Hi Susie, Journeyman from French means a person employed on a daily basis. Could it be clicker? If yes, then it depends on the trade-links to shoe making, printing, etc. http://rmhh.co.uk/occup/index.html is quite a useful site for such things. HTH Sherry Landa, Oxford, UK > On 1901 census i have my family of JOHN and AMELIA WATKINS in LUDLOW their Son JOHN gives his occupation as a Journeyman and another word that looks like Cricker > does anyone know what this means please

Hello Susie Can you please check your message. I can't find a John & Amelia WATKINS in Ludlow in 1901. Do you have the page reference RG.13/???? folio ?? page ?? Otherwise please give the ages or years of birth. Which web site did you find them on? Mike Shropshire, UK __________________________________ On 15/02/2011 12:21, Susie Pateman wrote: > On 1901 census i have my family of JOHN and AMELIA WATKINS in LUDLOW their Son JOHN gives his occupation as a Journeyman and another word that looks like Cricker > does anyone know what this means please > > Susie > researching WATKINS, ECCLESTON, WEAVER, BENTLEY, WILSON in Ludlow and Cardiff > > REMEMBER - The question you are asking may have already been answered. > Threaded Archives at - > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/Archives > > Searchable Archives at - > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

On 1901 census i have my family of JOHN and AMELIA WATKINS in LUDLOW their Son JOHN gives his occupation as a Journeyman and another word that looks like Cricker does anyone know what this means please Susie researching WATKINS, ECCLESTON, WEAVER, BENTLEY, WILSON in Ludlow and Cardiff

I just Googled the Clicker & found this under 'old trades' see below Dawn BOOT / SHOE CLICKER this was one of the skilled and best paid jobs in the shoe industry. A clicker CUT out the leather for the different parts that made up the shoe and the term comes from the sound made when carrying out the job. -----Original Message----- From: eng-shropshire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-shropshire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dawn Griffis Sent: 15 February 2011 11:22 AM To: eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-SHROP] Watkins Journeyman Journeyman frequently means a person who has completed the required amount of schooling or apprentiship and passed a final exam. It is usually in the trades e.g. electrician, plumber, carpenter, cabinet maker etc the next stage is to become a Master- electrician etc that requires more experience, education & passing an exam. As far as I know this was started in the UK and has since travelled to at least the US & Canada. My grandfather b1876 was a Journeyman & Master Cabinet maker as was my father b 1914 my husband an American was a Journeyman electrician. They all received special documentation showing what they were a Journeymen or Master of what ever trade it was in. I do not know what a clicker was, maybe you could Google it as a profession to find out. Hope this helps Dawn -----Original Message----- From: eng-shropshire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-shropshire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sherry with Sky Sent: 15 February 2011 11:00 AM To: eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-SHROP] Watkins Journeyman Hi Susie, Journeyman from French means a person employed on a daily basis. Could it be clicker? If yes, then it depends on the trade-links to shoe making, printing, etc. http://rmhh.co.uk/occup/index.html is quite a useful site for such things. HTH Sherry Landa, Oxford, UK > On 1901 census i have my family of JOHN and AMELIA WATKINS in LUDLOW their Son JOHN gives his occupation as a Journeyman and another word that looks like Cricker > does anyone know what this means please REMEMBER - The question you are asking may have already been answered. Threaded Archives at - http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/Archives Searchable Archives at - http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message REMEMBER - The question you are asking may have already been answered. Threaded Archives at - http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/Archives Searchable Archives at - http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Journeyman frequently means a person who has completed the required amount of schooling or apprentiship and passed a final exam. It is usually in the trades e.g. electrician, plumber, carpenter, cabinet maker etc the next stage is to become a Master- electrician etc that requires more experience, education & passing an exam. As far as I know this was started in the UK and has since travelled to at least the US & Canada. My grandfather b1876 was a Journeyman & Master Cabinet maker as was my father b 1914 my husband an American was a Journeyman electrician. They all received special documentation showing what they were a Journeymen or Master of what ever trade it was in. I do not know what a clicker was, maybe you could Google it as a profession to find out. Hope this helps Dawn -----Original Message----- From: eng-shropshire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-shropshire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sherry with Sky Sent: 15 February 2011 11:00 AM To: eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-SHROP] Watkins Journeyman Hi Susie, Journeyman from French means a person employed on a daily basis. Could it be clicker? If yes, then it depends on the trade-links to shoe making, printing, etc. http://rmhh.co.uk/occup/index.html is quite a useful site for such things. HTH Sherry Landa, Oxford, UK > On 1901 census i have my family of JOHN and AMELIA WATKINS in LUDLOW their Son JOHN gives his occupation as a Journeyman and another word that looks like Cricker > does anyone know what this means please REMEMBER - The question you are asking may have already been answered. Threaded Archives at - http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/Archives Searchable Archives at - http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Sherry, any chance you can send me a copy of this so I can see myself what is written ? Thank you Mike Morris Toronto Canada > Sherry Landa, Oxford, UK > On 1901 census i have my family of JOHN and AMELIA WATKINS in LUDLOW their Son JOHN gives his occupation as a Journeyman and another word that looks like Cricker <snip>

I have come across the name 'Clicker' used by people operating a cutting die. A clicker die was used to cut out the shapes of the soles in leather. In modern times its used in the plastic vacuum forming industry to cut out the shape of a product from the waste area. The die is usually made of thick plywood and embedded in the wood face would be a razor sharp strip of metal in the shape of the product about to be cut. It would take a special type of die maker to make a clicker die. Mike Morris Toronto Canada ----- Original Message ---- > From: Dawn Griffis <dg21340@comcast.net> > To: eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tue, February 15, 2011 11:22:27 AM > Subject: Re: [ENG-SHROP] Watkins Journeyman > > Journeyman frequently means a person who has completed the required amount > of schooling or apprentiship and passed a final exam. It is usually in the > trades e.g. electrician, plumber, carpenter, cabinet maker etc the next > stage is to become a Master- electrician etc that requires more experience, > education & passing an exam. As far as I know this was started in the UK and > has since travelled to at least the US & Canada. My grandfather b1876 was a > Journeyman & Master Cabinet maker as was my father b 1914 my husband an > American was a Journeyman electrician. They all received special > documentation showing what they were a Journeymen or Master of what ever > trade it was in. I do not know what a clicker was, maybe you could Google it > as a profession to find out. > Hope this helps > Dawn > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-shropshire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-shropshire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sherry with > Sky > Sent: 15 February 2011 11:00 AM > To: eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-SHROP] Watkins Journeyman > > Hi Susie, > > Journeyman from French means a person employed on a daily basis. > > Could it be clicker? If yes, then it depends on the trade-links to > shoe making, printing, etc. http://rmhh.co.uk/occup/index.html is > quite a useful site for such things. > > HTH > Sherry Landa, Oxford, UK > > > On 1901 census i have my family of JOHN and AMELIA WATKINS in LUDLOW their > Son JOHN gives his occupation as a Journeyman and another word that looks > like Cricker > > does anyone know what this means please > > REMEMBER - The question you are asking may have already been answered. > Threaded Archives at - > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/Archives > > Searchable Archives at - > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > REMEMBER - The question you are asking may have already been answered. > Threaded Archives at - > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/Archives > > Searchable Archives at - > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Carole Where did you get the information that Samuel was born at Mitton? It does not appear on the 1871 census. Mike Shropshire, UK _______________________________________ On 13/02/2011 17:17, carole williams wrote: > > Hello > > I have a Samuel AMES/HAYNES on the 1871 census who says he was 41 and born in Mitton, Shifnal, Salop. > > Please does anyone have any idea where people born in Mitton around 1830 would have been christened? > > Carole > > > REMEMBER - The question you are asking may have already been answered. > Threaded Archives at - > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/Archives > > Searchable Archives at - > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hello I have a Samuel AMES/HAYNES on the 1871 census who says he was 41 and born in Mitton, Shifnal, Salop. Please does anyone have any idea where people born in Mitton around 1830 would have been christened? Carole

At 09:42 AM 11/02/2011, David wrote: >Barbara >You'll find that it's a Transcript produced early last century by the >Shropshire Parish Register Society. These contain all the pertinent details >that were in the original register. If that's the case then it will be extremely accurate. I have been working with SPRS records for years and have found them to be spot on. Graham Melbourne Oz

Barbara You'll find that it's a Transcript produced early last century by the Shropshire Parish Register Society. These contain all the pertinent details that were in the original register. David Armstrong Maylands, Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: Barbara Cocker Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 10:47 PM Thanks Judy and Nivard. I am familiar with film ordering and have looked at the film for the 1800's. I want to see earlier records but I don't want to order the earlier film 510685 if it is a typed transcript giving me exactly what is on the IGI. I would like to see the original and wondered if it is available somewhere. Barbara

Thanks Judy and Nivard. I am familiar with film ordering and have looked at the film for the 1800's. I want to see earlier records but I don't want to order the earlier film 510685 if it is a typed transcript giving me exactly what is on the IGI. I would like to see the original and wondered if it is available somewhere. Barbara >> If you can visit an LDS library then you can order Wombridge Parish >> Registers to >> view at the LDS library. I'm not sure of the ordering process in Austalia as >> it's recently changed in England. In England we now need to check >> their online >> catalogue (on the familysearch website) to get the film number and >> then we order >> the films online (at home or at a centre) > Barbara, the situation in Oz is the same. You can go to an LDS family > history library centre to view the film when it arrives, but first > pick a centre close to you, which must be recognized by the website > upon which you order the film bcause that is where the film will be > sent to. There is a special entry point on the website (after you > have signed in) for Australia/New Zealand because the films are > cheaper, virtually half the price what Judy is paying. Do not click > into 'International.' First, you have to create an account. Go to > the website at > <https://film.familysearch.org/>https://film.familysearch.org/ and > go from there. If you need further advice on this then perhaps it is > best to go to your nearest (if you can) LDS FH centre. > > The film you mention, 510685, will give you the entries you need to > see because although it is a transcript it does contain Baptisms, > 1721-1775, 1782-1812 -- Burials, 1721-1775, 1793-1812. (Some years > missing, unfortunately). There are also a couple of other films to > be found on the old Family Search site within the library catalog: > e.g. Parish registers 1721-1754 and Bishop's transcripts 1799-1868, > the latter which may be too late for you. > > Happy hunting > Graham > Melbourne > Oz > > >

At 08:12 PM 10/02/2011, Judy wrote: >If you can visit an LDS library then you can order Wombridge Parish >Registers to >view at the LDS library. I'm not sure of the ordering process in Austalia as >it's recently changed in England. In England we now need to check >their online >catalogue (on the familysearch website) to get the film number and >then we order >the films online (at home or at a centre) Barbara, the situation in Oz is the same. You can go to an LDS family history library centre to view the film when it arrives, but first pick a centre close to you, which must be recognized by the website upon which you order the film bcause that is where the film will be sent to. There is a special entry point on the website (after you have signed in) for Australia/New Zealand because the films are cheaper, virtually half the price what Judy is paying. Do not click into 'International.' First, you have to create an account. Go to the website at <https://film.familysearch.org/>https://film.familysearch.org/ and go from there. If you need further advice on this then perhaps it is best to go to your nearest (if you can) LDS FH centre. The film you mention, 510685, will give you the entries you need to see because although it is a transcript it does contain Baptisms, 1721-1775, 1782-1812 -- Burials, 1721-1775, 1793-1812. (Some years missing, unfortunately). There are also a couple of other films to be found on the old Family Search site within the library catalog: e.g. Parish registers 1721-1754 and Bishop's transcripts 1799-1868, the latter which may be too late for you. Happy hunting Graham Melbourne Oz

If you can visit an LDS library then you can order Wombridge Parish Registers to view at the LDS library. I'm not sure of the ordering process in Austalia as it's recently changed in England. In England we now need to check their online catalogue (on the familysearch website) to get the film number and then we order the films online (at home or at a centre) at £7.50 a film (English pounds), the film hire is for 3 months. I've ordered Wombridge films from them in the past so know they can be ordered. Judy ________________________________ From: Barbara Cocker <cockertoo@iinet.net.au> To: eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, 10 February, 2011 1:09:18 Subject: [ENG-SHROP] Wombridge Records My CADMAN family originated from Wombridge. I have had 1 film for Wombridge covering the early 1800's  Going backwards film 510685 is described as Parish register transcripts - is that just a typed version? I read somewhere that the original films are at the Shropshire Library - a bit far for me! Are the films for pre 1800 available anywhere else? cheers Barbara REMEMBER - The question you are asking may have already been answered. Threaded Archives at - http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/Archives Searchable Archives at - http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My CADMAN family originated from Wombridge. I have had 1 film for Wombridge covering the early 1800's Going backwards film 510685 is described as Parish register transcripts - is that just a typed version? I read somewhere that the original films are at the Shropshire Library - a bit far for me! Are the films for pre 1800 available anywhere else? cheers Barbara

I suppose, being 87 years old, she may have been living there for a long time prior to the beginning of the war. Makes one wonder, though! Graham

Very kind of you. The information raises some questions. What was a British subject, in particular a female, doing in Germany during WWI? Was she a nurse who may have been captured? Was she the wife of someone who had diplomatic relations (or other) with the Germans? Fascinating. Brings up all sorts of ideas. Was she caught up in the war prior to 1914 and could not get back to England? Graham Melbourne Oz At 10:03 PM 6/02/2011, you wrote: >Hi all > >I'm new to this list (but not to Rootsweb) - and I joined to share some >information that I stumbled across yesterday.

On 06/02/2011 11:27, Graham Price wrote: > Very kind of you. The information raises some questions. What was a > British subject, in particular a female, doing in Germany during WWI? > Was she a nurse who may have been captured? Was she the wife of > someone who had diplomatic relations (or other) with the Germans? > Fascinating. Brings up all sorts of ideas. Was she caught up in the > war prior to 1914 and could not get back to England? Well... she was 87 years old, so probably wouldn't have been in a position to travel back to England when war broke out even if she had wanted to. If she is the Mary Jenkins I found in the 1851 census then she was in service. There is something written in her death entry which I couldn't quite make out but which looks like it could be "Kinderfrau" - i.e., someone who looks after children. So the most likely scenario is that she was in service in Germany and stayed there after retirement. What's interesting is that she died in Schwerin (the provincial capital) but was buried in Ludwigslust, some 20 miles away. Maybe enemy aliens, even frail elderly ones, were interned in Schwerin and her employers brought her "home" for burial? But all this is probably well outside the scope of this Shropshire list!! Angelika

Hello Angelika Thank you for this information. I have forwarded it to the Shropshire FHS Strays Co-Ordinator so that it can be added to that valuable source. Anyone wanting to see the Shropshire Strays already recorded should go to www.sfhs.org.uk and select Resources on the left then scroll down the next page. Mike Shropshire, UK _________________________________ On 06/02/2011 11:03, Angelika wrote: > Hi all > > I'm new to this list (but not to Rootsweb) - and I joined to share some > information that I stumbled across yesterday. > > Mary Jenkins, born in Bridgnorth in 1829, died on 28 January 1917 in > Schwerin in Germany and was buried on 31 January in Ludwigslust. Her age > is given as 87 years, 8 months and 26 days. > > Knowing how infuriating it is when people just "disappear" (here in one > census, gone in the next, no death record) I thought I'd post this here > as it's unlikely that people go looking for a Shropshire relative in a > small provincial town in Germany! > > Angelika

Hi all I'm new to this list (but not to Rootsweb) - and I joined to share some information that I stumbled across yesterday. Mary Jenkins, born in Bridgnorth in 1829, died on 28 January 1917 in Schwerin in Germany and was buried on 31 January in Ludwigslust. Her age is given as 87 years, 8 months and 26 days. Knowing how infuriating it is when people just "disappear" (here in one census, gone in the next, no death record) I thought I'd post this here as it's unlikely that people go looking for a Shropshire relative in a small provincial town in Germany! Angelika