Hello Dawn Unfortunately the Ludford registers were NOT printed when many others were about a hundred years ago but as you have found the Baptisms are on the IGI from 1647 to 1855 and Marriages 1661 to 1839 which means you should be able to find any likely references and you should also be able to order a copy of the microfilm through your local Mormon Family History Centre (you don't need to be a church member to use the library) where you can search the register yourself if no-one offers to do it in the UK. As far as I can see there are no WATERS within the correct time scale but there is a Maria WALTERS in 1814 on the IGI so I just wonder if you need to be a bit flexible with the spelling of the surname. If you are looking at the correct family I would expect there to be earlier children from an 1810 marriage. Often the first child will arrive within months of the marriage with others following at between one and two year intervals. You can do a Parent search on the IGI by entering the father's forename and surname together with the mother's forename, the event and its date range and the location (England or Wales) to see if you can find any likely children. As your most precise information is probably that of the trial date and place I would suggest you try a message board for the Brecon area to see if anyone can give you any more information from the trial papers. Mike Shropshire, UK _________________________________ On 05/11/2010 06:58, D & H Stanton wrote: > Hello Listers, > > The IGI shows a marriage for John WATERS to Sarah BRIDGWATERS in > Ludford on 22/7/1810. I've been conducting a fruitless search for a > long time, to find John WATERS and probably wife& family, who I > believe went to Wales in the early 19th century for the Iron Ore& > Coal industry. > > I think Ludford is probably strategically placed for a starting > point (please correct me if I'm wrong); also, 1810 is a good fit for > a marriage to produce a daughter in c1815, my 3xGrtGrandmother, Sarah > WATERS. I have a little more information about her, only because she > was tried in Brecon for Larceny and transported (for a dress valued > at 3/-) in 1833 for 7 years - like most, she never returned. Her > death cert in Australia gave Abergavenny as birthplace (not on Bap > records there.) > > > I am hoping somebody might check Parish Registers in Ludford to see > if this John& Sarah WATERS are recorded there beyond 1815, eg > baptising children, deaths etc; even an 1841 census entry could rule > them out as my ancestors. > > Any assistance will certainly be sincerely appreciated. Thank you > for reading this. > > Kind regards, Dawn (Tasmania, Aust.) > > > REMEMBER - The question you are asking may have already been > answered. Threaded Archives at - > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/Archives > > Searchable Archives at - > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/ > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please > send an email to ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > >

Hi All I am researching gg grandfather WILLIAM BARNETT born 1847 BOURTON his father also WILLIAM BARNETT was a boatman born FENNY COMPTON c1821 1851 census BOURTON it looks like they lived in a dwelling HO 107 1731 father WILLIAM BARNETT age 30 head boatman born FENNY COMPTON mother SARAH BARNETT age 26 born SHOTTESWELL son JOHN BARNETT age 9 attends the boat born CHIPPING WARDEN dau SARAH ANN age 7 born LITTLE BOURTON son WILLIAM BARNETT age 3 -- *my gg grandfather* an infant age 3 days -- in 1861 census RG 9 2177 age 13 he is boat boy on a boat John & Mary Ann Wilkins are boatman & boatwoman The boat is called "COMPETITOR" at the ASTON ROAD WHARF WARWICKSHIRE 1871 census RG 10 /3218 he is steerer and his younger brother EDWARD BARNETT is helper and it says: Canal boat "THE GUIDING STAR" W Brown of FENNY COMPTON being owner lying at his wharf on the night of 2nd of April. So what I would like to know: is it possible to find out where they travelled between and the loads or types of load that they carried. Does anyone know ? Where can I look ? I am due to visit the canal museum at Ellesmere Port next month in the hope of answers - am I on the right track going there? Hazel Green

Hi all Hope everyone is aware of the fairly new Family Search Beta site at: <https://beta.familysearch.org/>https://beta.familysearch.org/ Seems useful. PS. This is not the pilot site. Cheers Graham Melbourne Oz

Graham wrote: Hope everyone is aware of the fairly new Family Search Beta site at: <https://beta.familysearch.org/>https://beta.familysearch.org/ Seems useful. Understatement of the year, Graham. Birthdays and Christmases rolled into one :-)) Many thanks! Jenny THORNTON (was COLE, nee WATKINS)

Hello, I am currently tracing the family of Elizabeth AUSTIN bapt.3 Dec 1797, Loppington, and her husband Robert WILLIAMS who was bapt. 27 Sep 1795, Loppington. This couple married 11 Jan 1821, Loppington and had a large family. My particular interest is in the two children of this marriage who are known to have emigrated to Australia, John, b. 19 Oct 1823, Bagley, and Robert Jnr, b. abt 1839, West Felton. In about 1852, at Ellesmere, John married Maria Randles and they had one daughter - Mary Elizabeth - abt 1855. Maria died shortly after the birth of this child. My children are descended from John's second marriage (in Lancashire). I would love to hear from others interested in this family. Trevor (Melbourne)

For those of you who are interested in maps here is something a bit different. Visit Shoothill TimeMap at shoothill.com/whatwedo/bing.aspx (put http://www. infront) and select TimeMap from the selection at the lower part of the screen and you should see a modern aerial view of Shrewsbury (from Bing maps) with an over laid panel showing that part of the area as it was in 1882 or 1902. You can drag the panel or the background and they will follow each other and you can reverse them. You can see how a particular area changed over time. Mike Shropshire, UK

I have not! thank you for the suggestion.. At 02:31 AM 10/14/2010, you wrote: >Carolyn >Have you tried a search on the Appleton forum? Might be some >information there, hopefully :-\ . ><http://genforum.genealogy.com/appleton/>http://genforum.genealogy.com/appleton/ > > >Cheers >Graham >Mebourne >Oz > >REMEMBER - The question you are asking may have already been answered. >Threaded Archives at - >http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/Archives > >Searchable Archives at - >http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/ >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Listers, Hope this message is appropriate but I feel it maybe useful to some on this list, please correct me if I am wrong. I have noticed looking for various census and parish registers on ebay for my Leicestershire family research that someone has listed the parish registers for Church Preen, Badger and Oldbury, also two books which may be of interest, The History of Church Preen and Shropshire Parish Registers for Ludlow, all listed at 99p, worth a look. HTH Leicestershire Lass

Carolyn Have you tried a search on the Appleton forum? Might be some information there, hopefully :-\ . <http://genforum.genealogy.com/appleton/>http://genforum.genealogy.com/appleton/ Cheers Graham Mebourne Oz

Carolyn, If you knew it, then why not say it? It would save people wasting time looking for what you already know. Peter

Carolyn, His birth and christening are on the IGI at www.familysearch.org and show mother as Ellinor. Unfortunately, I can't find a marriage or any other children. Peter in Sydney

I'm sorry for that - I forgot that I had already checked the IGI..Carolyn At 11:48 PM 10/13/2010, you wrote: >Carolyn, > > If you knew it, then why not say it? It would save people wasting time >looking for what you already know. > > Peter > > >REMEMBER - The question you are asking may have already been answered. >Threaded Archives at - >http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/Archives > >Searchable Archives at - >http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/ >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Penny, Thank you for your kind offer of assistance. However, I don't have very much to offer as a clue about Arthur JACOB. As I mentioned previously all I have is................ Ruth Lorraine PARSONAGE was my mother, she was born at 133 Beatrice Street, Oswestry, Shropshire. No fathers name was listed on her birth certificate. But a christening record was located in Oswestry in the Holy Trinity, Oswestry parish records. Ref P215 Fiche 17, page 25, entry 198. This was dated the 24th of August, 1917 a month after Ruth was born, but the same date as her birth certificate was made. It lists a baby as Ruth Lorraine. The birth certificate shows only her mother as Ruth PARSONAGE, no fathers name was recorded. But the baptismal record shows the parents were Ruth and Arthur Jacob. Arthur was listed as a soldier. Their residence was 4 Trinity Cottages, Roft street. Living at 3 Trinity terrace in Roft street was Ruth mother Ellen Parsonage/Smith and her brother John Henry PARSONAGE along with a Johns sister Clara Beatrice PARSONAGE. I don't have a copy of the christening record and assume the information that was sent to me was everything they could see in the record book . Its a pity they did not get his forces number. I know there was a large army transit camp local in Oswestry during the first world war. Using the address shown in the christening record I was hoping that Arthur JACOB 's name might be in other records such as a list of absent voters or a postal directory, and they might give his army number and regiment. > > Personally I don't think my grandmother was married to Arthur because his >name > > would have been on my mothers birth certificate. I think the reason his name > shows up in the baptismal record is because the Parish reverend managed to >get > > it from my grandmother. The record did not say Ruth Jacob , my mother was > registered on her birth cert as Ruth Lorraine PARSONAGE. The baptismal record > > did not show my grand mothers last name it just gave > the mothers name as Ruth and the child as Ruth Lorraine. > > But it gave an address of Roft Street in Oswestry so it would be interesting >to > > see if there are any records that show Arthur JACOB was a resident at that > address. For sure there is a record that shows my Great grandmother was >living > > next door along with two of her adult PARSONAGE children. > > Again my thanks for responding, > All my best > Mike Morris > Toronto Canada

I was hoping that there would be another source to identify the mother further and other siblings. I got my info from the IGI as well as the parish register.. thank you! Carolyn At 11:28 PM 10/13/2010, you wrote: >Carolyn, > > His birth and christening are on the IGI at www.familysearch.org and >show mother as Ellinor. > > Unfortunately, I can't find a marriage or any other children. > > Peter in Sydney > > >REMEMBER - The question you are asking may have already been answered. >Threaded Archives at - >http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/Archives > >Searchable Archives at - >http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/ >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My ancestor, Bartholomew Appleton, was born in Shrewsbury, Shropshire on or about 04 March 1761; his Christening is recorded in the Shropshire Parish Register for Shrewsbury. His father was Homer aka Omer Appleton; I would like to find the name of his mother. Can you help me? Thank you, Carolyn

My Dear Mike, Once again I am not 'at home' in England to help you directly. You do sound desperate though. If I can find anything about Arthur Jacob's Service Record though, I will do my best. Repeat to me anything which may help :) Hugs and kindest regards, Penny ----- Original Message Follows ----- From: Mike Morris <morrisind@rogers.com> To: eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-SHROP] JACOB and PARSONAGE in Oswestry Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 15:26:16 -0700 (PDT) > Can a kind list member help me with a look up in Oswestry for a list of > absent voters or a post office address list of people who lived at Trinity > terrace, Oswestry in 1916 or 1917. I am hoping to find Ruth and Arthur Jacob. > Arthur > > might be listed as an absent voter due to him being a soldier in the forces. > Their > > residence might be No.4 Trinity Cottages, Roft street. This was their address in > 1917 > > on their daughter Ruth Lorraine's baptismal record. > > I was noted that In the Shropshire Records Office is a register of voters. The > volumes for > Oswestry begin in 1918. John Henry Parsonage my grandmothers brother > was registered in this record as living in Oswestry's East Ward. A list of > absent > > voters in Oswestry records John Henry's residence as Trinity terrace, Oswestry > in 1918 and spring of 1919. But not in the register for the autumn of that year > nor thereafter. > > > My thanks for any help some one might be able to give me. > > Mike Morris > Toronto Canada > > > > REMEMBER - The question you are asking may have already been answered. > Threaded Archives at - > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/Archives > > Searchable Archives at - > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can a kind list member help me with a look up in Oswestry for a list of absent voters or a post office address list of people who lived at Trinity terrace, Oswestry in 1916 or 1917. I am hoping to find Ruth and Arthur Jacob. Arthur might be listed as an absent voter due to him being a soldier in the forces. Their residence might be No.4 Trinity Cottages, Roft street. This was their address in 1917 on their daughter Ruth Lorraine's baptismal record. I was noted that In the Shropshire Records Office is a register of voters. The volumes for Oswestry begin in 1918. John Henry Parsonage my grandmothers brother was registered in this record as living in Oswestry's East Ward. A list of absent voters in Oswestry records John Henry's residence as Trinity terrace, Oswestry in 1918 and spring of 1919. But not in the register for the autumn of that year nor thereafter. My thanks for any help some one might be able to give me. Mike Morris Toronto Canada

Hi Gerry, I must have missed the thread on this. A large number of my family come from Woore so when I saw your posting it woke me up. I gather there is a 1911 database around, can you post details please. Many Thanks  Mike Latham

.......for 1911 is freely accessible at www.originaldatabases.co.uk. Gerry.

Hello, its been a few years since I last posted a letter to this List. I have a difficult research problem. I am trying to locate an Arthur JACOB a grandfather I have never met and know nothing about except the following which was located by a very kind List member about ten years ago. Ruth Lorraine PARSONAGE was my mother, she was born at 133 Beatrice Street, Oswestry, Shropshire. No fathers name was listed on her birth certificate. A christening record was located in Oswestry in the Holy Trinity, Oswestry parish records. Ref P215 Fiche 17, page 25, entry 198. This was dated the 24th of August, 1917 a month after Ruth was born, but the same date as her birth certificate was made. It lists a baby as Ruth Lorraine. The birth certificate shows only her mother as Ruth PARSONAGE, no fathers name was recorded. But the baptismal record shows the parents were Ruth and Arthur Jacob. Arthur was listed as a soldier. Their residence was 4 Trinity Cottages, Roft street. Living at 3 Trinity terrace in Roft street was Ruth mother Ellen Parsonage/Smith and her brother John Henry PARSONAGE along with a Johns sister Clara Beatrice PARSONAGE. I don't have a copy of the christening record and assume the information that was sent to me was everything they could see in the record book . Its a pity they did not get his forces number. Please can anyone add to my knowledge of Arthur other than he must have had a fast bike........................... :)) I know there was a large army transit camp local in Oswestry during the first world war. Has anyone come up with a list of the army personnel that went through this camp? Any suggestions would be welcomed. All my best in your own search. Mike Morris Toronto Canada