I am trying to sort out a family muddle and need any information on the following families in or around the LUDLOW area WATKINS, WILSON,WEAVER families any information appreciated Susie

Hi all, If anyone has suggestions on the following situation, I'd be very grateful. Thomas CHARLES was born about 1803 at 8 Old Jewry St in London to Elizabeth CHARLES -the father is unknown. The baptism for Thomas CHARLES is listed in the Shropshire Parish Register in Burford with this entry: 1804 Feb. 5 Thomas, natural s. Elizabeth CHARLES. We are not sure what happened to his mother, Elizabeth CHARLES, who was baptized in 1782 in Burford, and was the daughter of Peter & Martha CHARLES. Perhaps ELIZABETH eventually married? The CHARLES family resided in Shropshire Co. for many generations, especially in Burford, before & after the birth of Thomas in 1803. Thomas died there in 1873. My maternal grandfather was Elmer ALLEN and he born about 1894 was orphaned at an early age in the State of Idaho, United States. Recently my maternal uncle consented to do Y-DNA testing and we had an identical match to someone in Canada who is a descendant of Thomas CHARLES. This suggests the possibility that the father of Thomas CHARLES born in 1803 was a Mr. ALLEN. Does anyone know if there is significance to Thomas being born at 8 Old Jewry St in London - what was at that location? What records, if any, might reveal his father's name? There is an Elizabeth CHARLES, of about the right age (60 years) in the 1841 census for the township of Crickheath in the household of 25-year old Cadwaleder JONES but I don't know if she is the mother of Thomas CHARLES. Any ideas or guidance would be very much appreciated. Thanks in advance for your consideration. Glenis House Sherwood Maine United States

There is a rootsweb list specifically for discussing the best ways to record and preserve various forms of genealogical research ... http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Genealogical_Computing/RECORD-KEEPING-METHODOLOGY.html Have subbed to it for a few years now - not terribly busy but very friendly and forthcoming with some greats ideas :-) Heather On 13/01/2011 07:20, Graham Price wrote: > Devastating and enough to bring tears to your eyes when watching. > With all due respect for what has occurred, it is a warning to all > genealogists to ensure that your years of long researching are not > lost if a catastrophe hits your home. > <snip> > Graham > Melbourne > Oz >

Hello Barry I don't have any personal knowledge of Hydraulic Bank but a Google search brought up the fact that a soldier who died in WWI lived there and this came up on the Shropshire War Memorial web site run by Neil Evans so I contacted Neil and he sent me this reply:- "Back in 2006 when I started my research, one of the first places I visited was Priorslee. I live in St. Georges, which neighbours Snedshill. I was fortunate enough to know a chap who was born 1911, in Snedshill. His whole family were native of Snedshill. He passed away in 2009. The name Hydraulic Bank intrigued me, as I'd never heard of it, despite being local myself. My friend informed me Hydraulic Bank was near Snedshill Iron Works and near the brow of the hill on Canongate. I've looked up a few old maps and records. It looks like there were around half a dozen houses that made up the Hydraulic Bank address. The maps I've looked at indicate that there was indeed a row of houses at the top of Canongate, opposite an old Methodist Chapel. Behind the Chapel there were a few buildings, around 4 structures, I suspect that they're linked with the industry in the area. This link to a Google map http://goo.gl/maps/j2yk shows a row of five modern buildings (ten houses?) running parallel with Canongate and is I believe the rough location of Hydraulic Bank. The whole area of what is now Telford has undergone massive redevelopment in the last fifty years. The name Hydraulic Bank, may not have come directly from one industrial location. In the immediate area, were some old blast furnaces, Snedshill Iron Works, brick works, and many mine shafts. It is likely however that the name came from the Priorslee works, which consisted of 4 blast furnaces, and a Steel Mill. The location of this complex was opposite Priorslee Church (St. Peter), which is effectively in Snedshill. Telford's, Central Park, Business site now occupies the site of the old steel works. In the mid to late 1800's the area grew rapidly in size. All of which was down to the Lilleshall Company. The Lilleshall Company owned the land in the area and built several mines, blast furnaces, and industrial works. The need for jobs drew people in and The Lilleshall Company built virtually all the terraced houses in the area, as well as the church at St. Georges, St. Georges school, and even an employees hospital. It's possible the company built the houses at Hydraulic Bank. A book, Lilleshall Company Limited: a history 1764-1964, was/is available in most of Telford libraries, it's an excellent book. I believe one of the Ironbridge Gorge Museums has a large amount of records from the company. I hope I've been of use." Using the information above from Neil I think I can see the Hydraulic Bank houses on the 1902 Ordnance Survey map 1:2,500 scale which you can easily buy as the Oakengates (South) 1901 map in the Godfrey Series, see www.alangodfreymaps.co.uk To locate the houses they are 4 inches from the top and 7 inches from the right of that map, opposite the Methodist Chapel (Primitive). Whilst the properties are not named on this particular map it may be worth looking at a later edition to see if they are named there. If the houses did belong to The Lilleshall Company then there is a large deposit of material at Shropshire Archives as well as the Ironbridge Gorge Museum Library. Mike Shropshire, UK _____________________________________________ On 10/01/2011 21:10, Barry wrote: > My friend is trying to find out how the Hydraulic Bank coming up from > Oakengates to Priorslee got it's name. She also wants to try and find > something about an aerial ropeway from the Bank to the Snedshill Brickworks > -any ideas? > > Regards > > Barry >

A note to those who have relatives and genealogical associates in Australia. Some internet providers may be off line, or extremely slow at the present moment due to the flooding, so you need to have patience re. getting into contact. Graham Melbourne Oz

A note to those who have relatives and genealogical assoiates in Australia. Some internet providers may be off line, or extremely slow at the present moment due to the flooding, so you need to have patience re. getting into contact. Graham Melbourne Oz

PS. I was very lucky to get that out as the internet down here at the moment is in a precarious situation, dropping out a hundred times or more so if you have trouble getting through to rels in Australia, need some patience. Some ISP's have their headquarters in Brisbane. Graham

Devastating and enough to bring tears to your eyes when watching. With all due respect for what has occurred, it is a warning to all genealogists to ensure that your years of long researching are not lost if a catastrophe hits your home. Make sure everything is backed up on disc and distributed to trusted relatives well away from where you live. Make sure that you have copied old photos (which obviously you may be the only one holding) and have again copied these to disk and left with other relatives. There will be many people in Queensland at the moment who have lost their life's possessions, almost in the blink of an eye. It is so sad, but again it is a warning to those of us who have so far been slack in copying and giving to close relatives, so please, do it now before it is too late. Would you want to lose all of it? Best regards Graham Melbourne Oz

Margaret, That's not quite all you know. You know he was alive in 1815 when the last child was born, and you should be able to deduce that he was not of the parish as there are no Pearmain christenings in the St Leonards batches. You should also know Martha's parents and grandparents as she was of the parish and there are lots of Pagett BDM events for siblings and relatives. At a brief look, I could only find ten children. Others only have nine. I also note that many were christened at ages 4 & 5, which distorts the birth distribution. However, none of that helps with the origins of Joseph. There are about 10 listed possibilities on IGI all outside Shropshire, and we don't know how many are not recorded or destroyed. If you look at each of the 10, you will see some died or married others, so they can be eliminated. That will leave a short list. Then it's a case of deciding which one is more likely. I'd favour choosing the nearest county which looks Warwickshire. One there also has a mother Sarah, which is the name given to Joseph and Martha's 3rd child. But that's not conclusive. Perhaps someone has access to St Leonard's PR's and can lookup the 1793 marriage to see if their is an age or parish for Joseph or perhaps a relative as a witness. There are loads of researchers for Pearmian of Bridgnorth on mailing lists and message boards as well as submitted trees on Rootsweb and Ancestry. A number even have descendants of Joseph & Martha. They should be studied closely for any clues. I'd even look for other Pearmian individuals born around 1770. As a teacher of genealogy, I feel there's more that can be done. But it's very labour intensive with minimum rewards for each hour invested. It's up to you if you have the time and patience. Peter in Sydney

Thanks Graham. I have rellies in the Brisbane area and have finally received a return message that they are currently all right. Dianne At 02:30 AM 13/01/2011, you wrote: >PS. I was very lucky to get that out as the internet down here at the >moment is in a precarious situation, dropping out a hundred times or >more so if you have trouble getting through to rels in Australia, >need some patience. Some ISP's have their headquarters in Brisbane. >Graham > > >REMEMBER - The question you are asking may have already been answered. >Threaded Archives at - >http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/Archives > >Searchable Archives at - >http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/ >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can anyone help myself and my friend in Utah to find Joseph Pearmain - we call him 'Top Joseph' the only information we have is his marriage to Martha Paget on the 22nd April 1793 at St. Leonard's Bridgnorth - Joseph was a Saddler and they lived on Raven Street, Bridgnorth, most of their lives - I have written to two Saddlers Guilds, but they have no trace of him - we would like to find his birth, and his death. Joseph and Martha had 12 children - Joseph (11th child) born 15th June 1812 - is our common ancestor. I would be thrilled to receive any information. Thank you. Margaret Horrocks.

Hello to all, I have been "lurking" on this list for some time and thought I should post my research interests. In the main I am looking for ancestors & descendants of Samuel PRITCHARD M Mary HARRIES 1765 St Chads, Shrewsbury 12 Dec 1765. 1-John PRITCHARD, son of John PRITCHARD and Jane BOWEN, was born in 1697 in England and died in 1747 in England. John married Hannah FARNOLLS, daughter of Thomas FARNOLLS and Ann CORFIELD, in 1722. Hannah was born on 27 Apr 1704 in England and died in 1768. They had four children: Thomas Farnolls, William, John, and Samuel. 2-Thomas Farnolls PRITCHARD was born in 1723 in Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England and died in 1777. Thomas married Eleanor RUSSELL. 2-William PRITCHARD was born in 1726 in Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England and died in 1793. 2-John PRITCHARD was born before 1735. 2-Samuel PRITCHARD was born on 25 Aug 1735 in Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England and died in 1808 in Meole Brace, Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England. Samuel married Mary HARRIES, daughter of William HARRIES and Mary DE VISSCHERS, on 22 Dec 1765 in St. Chad's, Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England. Mary was born in 1740 in Churchson, Shropshire, England. They had eight children: Hannah, John, Mary, Elizabeth, Martha, Letitia, Sarah, and Priscilla. 3-Hannah PRITCHARD was born in 1771 in Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England, was christened on 16 Jul 1771 in Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England, died on 14 Apr 1859 in Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England, and was buried in Holy Trinity, Meole Brace, Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England. Hannah married Peter BECK, on 4 Aug 1798 in Meole Brace, Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England. Peter was born in 1761 in Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England. 3-John PRITCHARD was born on 7 Jan 1777 in Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England and died on 16 Oct 1855 in Red River, Manitoba, Canada. 3-Mary PRITCHARD was born in 1772. 3-Elizabeth PRITCHARD was born in 1778. 3-Martha PRITCHARD was born in 1781. 3-Letitia PRITCHARD was born in 1782. 3-Sarah PRITCHARD was born in 1785. 3-Priscilla PRITCHARD was born in 1787. Lyn, In wet Queensland, Australia

Hi Mike Thank you. it looks as if it is the right Ada Hope you are all well. Happy New Year All the best Neita ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Morris" <morrisind@rogers.com> To: <eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 12:56 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-SHROP] Fw: [ENG-LAN-OLDHAM] Roberts > Hi Neita, > I came across the following while doing a search of the Lancashire parish > records. I wonder if she is the Ada you are researching? > > Pendleton is a suburb of Salford. Fredrick street is about 15 minutes walk > to > the south east of Pendleton. > > > Baptism: 7 Sep 1868 St Stephen, Salford, Lancashire, England > Ada Roberts - [Child] of William Roberts & Margaret > Born: 18 Aug 1868 > Abode: 6 Back Frederick St. > Occupation: Tailor > Notes: P. [in margin] > Baptised by: S. G. M. Webb Curate > Register: Baptisms 1865 - 1872, Page 70, Entry 559 > Source: LDS Film 1408728 > > All my best > Mike > > Mike Morris > Toronto Canada > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Veneita Maynard <veneitamaynard@talktalk.net> >> To: eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Sun, January 9, 2011 9:22:54 AM >> Subject: [ENG-SHROP] Fw: [ENG-LAN-OLDHAM] Roberts >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Veneita Maynard" <veneitamaynard@talktalk.net> >> To: <eng-lan-oldham@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 3:26 PM >> Subject: [ENG-LAN-OLDHAM] Roberts >> >> >> > Hi I am looking for some information on a George Thomas Roberts >> > born 1890 Pendleton Lancashire I think his mother was Ada Roberts >> > she had him before marriage. and her sister Emma and Martin Crothers >> > adopted him and went to live in Shropshire Oswestry >> > some of the names I am looking for are Evens Haigh Davis Roberts >> > Veneita >> > Shropshire >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > ENG-LAN-OLDHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> REMEMBER - The question you are asking may have already been answered. >> Threaded Archives at - >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/Archives >> >> Searchable Archives at - >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > REMEMBER - The question you are asking may have already been answered. > Threaded Archives at - > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/Archives > > Searchable Archives at - > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I hope it helps you with your research. Happy New Year. Mike Toronto Canada ----- Original Message ---- > From: Veneita Maynard <veneitamaynard@talktalk.net> > To: eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tue, January 11, 2011 3:02:10 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-SHROP] Fw: [ENG-LAN-OLDHAM] Roberts > > Hi Mike > > Thank you. it looks as if it is the right Ada

Hi Peter Thanks for that, I have not as yet looked up the certificate of death I believe it was in 1887 and will try for the birth cert's. I have tried on Ancestry but not trees are available for her. Regards Barry -----Original Message----- From: Peter Booth [mailto:pbo08596@bigpond.net.au] Sent: 09 January 2011 12:16 To: eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-SHROP] [ENG SHROP] WALKER-RIGBY Barry, There is certainly nothing obvious for a birth of Susannah Walker. I notice too the 1831 marriage is a user submission. So there's strong indication that the records for the particular parish don't exist on IGI. Susannah's birth year around 1812 is right at the change in format of the parish registers and always it's the outside pages that get most damage. But there are any number of reason for records to be unavailable. They could even be non-conformist. I think the only way to solve your problem is to get her death certificate of possibly a birth of one of her later children, which might show her maiden name. I presume you've looked for submitted trees for the couple where others may already have solved the puzzle. Peter

My friend is trying to find out how the Hydraulic Bank coming up from Oakengates to Priorslee got it's name. She also wants to try and find something about an aerial ropeway from the Bank to the Snedshill Brickworks -any ideas? Regards Barry

Here is another in Salford. Mike Morris Toronto Canada IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0 British Isles Search Results | Download | Print ________________________________ Ada Roberts ________________________________ Event(s): Birth: Christening: 18 JUN 1871 St Bartholomew,Salford, , Lancashire, England > ________________________________ Parents: Father: John Roberts Family Mother: Elizabeth ________________________________ Source Information: Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: > > I016154 Film > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: Mike Morris <morrisind@rogers.com> > > To: eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Mon, January 10, 2011 7:56:12 PM > > Subject: Re: [ENG-SHROP] Fw: [ENG-LAN-OLDHAM] Roberts > > > > Hi Neita, > > I came across the following while doing a search of the Lancashire parish > > records.

Hi Neita, I came across the following while doing a search of the Lancashire parish records. I wonder if she is the Ada you are researching? Pendleton is a suburb of Salford. Fredrick street is about 15 minutes walk to the south east of Pendleton. Baptism: 7 Sep 1868 St Stephen, Salford, Lancashire, England Ada Roberts - [Child] of William Roberts & Margaret Born: 18 Aug 1868 Abode: 6 Back Frederick St. Occupation: Tailor Notes: P. [in margin] Baptised by: S. G. M. Webb Curate Register: Baptisms 1865 - 1872, Page 70, Entry 559 Source: LDS Film 1408728 All my best Mike Mike Morris Toronto Canada ----- Original Message ---- > From: Veneita Maynard <veneitamaynard@talktalk.net> > To: eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sun, January 9, 2011 9:22:54 AM > Subject: [ENG-SHROP] Fw: [ENG-LAN-OLDHAM] Roberts > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Veneita Maynard" <veneitamaynard@talktalk.net> > To: <eng-lan-oldham@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 3:26 PM > Subject: [ENG-LAN-OLDHAM] Roberts > > > > Hi I am looking for some information on a George Thomas Roberts > > born 1890 Pendleton Lancashire I think his mother was Ada Roberts > > she had him before marriage. and her sister Emma and Martin Crothers > > adopted him and went to live in Shropshire Oswestry > > some of the names I am looking for are Evens Haigh Davis Roberts > > Veneita > > Shropshire > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ENG-LAN-OLDHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > REMEMBER - The question you are asking may have already been answered. > Threaded Archives at - > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/Archives > > Searchable Archives at - > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Barry, There is certainly nothing obvious for a birth of Susannah Walker. I notice too the 1831 marriage is a user submission. So there's strong indication that the records for the particular parish don't exist on IGI. Susannah's birth year around 1812 is right at the change in format of the parish registers and always it's the outside pages that get most damage. But there are any number of reason for records to be unavailable. They could even be non-conformist. I think the only way to solve your problem is to get her death certificate of possibly a birth of one of her later children, which might show her maiden name. I presume you've looked for submitted trees for the couple where others may already have solved the puzzle. Peter

----- Original Message ----- From: "Veneita Maynard" <veneitamaynard@talktalk.net> To: <eng-lan-oldham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 3:26 PM Subject: [ENG-LAN-OLDHAM] Roberts > Hi I am looking for some information on a George Thomas Roberts > born 1890 Pendleton Lancashire I think his mother was Ada Roberts > she had him before marriage. and her sister Emma and Martin Crothers > adopted him and went to live in Shropshire Oswestry > some of the names I am looking for are Evens Haigh Davis Roberts > Veneita > Shropshire > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LAN-OLDHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message