G'day Judith, You don't say where you are which means an answer has to be more general. By giving a general location of where you are (such as the nearest big town), you can often get more specific advice tailored to your needs). On the Family Search website (which contains the IGI among other databases), you'll also find the Library Catalogue. By doing a place search for Benenden, you'll see that they Parish Registers for Benenden are with the Kent Archive Service. This means you have two options. One is to visit the Kent Archives if you live near enough to them. The second is to order a copy of the microfilm into your local LDS family history library which you can do for a nominal sum (to cover their post and packing charges). When it arrives at the library, you'll be notified and then you can make arrangements to visit the LDS library and read the film. Merry Saturnalia David Armstrong Maylands, Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: Judith Harty To: eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 1:01 AM Subject: [ENG-SHROP] Picken + Gathin My 4x GtGrandparents *William & Elizabeth Picken *were married, for some reason, in Beneden Kent 27/5/1799. Is anyone resarching this family or can tell me where I can find the records to confirm what I have found on IGI Thanks Judith

A long way from Walsall, but if anyone has Masons from Ellesmere I pretty much have all of them copied from original parish registers. Lookups no problem. Cheers Graham Melbourne Oz My December edition of Genetree (private family history journal, not commercial) is now finished and available on PDF if anyone wants a copy - apart from those who regularly receive it! Contact off-list. This edition normally 20 pages, but only 16 this time. I must be slowing down :-|. About 2500k, but downloads in seconds on broadband. Might give you some ideas of how you too can publish family history on a regular basis! Anyone interested in the 1914-1918 war in Palestine/France might find some value in reading "Nearer am I to Home" a factual based fictionalized story about my dad and his war service from Gallipoli through Sinai and finally Palestine and certain folk in London and France. Some romances there too 8-). Whoopee!

Merry Christmas to you all To make this Festive season more memorable I would love to find any relations of my *Picken* & *Gathin* family. My 4x GtGrandparents *William & Elizabeth Picken *were married, for some reason, in Beneden Kent 27/5/1799. The only reason I can think of is because he was a gardener - he came from Shifnal in Shropshire and his wife from the north-east! I think he was born 29/12/1771, parents *Humphrey* *Picken & Mary* *Gathin*- this info from IGI. Again from the IGI I believe they were married 11/4/1757 in Shifnal. Parents of Mary are not known. Is anyone resarching this family or can tell me where I can find the records to confirm what I have found on IGI Thanks Judith

Do you have a "Savage Mason" father of "Rebekah Mason?" Wife might be "Hannah" Carolyn At 02:48 AM 12/18/2010, you wrote: >A long way from Walsall, but if anyone has Masons from Ellesmere I >pretty much have all of them copied from original parish registers. >Lookups no problem. >Cheers >Graham >Melbourne >Oz >My December edition of Genetree (private family history journal, not >commercial) is now finished and available on PDF if anyone wants a >copy - apart from those who regularly receive it! Contact off-list. >This edition normally 20 pages, but only 16 this time. I must be >slowing down :-|. About 2500k, but downloads in seconds on broadband. >Might give you some ideas of how you too can publish family history >on a regular basis! Anyone interested in the 1914-1918 war in >Palestine/France might find some value in reading "Nearer am I to >Home" a factual based fictionalized story about my dad and his war >service from Gallipoli through Sinai and finally Palestine and >certain folk in London and France. Some romances there too 8-). Whoopee! > >REMEMBER - The question you are asking may have already been answered. >Threaded Archives at - >http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/Archives > >Searchable Archives at - >http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/ >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 18/12/2010 06:51, gtp3066@nexicom.net wrote: > Greenways6@aol.com wrote: >> Hi Gord, >> >> Is your MASON family from Kidderminster related to Josiah MASON born >> there in 1795 and died in Birmingham in 1881? >> >> Rita >> >> http://www.webspawner.com/users/ritabailey/index.html > Hi Rita, > I don't know this at present but let's look at how Lloyd, Mason and Pace > come together on Green Lane, Walsall in the 1901 census. > May I join in here? I am definitely related to Sir Josiah Mason Rita. He was my 3x great grand uncle via his sister Elizabeth who married Abraham Smith in 1818. Nuala

Greenways6@aol.com wrote: > Hi Gord, > > Is your MASON family from Kidderminster related to Josiah MASON born > there in 1795 and died in Birmingham in 1881? > > Rita > > http://www.webspawner.com/users/ritabailey/index.html Hi Rita, I don't know this at present but let's look at how Lloyd, Mason and Pace come together on Green Lane, Walsall in the 1901 census. 1901 census 9 Green Lane, Walsall EMILY DUDLEY Head 51 (my great grandmother) had married Reuben Dudley after 1st husband Edward Pace died http://www.pacefamilyhistory.info/dudley.htm THOMAS PACE boarder 26 (brother of my grandfather, married ROSE LLOYD) WILLIAM PACE boarder 24 MARY ANN DUDLEY dau 18 REGINALD C EMERY grandson 7 ...Later emigrated to TOLEDO, Ohio USA ...son of GEORGE EMERY hd, 27, ag lab, b Cannock. m Mar 1891 - 175 East St, Bridgtown + FRANCES EMILY PACE - (b 22 Aug 1869 SHARESHILL) d/o Emily Pace/Dudley nee Culwick above nearby, a Lloyd family 13 Green Lane WILLIAM LLOYD 25 Collery Fireman EMILY LLOYD 23 wife dressmaker (Emily could be Eliza ?) THOMAS MAUSFIELD boarder 49 widower mine collery manager EDITH MASON general servant 14 there was an EDITH MASON b. 1874, Blakenall, Stafford of the Kidderminster/Lichfield MASON family but she would be 27 in 1901 instead of 14. She was of the Kidderminster/Lichfield MASON family, of my group. WILLIAM LLOYD Spouse: ELIZA STARKEY Marriage: 01 AUG 1870 Pelsall - M039442 It would seem likely, Rose Emma Lloyd may be connected to this nearby Lloyd family but I couldn't find this info. Keith Lloyd writes: The DUDLEY name stems from the maiden name of ANN SILVERS, who was the wife of John Silvers of Dudley, and mother of ELIZA SILVERS who married WILLIAM LLOYD of Pelsall, my great grandfather. I copped Dudley too as a middle name. Reuben Dudley's 1st wife was an Elizabeth Raybould; http://www.pacefamilyhistory.info/dudley.htm (info from June & Trevor Ridgway's Bible) I don't find Reuben/Elizabeth marriage but find: JEREMIAH SILVERS Spouse: EMMA RAYBOULD Marriage: 26 NOV 1849 Saint Thomas, Dudley JOHN DUDLEY Spouse: HONOR RAYBOULD Marriage: 25 DEC 1852 Saint Thomas, Dudley Interesting facts indicate the families crossed paths, got connected, etc. Maybe some census info is off some. Cheers, Gord Pace

Hi, Just if it might be of interest to anyone researching Shropshire (or Herefordshire or Monmouthshire) ancestry . I've put just over ten years worth of the Salopian Journal newspaper from my personal collection online at a new website called Last Chance To Read In total there are 1250 rare newspapers available to search (probably some of which are unique) and represents under 10% of my collection You need to register and can then view free "cuttings" from the newspapers centred on your search term. You can then download and view a page or the whole newspaper on a pay for download basis. The OCR isn't perfect (but this isn't uncommon) and I would recommend after an initial search - tick the "fuzzy" search on a scale of 1 which may bring up some more of interest. Best Regards Richard Heaton

Hi Mike My friend lived in Oswestry and he gave me the following info:-- Yes I can help your friend re - Oswestry. The picture house he refers to, I am fairly sure was 'The Kings', and was in New Street, which was a short street between Willow Street and Bailey Street. It changed its name in my time to the Century, and then became a Bingo House. It is now Wilkinson's which as you know is a hardware shop. I can't go back to 1948 in Oswestry, but am pretty sure there was not a cinema in Willow Street. Brynhafod Road was close to the Oswestry Boys High were I went to school until 1965. It ran into Welsh Walls which in turn runs into Willow Street. The Alms Houses, known as Smales Cottages are still there and you can get some info re this by googling it. Hope this is of some help Regards Barry -----Original Message----- From: Mike Morris [mailto:morrisind@rogers.com] Sent: 12 December 2010 19:58 To: SEND MAIL SHROPSHIRE Subject: [ENG-SHROP] Oswestry in 1949 Can anyone tell me if Mount road or Willow street in Oswestry had a picture house in it the year 1948 ? I am trying to get my bearings and around that date visited Oswestry with my parents and stayed with an aunt and uncle in Brynhafod road or lane ? I remembered going to the movies and it was in a busy shopping area on what might have been a road, it was within walking distance from the home. Thank you Mike Morris Toronto Canada

Hi Barry, thank you and your friend for your kind help. I did locate the cottages with a Google search as per the suggestion. The movie house was on a busy section of road or street with shops along this section. As for the High school I had the impression my mother worked there as 'general' help around the early 1930's. Its a small world. Many thanks to the List members. Merry Christmas to you all. Mike Morris Toronto, Canada ----- Original Message ---- > From: Barry <barrydeakin@blueyonder.co.uk> > To: eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, December 16, 2010 3:06:56 PM > The picture house he refers to, I am fairly sure was 'The Kings', and was in > New Street, which was a short street between Willow Street and Bailey > Street. It changed its name in my time to the Century, and then became a > Bingo House. It is now Wilkinson's which as you know is a hardware shop. I > can't go back to 1948 in Oswestry, but am pretty sure there was not a cinema > in Willow Street. > > Brynhafod Road was close to the Oswestry Boys High were I went to school > until 1965. It ran into Welsh Walls which in turn runs into Willow Street. > The Alms Houses, known as Smales Cottages are still there and you can get > some info re this by googling it. <snip>

Trevor wrote: > Hi all > Been a while since I posted a request. > I am searching for information on the Lloyd family in the following areas:- > STS - Pelsall/Bloxwich/Walsall from about 1840 onwards > A full list of the family to date and associated family names can be found on my website at www.trevlloyd.co.uk > > Many thanks in anticipation > Trevor > ------------------------------- Hello Trev, We've been in touch before; I have a new one for you. Rose Emma Lloyd, wife of Thomas Pace (brother of my grandfather) 1 Thomas Pace b: 05 Apr 1875 Laney Green, Shareshill,Staffordshire + Rose Emma Lloyd b: 1877 2 Reginald Pace 2 Elsie Pace + Jack Renard 2 Thomas Pace + Violet 2 William Edward Pace b: 1912-1990 + Constance Rose Tidey b: 1923-1997 Thomas' history was unknown until recently when a descendent found my web site and filled in the gaps, and also wrote: As you probably know, by 1901 the remaining Pace's had moved to Walsall from Cannock and Thomas was living in Green Lane, Walsall, with his brother William and mother, Emily, who had earlier remarried Reuben Dudley and was now widowed again. Thomas later married Rose Lloyd and had four children (as above) Interesting - you have DUDLEY too http://www.pacefamilyhistory.info/main.htm#du Ronald Dudley Lloyd b 9 March 1905 d 1981 Kiddeminster whose brother Keith Osbaldeston Lloyd m 1953 Pamela Eileen Smith b abt 1931 another interesting fact in Thomas Pace/Rose Emma Lloyd descendents, I see a Patricia Ann Smith b 1947 who married John Thomas Pace b 1946 (marriage likely in '60s) Pelsall/Bloxwich/Walsall - the locale of much of my family history, grandmother was Annie Arch of 16 Blakenall Lane, Bloxwich whose mother was Maria Mason. Mason family of Kiddeminster, Lichfield http://www.pacefamilyhistory.info/records/mason.htm MASON HOUGHTON PARDOE ROE HAYCOCK ARCH HICKEN LANE SQUIRE other related surnames, Midlands, Welsh Marches: http://www.pacefamilyhistory.info/records/index.htm another Lloyd-Pace http://www.pacefamilyhistory.info/uk/whit.htm#sh 5 FREDERICK PACE b Jul 13 1874 ECCLESHALL STS - d 1917 age 42 est + GERTRUDE ALICE LLOYD born Stafford - m Nov 7 1908 Walsall, Staffs http://www.pacefamilyhistory.info/uk/lloyd.htm Hope this helps, Gord Pace

I had a look at a map of Oswestry and putting two and two together came up with the movie house was in Willow street and that I walked down Welsh Walls. past Arundle road. Arundle road was my clue. My mothers nan was in a nursing home and died in a fire in 1961 in Smales cottage homes. Hope you don't mind my sharing this. It was quite an adventure for me in them days, I cycled from Manchester with my dad around 1950, starting at 2 AM in the Sunday morning and arrived in Oswestry around mid day Sunday had dinner at my aunts and then preceded to cycle back to Manchester arriving before midnight on the Sunday night. All my best and a Merry Christmas . Mike Morris Toronto Canada ----- Original Message ---- > From: Mike Morris <morrisind@rogers.com> > To: SEND MAIL SHROPSHIRE <ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sun, December 12, 2010 2:58:08 PM > Subject: [ENG-SHROP] Oswestry in 1949 > > Can anyone tell me if Mount road or Willow street in Oswestry had a picture > house in it the year 1948 ? I am trying to get my bearings and around that >date > > visited Oswestry with my parents and stayed with an aunt and uncle in >Brynhafod > road or lane ? I remembered going to the movies and it was in a busy shopping > area on what might have been a road, it was within walking distance from the > home. > > Thank you > Mike Morris > Toronto Canada > > > REMEMBER - The question you are asking may have already been answered. > Threaded Archives at - > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/Archives > > Searchable Archives at - > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Can anyone tell me if Mount road or Willow street in Oswestry had a picture house in it the year 1948 ? I am trying to get my bearings and around that date visited Oswestry with my parents and stayed with an aunt and uncle in Brynhafod road or lane ? I remembered going to the movies and it was in a busy shopping area on what might have been a road, it was within walking distance from the home. Thank you Mike Morris Toronto Canada

Many thanks to Mike, Jane, Mal, DrGeneal, for suggestions as to a place name. The general consensus is that it is Streton Westbury. I'm working on the possibility that Emma was the Emma KENRICK who married William JONES at Selattyn on 11th October, 1796. That couple then lived in Whittington where my gggrandfather was born in 1807. David Steel Adelaide

Hi If anyone is searching for John Morgan who was born in August 1842 at Ercall Magna, I have a copy of his birth cert, which I bought in error and you may have. His parents were John and Maria Morgan Mal

Hello David Strangely Ancestry have managed to index this page without including the folio number in the index making it impossible to search using the page reference. I have reported this problem to Ancestry. Looking at the first entry on the same page it appears that the census enumerator does not always cross his "T's" making it more difficult to guess which letters he is writing. The last word for Emma's place certainly seems to be Westbury, which is west of Shrewsbury. Use this link http://goo.gl/maps/qTlP on Google Maps. The other word could be Stretton (possibly written Streton) but a quick search on the IGI has failed to identify a suitable female named Emma born 1762 +/-5 years in that area. I couldn't get the IGI to allow me to search for an Emma marrying a JONES without her maiden name so unless you have that I don't know how you can progress with this. Mike Shropshire, UK _____________________________________ On 11/12/2010 02:01, David Steel wrote: > Thanks to those who replied to my place deciphering query. > > The reference is HO 107/1993/652 (verso) page 1. The individual is the 89 > year old widowed pauper, Emma JONES, lodging at no. 3. > > David Steel > > > > REMEMBER - The question you are asking may have already been answered. > Threaded Archives at - > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/Archives > > Searchable Archives at - > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Thanks to those who replied to my place deciphering query. The reference is HO 107/1993/652 (verso) page 1. The individual is the 89 year old widowed pauper, Emma JONES, lodging at no. 3. David Steel

David, It would have been helpful to know who we were looking for and put the place name in some sort of context. I have no suggestions for the first word, but the last looks like Westbury. A less likely option is Norbury. My suggestion would be to look at earlier and later censuses if possible, or see if any siblings were born in the same location. I also find it sometimes helps to look an placenames on both Ancestry and Find My Past where you often find varying spellings. Peter in Sydney

In pursuit of an elusive ancestor, I am trying to decipher a place of birth on the 1851 census. It's in Shropshire - the nearest I can get is "Sheson Nerlbury". If anyone would be kind enough, it can be seen at:- <users.tpg.com.au/u3attg/vp/emmawhittington2pob.tif> ignore the "Staffordshire"; that's the next entry. Many thanks. David Steel Adelaide, South Australia

Hello David Will you please quote the page reference for this query. It should be HO.107 Piece ???? Folio ?? Page ?? together with the name and age of the person you are researching so that we can look at the full page and try to come up with the answer for you. Mike Shropshire, UK ____________________________________ On 10/12/2010 09:35, David Steel wrote: > In pursuit of an elusive ancestor, I am trying to decipher a place of birth > on the 1851 census. > > It's in Shropshire - the nearest I can get is "Sheson Nerlbury". > > If anyone would be kind enough, it can be seen at:- > <users.tpg.com.au/u3attg/vp/emmawhittington2pob.tif> ignore the > "Staffordshire"; that's the next entry. > > Many thanks. > > David Steel > Adelaide, South Australia > > > > REMEMBER - The question you are asking may have already been answered. > Threaded Archives at - > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/Archives > > Searchable Archives at - > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi David It looks more like Westbury to me and when I checked to see if there was such a village I noticed there is an area called Stretton not far from the village of Westbury. Hope this helps Mal On 10 Dec 2010, at 09:35, David Steel wrote: > In pursuit of an elusive ancestor, I am trying to decipher a place of birth > on the 1851 census. > > It's in Shropshire - the nearest I can get is "Sheson Nerlbury". > > If anyone would be kind enough, it can be seen at:- > <users.tpg.com.au/u3attg/vp/emmawhittington2pob.tif> ignore the > "Staffordshire"; that's the next entry. > > Many thanks. > > David Steel > Adelaide, South Australia > > > > REMEMBER - The question you are asking may have already been answered. > Threaded Archives at - > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/Archives > > Searchable Archives at - > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message