Thankyou John, Sorry, I was replying to Judy's earlier letter....I have since been digging further back. I have found that Wm Southorn married Margaret Roden (another tobacco pipe manufacturer) in 1819. The earlier generation, in 1786, John Dougherty Roden married Joyce Hartshorne Poole, a sister of my line (John)... www.broseleypipes.co.uk/ provides good info too. Regards, Richard, NZ. ------------------------------ For more information see www.broseley.org.uk/historyofbros.htm#Pipes%20and%20Pottery and www.broseleypipes.co.uk The Cumberland Hotel was converted into apartments after the death of Ivor Southorn, but I believe that there are still members of the family living in the area. John

Judy For more information see www.broseley.org.uk/historyofbros.htm#Pipes%20and%20Pottery and www.broseleypipes.co.uk The Cumberland Hotel was converted into apartments after the death of Ivor Southorn, but I believe that there are still members of the family living in the area. John _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter <http://www.spamfighter.com/len> . SPAMfighter has removed 203 of my spam emails to date. Do you have a slow PC? <http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen> Try free scan!

Further to this an ancient email by Judy, ie.: 29 Mar 2004 10:32:17 Yes, I know this is an ancient message that I am replying to, but I have just been trawling through the old messages in the inbox. Your Rowland seems to have been a big cheese in Broseley, listed in 1895 Kellys under private residents (King St) as well as his entry in the commercial section: Smitheman Rowland & Co, builders and tobacco pipe manufacturers, Crown pipe works, King street. No mention of Edwin, but there was a rival: Southorn William & Co, tobacco pipe manufacturers by steam, Broseley pipe works, I also found this in the Broseley section: "Broseley has long enjoyed a great celebrity in the manufacture of superior glazed tobacco pipes, the establishments of William Southorn & Co and R. Smitheman & Co being amongst the most extensive in the kingdom." Judy...... At 2pm NZ time, 1am GMT (in 4.5 hrs time), Greymouth will be having their remembrance for the coal mine tragedy. Their mayor, Tony Kokshoorn's mother was a Southorn descendant, from the above pipe manufacturers. Are there any other descendants ?

Hi Cliff I have found up to 50 variations on the IGI so one can get into problems with the name-simple name but a lot of spellings. I have made mine IKIN and a friend uses EKIN for various reasons, but I add the variations in my FT of the names found. Regards Barry -----Original Message----- From: Cliff Jones [mailto:cliffjones@fairways4.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: 19 November 2010 16:47 To: ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-SHROP] John IKIN Hi Listers In the 1851 Census for New Hadley, John Ikin is shown age 39, b Wombridge My research took me to this entry in the IGI : John Eacken chr Wombridge 29 Jan 1809, f Samuel m Elizabeth This sounded interesting as the Ekin/Ikin/Eacken etc surname has several variations However, I am aware that other researchers have recorded : John Ickin chr Wellington 22 Oct 1809 f Samuel m Sarah I wonder if anyone has any thoughts or ideas as to how this might be resolved As Harry Hill would say, which is better, John Eacken or John Ickin, there's only one way to find out! No, can't do that, but I really would be grateful for any assistance or advice Many thanks Cliff Jones

Many thanks Ken, I haven't had a look at that 'beta' search yet. While I'm at it, in reply to the Shrop Lloyd enquiry, I may as well say that I have a relie Edwin Bathurst who married Sarah Lloyd at Madeley 17 May 1823. They took over the Benthall Potteries (1851 census) from earlier Bathurst ancestors. Hi Richard, I enjoyed your story about Weaver and Stourport Here are a couple of items which may be of use 1) Newish pilot family search <http://beta.familysearch.org> I entered Elizabeth Weaver 1790 Kidderminster clicked on 1st downarrow and got Mathon 1789 2) used Hugh Wallis Batch site to collect the Wor Mathon Weavers around 1789 as GED file 3) used my EAZYREAD to get Source File:- I:/weaver-1789.ged CHRISTENINGS VERSION 5 PLACE :- Mathon, Worcester, England 0 JOHN /WEAVER/,, ChDATE 28 FEB 1762, ANNE, JOHN /WEAVER/ 1 ELIZABETH /WEAVER/,, ChDATE 13 SEP 1789, ELIZABETH, JOHN /WEAVER/ 3 RICHARD /WEAVER/,, ChDATE 13 FEB 1791, BETTY, JOHN /WEAVER/ 2 THOMAS /WEAVER/,, ChDATE 17 FEB 1793, ELIZABETH, JOHN /WEAVER/ 4 TIMOTHY /WEAVER/,, ChDATE 01 FEB 1795, ELIZABETH, JOHN /WEAVER/ 6 WILLIAM /WEAVER/,, ChDATE 27 OCT 1796, ELIZABETH, JOHN /WEAVER/ 5 JAMES /WEAVER/,, ChDATE 03 MAR 1799, ELIZABETH, JOHN /WEAVER/ I'd guess John c 1762 was the dad Ken My original letter that didn't get onto the Shropshire site: My Martha Tomlins married Frederick William Bathurst Poole Dec qtr 1840 at Madeley. The Ironbridge 'Museum of the Gorge' on the edge of the Severn was 'Tomlins Garage' about 100yrs ago. ---- Also, my gggggparents Elizabeth Weaver and William Hinton are on IGI, as marrying 8 Feb 1808 at Kidderminster, WOR (probably St.Marys CoE church). -------The following is a paragraph from page 91 of the Worcestershire 'Hunt End Book' - "Stourport-on-Severn" by Anne Bradford. I hope Anne wont mind. ------"MILL ROAD. Mill Road, leads of course, to the old site of Mitton Mill. The residents of Mill Road may not know that the one-time Mayor of Philadelphia, city and port of USA, came from their midst (ie. Stourport, Worcestershire). John Weaver was the fourth son of Benjamin Weaver who lived in Mill Road. His first employment was as an office boy at Wilden Iron Works, then he became a clerk in the office of the Severn & Canal Carrying Company. He came to Philadelphia, tried several jobs but wasn't satisfied until he went to work in a lawyer's office. He taught himself shorthand and typing so that he could improve his position, then he decided he wanted to be a fully-fledged lawyer and he studied in evening classes for five years until he was qualified. Although John Weaver was quiet and unassuming he was a man of steel. In a city which was notorious for its bribery, corruption, betting and gambling, John Weaver stood out as an honest, straightforward Christian and he was eventually elected as mayor. One year, he went on holiday in the Rockies and the council took the opportunity of his absence to authorise the sale of the town's gas works which would bring in a large revenue but increase the cost of gas to the townsfolk. Weavers' friends sent him a telegram to let him know what was going on, he rushed back and caught his colleagues unawares. Another time he managed to quell a riot of about a thousand black workers single-handedly. The townsfolk hailed him as a hero." Richard Poole, NZ.

Hi Listers In the 1851 Census for New Hadley, John Ikin is shown age 39, b Wombridge My research took me to this entry in the IGI : John Eacken chr Wombridge 29 Jan 1809, f Samuel m Elizabeth This sounded interesting as the Ekin/Ikin/Eacken etc surname has several variations However, I am aware that other researchers have recorded : John Ickin chr Wellington 22 Oct 1809 f Samuel m Sarah I wonder if anyone has any thoughts or ideas as to how this might be resolved As Harry Hill would say, which is better, John Eacken or John Ickin, there’s only one way to find out! No, can’t do that, but I really would be grateful for any assistance or advice Many thanks Cliff Jones

Hi Charlie One of the best things about putting the surnames in the subject line is that anyone coming along, months even years later to search the eng-Shropshire archives will see the surname almost immediately, whereas if it is hidden inside the email they will not and will simply by-pass the message/s. Now that I have changed the heading anyone coming along with Weaver connections with see that and will go back to 'Shropshire Ancestors' messages. You just never know, one day a fourth cousin or some such may come along searching the archives for that surname and jump for joy when they see your email address. Good fortune. Graham Melbourne Oz

Hi Charlie I haven't been able to trace my WEAVER's back that far but I do have WEAVER's in Shropshire. Edward WEAVER bap 13 Jun 1790 Neen Sollars parents Richard and Martha. They also had Samuel 1793 and William 1795. My current brick wall is Richard and Martha - no marriage or baptism. cheers Barbara Their son Edward Mantle Weaver is my ancestor c 1821 Farlow > My immigrant ancestor, Samuel WEAVER, was Christened > at Cardington Parish, Shropshire, 3 Aug 1600. He was the > son of Thomas WEAVER/Margaret COWPER who were > married at Rushbury, 15 May 1590. Thomas was the son of > William WEAVER/Anne ROBERTS who were married at > Chelmarsh, 17 Nov 1565. > I would like very much to contact any of my distant, very > distant, cousins who are descended from these folks and > are still in the Shropshire area. > Margaret COWPER and Anne ROBERTS are two of > my many "brick walls". > Charlie Weaver, Winston-Salem, North Carolina, USA > <patchas@triad.rr.com> > > REMEMBER - The question you are asking may have already been answered. > Threaded Archives at - > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/Archives > > Searchable Archives at - > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Barbara, in AUS. I don't have any WEAVERs that late in Shropshire. My immigrant ancestor, Samuel, arrived in Jamestown, Virginia, in 1623. I have 3 Richard's in my database. One was christened at Chelmarsh, 28 Jan 1572/3. Christening record states "son of Thomas of Sutton" [a village s.e. of Chelmarsh] This Thomas, as well as his brother, my William (1540) were shown in Chelmarsh records as "from Worfield Parish". Another Richard was Christened at Cardington 11 Mar 1598. He was a brother to my Samuel (1600). The 3rd Richard is the one who married Catherine CROFTE 9 Feb 1567 at Chelmarsh. I have no information on his lineage. None of these Richards are in my direct line. I have several Edwards, but all of them are much later and born in Ashe County, NC, the very n.w corner of the state. I know this is not much help to you, but may be something you can file away in case you get back to the 15-1600s in Shropshire. So many Williams, Richards, Samuels, etc. doesn't make it any easier. Where are you in AUS? I have friends there through an antique automobile club I used to run. Charlie On 11/17/2010 8:42 PM, Barbara Cocker wrote: > Hi Charlie > > I haven't been able to trace my WEAVER's > back that far but I do have WEAVER's in > Shropshire. Edward WEAVER bap 13 Jun > 1790 Neen Sollars parents Richard and > Martha. They also had Samuel 1793 and > William 1795. My current brick wall is > Richard and Martha - no marriage or > baptism. > > cheers > Barbara > > Their son Edward Mantle Weaver is my > ancestor c 1821 Farlow > >> My immigrant ancestor, Samuel WEAVER, was Christened >> at Cardington Parish, Shropshire, 3 Aug 1600. He was the >> son of Thomas WEAVER/Margaret COWPER who were >> married at Rushbury, 15 May 1590. Thomas was the son of >> William WEAVER/Anne ROBERTS who were married at >> Chelmarsh, 17 Nov 1565. >> I would like very much to contact any of my distant, very >> distant, cousins who are descended from these folks and >> are still in the Shropshire area. >> Margaret COWPER and Anne ROBERTS are two of >> my many "brick walls". >> Charlie Weaver, Winston-Salem, North Carolina, USA >> <patchas@triad.rr.com> >> >> REMEMBER - The question you are asking may have already been answered. >> Threaded Archives at - >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/Archives >> >> Searchable Archives at - >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > REMEMBER - The question you are asking may have already been answered. > Threaded Archives at - > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/Archives > > Searchable Archives at - > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Sorry About that Renee. I should have known better. Charlie On 11/17/2010 4:55 PM, Reneelwaring@aol.com wrote: > Instead of putting the names you are researching in the message portion of > the email may I suggest that you put the names Weaver and Roberts in the > Subject line? We are all researching Shropshire Ancesters. > > Renee Waring > > REMEMBER - The question you are asking may have already been answered. > Threaded Archives at - > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/Archives > > Searchable Archives at - > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi all Been a while since I posted a request. I am searching for information on the Lloyd family in the following areas:- STS - Pelsall/Bloxwich/Walsall from about 1840 onwards SAL - Shrewsbury/Wellington/Atcham/Dawley Magna/Broseley 1700 to about 1840 Particularly Atcham/Chilton around 1700 as I have been unable to find the birth of Francis Lloyd or his marriage to Ann at this time although I have their children from 1712 onwards. Should you have any connection to the Lloyd family in these areas I would like to hear from you. A full list of the family to date and associated family names can be found on my website at www.trevlloyd.co.uk Many thanks in anticipation Trevor

Instead of putting the names you are researching in the message portion of the email may I suggest that you put the names Weaver and Roberts in the Subject line? We are all researching Shropshire Ancesters. Renee Waring

My immigrant ancestor, Samuel WEAVER, was Christened at Cardington Parish, Shropshire, 3 Aug 1600. He was the son of Thomas WEAVER/Margaret COWPER who were married at Rushbury, 15 May 1590. Thomas was the son of William WEAVER/Anne ROBERTS who were married at Chelmarsh, 17 Nov 1565. I would like very much to contact any of my distant, very distant, cousins who are descended from these folks and are still in the Shropshire area. Margaret COWPER and Anne ROBERTS are two of my many "brick walls". Charlie Weaver, Winston-Salem, North Carolina, USA <patchas@triad.rr.com>

Just to clarify the URL ... http://timemap.shoothill.com/ I didn't need the www. in front Heather On 24/10/2010 21:22, Michael J Hulme wrote: > For those of you who are interested in maps here is something a bit > different. Visit Shoothill TimeMap at shoothill.com/whatwedo/bing.aspx > (put http://www. infront) and select TimeMap from the selection at the > lower part of the screen and you should see a modern aerial view of > Shrewsbury (from Bing maps) with an over laid panel showing that part of > the area as it was in 1882 or 1902. You can drag the panel or the > background and they will follow each other and you can reverse them. You > can see how a particular area changed over time. > > Mike > Shropshire, UK >

Hello Everyone If you are intending to visit Shropshire Archives in December please note that they will be closed from Monday, 6th December to Tuesday, 14th December inclusive for the annual stock taking. In addition there will be some additional closures for Christmas and the New Year. Please see their web site shropshire.gov.uk/archives.nsf (put www infront) and select 'News from Shropshire Archives' from the list of headings down the left of the page. Also, further down the same page is a reference to the TV programme 'Who do you think you are?' part of which was filmed in the search room at Shrewsbury. Mike Shropshire, UK

Hi All, This has come from the Cheshire list, posted by Christine. It could be useful to some members, being a fairly new genealogy web site. You can subscribe to a weekly newsletter which gives useful tips about recent and forthcoming genealogy news. The site has a very fast search engine even though I personally have not found anything to fit in with my own research. <http://www.genealogyintime.com/>http://www.genealogyintime.com/ Good fortune Cheers Graham Melbourne Oz

Thank you to Mike from Shropshire. I have been a member of the Powys List for a considerable period, but have had no luck finding John Waters to date, I have decided to search all border counties in the hope I might fluke a clue somewhere. Desperation time now, almost ready to admit defeat ... ALMOST! Thank you for explaining your Registers and for your suggestions, truly appreciate you taking the time. Kind regards, Dawn (Tasmania. Aust.)

Thank you Peter Booth in Australia, very familiar with Australian history, thanks anyway. I am searching JOHN WATERS origins in UK. I am hoping someone with access to Parish Registers for Ludford, can confirm if the John WATERS who married Sarah Bridgwaters there in 1810, remained there, so that I can eliminate him as a likely candidate. If some kind person with access to those Registers could please check for me, I would be sincerely grateful. Thank you. Kind regards, Dawn (Tasmania, Aus.)

Dawn, Found this but you may already have the information. http://www.angelfire.com/ak/krieggenealogy/paternal.html I'd try searching 1841 census of Wales for John Waters & Sarah born c1790 in England. You could also try 1851 which gives actual birthplaces, but they would be well into 60's. Have you searched for trial records or looked at convict arrivals to see if an extra data, especially age and native place or even birthplace. Another place to look might be her marriage certificate. I don't know about Tasmania, but other states usually show parents. You might also find her birthplace on births of subsequent children. Depending if it was known, her parents may also be on death certificate. Peter in Sydney

Hello Listers, The IGI shows a marriage for John WATERS to Sarah BRIDGWATERS in Ludford on 22/7/1810. I've been conducting a fruitless search for a long time, to find John WATERS and probably wife & family, who I believe went to Wales in the early 19th century for the Iron Ore & Coal industry. I think Ludford is probably strategically placed for a starting point (please correct me if I'm wrong); also, 1810 is a good fit for a marriage to produce a daughter in c1815, my 3xGrtGrandmother, Sarah WATERS. I have a little more information about her, only because she was tried in Brecon for Larceny and transported (for a dress valued at 3/-) in 1833 for 7 years - like most, she never returned. Her death cert in Australia gave Abergavenny as birthplace (not on Bap records there.) I am hoping somebody might check Parish Registers in Ludford to see if this John & Sarah WATERS are recorded there beyond 1815, eg baptising children, deaths etc; even an 1841 census entry could rule them out as my ancestors. Any assistance will certainly be sincerely appreciated. Thank you for reading this. Kind regards, Dawn (Tasmania, Aust.)