Thank you Karen Cheshire Researching; McCROHON - of Trench, Hadley & Wellington LYTH / DAVIS / HAMER - Canal boat people, mostly worked the Shropshire Union Canal POOLE, William a Shoemaker of Wem c1824 CARTWRIGHT - Richard b1813 at Lilleshall, his father Thomas born about 1783 and their families of Lilleshall, Muxton, Hadley, Trench, Wellington, Wrockwardine Wood, Shifnal & Waters Upton DARRICUT/DORRICOTE/DODICOTE - of Donnington Wood, Hadley, Muxton, Lilleshall, Shifnal & Wrockwardine Wood, including Richard DODICOTE b1777, son of John DODICOTE and Sarah GROOM - Margaret, b1787, daughter of William GROOM & Ann of Lilleshall & Wellington FELTON - Sarah born about 1788, of Lilleshall area STOCKTON - of Whitchurch including Elizabeth born about 1831, William STOCKTON b abt 1776 son of William STOCKTON & Sarah PALMER - of Whitchurch including Hannah b1804 daughter of Richard PALMER & Mary OWEN - Thomas born abt 1817 in Coalbrookdale, son of John OWEN

Susan, I have some baptism transcriptions I copied from original parish registers and BT's of Ellesmere, Shropshire (next door to Flintshire) of Owen people from 1803 to 1812. On the odd occasion they were put down as Owens and were from villages around Ellesmere such as Northwood, Eastwick, Trench. Also have some burials of Owen/s same district 1799 to 1822 (one from Oswestry). There are several marriages from 1789 to 1859. The baptisms & marriages will be on the IGI but there is more details from the transcriptions. If you could look at the IGI and see if any might be yours I will then be able to give you the full details. I won't have all of them, but will have most. All being, there were not all that many Owen/s around Ellesmere during the dates I mention. I cannot recall my reason for transcribing these people many years ago but it was probably for another researcher. I also have almost all Davies BMD's from St. Mary Ellesmere and some surrounding chapels, but doubt if any of these are yours. Cheers Graham Melbourne Oz

Hi, Mike Thanks for that. I know that there are *lots* of DARRALLs in the area which adds to the problem ;-) I cannot find a Thomas and Ann on my 'tree at the moment but that doesn't mean that they *aren't* related (esp. looking at the names of the girls) - just that I haven't found the connection yet :-) I appreciate all your help Heather Michael J Hulme wrote: > Hello Heather > > Since my original reply I have received a message direct from another > reader with the following information:- > > 1861 census - > > DARRALL, Harriet 1857 4 F Madeley Shropshire > DARRALL, Hannah 1854 7 F Madeley Shropshire > DARRALL, Louisa 1860 1 F Madeley Shropshire > > These appear to be three of the four children of Thomas and Ann > DARRALL. I can't see that these people are directly connected with your > family. There are several families with this surname in that area. > > Thank you for your message. > > Mike > Shropshire, UK > ______________________________________________________ > > > The Quineys wrote: > >> Good morning >> >> I wondered whether someone might be able to help find my 3Gt Gparents on the 1861 census? I've been searching for several years and still cannot find them. >> >> James DARRALL (b.1826, Dawley) married Harriet HOPWOOD (b.1828, Dawley) in 1849, Dawley. >> >> In 1841, they are both living in Dawley Green with their respective parents. >> >> By 1851, they are married and living with Harriet's parents in Dawley Green Lane and their 10 month old son, John Henry DARRALL >> >> 20 years on, in 1871, they are still in Dawley Green but now have their own house and 6 children - John Henry (aged 20), Matilda, Julia Ann, Harriet Eleanor, Hannah Louisa and Miriam (aged 2) >> >> Any help in finding them in 1861 would be most appreciated :-) >> Heather >> >>

Hello Heather Since my original reply I have received a message direct from another reader with the following information:- 1861 census - DARRALL, Harriet 1857 4 F Madeley Shropshire DARRALL, Hannah 1854 7 F Madeley Shropshire DARRALL, Louisa 1860 1 F Madeley Shropshire These appear to be three of the four children of Thomas and Ann DARRALL. I can't see that these people are directly connected with your family. There are several families with this surname in that area. Thank you for your message. Mike Shropshire, UK ______________________________________________________ The Quineys wrote: > Good morning > > I wondered whether someone might be able to help find my 3Gt Gparents on the 1861 census? I've been searching for several years and still cannot find them. > > James DARRALL (b.1826, Dawley) married Harriet HOPWOOD (b.1828, Dawley) in 1849, Dawley. > > In 1841, they are both living in Dawley Green with their respective parents. > > By 1851, they are married and living with Harriet's parents in Dawley Green Lane and their 10 month old son, John Henry DARRALL > > 20 years on, in 1871, they are still in Dawley Green but now have their own house and 6 children - John Henry (aged 20), Matilda, Julia Ann, Harriet Eleanor, Hannah Louisa and Miriam (aged 2) > > Any help in finding them in 1861 would be most appreciated :-) > Heather > > > > REMEMBER - The question you are asking may have already been answered. > Threaded Archives at - > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/Archives > > Searchable Archives at - > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

The families I'm researching are: DAVIES - Everton/West Derby, Lancs; Oswestry, Shropshire; Liscard, Cheshire and Montgomeryshire OWENS - Flintshire and Shropshire Thank you, Susan