Helen, Aren't Smith & Jones wonderful surnames to trace. You never run short of possibilities. You missed a critical bit of information. Where was Louisa's birth registered? Look at the 1881 census and then find it in FreeBMD. Like you, my guess would be that Ann died in childbirth or shortly after. So I think you should only have to look in two places (1) where Louisa was born or (2) the nearest registry to Baschurch. It might also be worth checking where Elizabeth Dobson died. Presumably she was still with the family when she died. Peter

Hello Helen You don't say where you obtained these details but the Printed Parish Register for St Mary's, Shrewsbury shows the following:- 1791 July 23 Edward, son of Saml. SMITH and Anne, Baptised. Unfortunately the printed register only goes up to the end of 1812. Mike Shropshire, UK __________________________________ On 13/04/2011 08:02, Helen Limmer wrote: > Greetings > > Please can anyone help? > > 1. Edward SMITH – christening record 23 July 1791- St Mary’s, Shrewsbury > > 2. Samuel SMITH – christening record 21 Feb 1816 – St Mary’s, Shrewsbury > > Any more available detail would be much appreciated > > Sorry about that surname! There are so many of them ...... > > Many thanks from New Zealand > > Helen > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > REMEMBER - The question you are asking may have already been answered. > Threaded Archives at - > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/Archives > > Searchable Archives at - > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Helen You certainly have a problem but I suppose one of the 'least difficult' approaches might be to search the Baschurch burial register for the period to establish whether the burial took place there. It is available on microfiche at Shropshire Archives and may be available through your local Mormon Family History Centre. If you can't search it locally you will need to find someone in Shropshire to do it for you. If you need to pay for the research then a private researcher will probably be cheaper. Mike Shropshire, UK _______________________________________ On 14/04/2011 07:48, Helen Limmer wrote: > Greetings > > Advice please, I’m a bit perplexed! > > In 1871 census Samuel& Ann SMITH and five children are living in > Brandon St, Liverpool, Lancashire. Ann’s mother, Elizabeth DOBSON is > also recorded there. > > In 1881, the census shows the family has moved to Baschurch, > Shropshire. Samuel is described as ‘widower’. A 9 yr old daughter > Louisa is recorded. Is there any way to find out when they moved? > > The question is when and where did wife Ann die? > > I presume it would be after 1872 because of Louisa’s age. Ann may > have died in childbirth? Or anytime up to April 1881.... In > Shropshire or Lancashire? > > There are many, many deceased Ann Smiths of accurate age, in both > districts, over the 9 year span, recorded through various sites. She > does not have a middle name on their Marriage Certificate. > > With the wee challenge of this name, can our Ann be found? > > Many thanks > > Helen > > > > > > > > > > > > > REMEMBER - The question you are asking may have already been > answered. Threaded Archives at - > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/Archives > > Searchable Archives at - > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/ > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please > send an email to ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message

Greetings Please can anyone help? 1. Edward SMITH – christening record 23 July 1791- St Mary’s, Shrewsbury 2. Samuel SMITH – christening record 21 Feb 1816 – St Mary’s, Shrewsbury Any more available detail would be much appreciated Sorry about that surname! There are so many of them ...... Many thanks from New Zealand Helen --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>From my transcription:- 1791 July 23 Baptism Edward, s. of Saml. Smith & Anne. My transcription only goes to 1812, I'm afraid. David Steel Adelaide -----Original Message----- From: eng-shropshire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-shropshire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Helen Limmer Sent: Wednesday, 13 April 2011 4:33 PM To: eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-SHROP] St Marys Shrewsbury Greetings Please can anyone help? 1. Edward SMITH – christening record 23 July 1791- St Mary’s, Shrewsbury 2. Samuel SMITH – christening record 21 Feb 1816 – St Mary’s, Shrewsbury Any more available detail would be much appreciated Sorry about that surname! There are so many of them ...... Many thanks from New Zealand Helen -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- REMEMBER - The question you are asking may have already been answered. Threaded Archives at - http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/Archives Searchable Archives at - http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Lois Only just spotted your message I managed to get the info I wanted from another kind lister But thank you for your reply Susie

Thanks Michael, ahhh sorry Anne, having a senior moment there. It would have been the printed version and that's of no help to you. <:-| . Graham

Hi Susie, No problem. Glad you got what you wanted. Cheers, Lois -----Original Message----- From: Susie Pateman <susieqp@btinternet.com> To: eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:17 am Subject: [ENG-SHROP] Watkins Hi Lois Only just spotted your message I managed to get the info I wanted from another kind lister But thank you for your reply Susie REMEMBER - The question you are asking may have already been answered. Threaded Archives at - http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/Archives Searchable Archives at - http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Anne I'm not sure whether Graham is intending to look at a film of the Printed Parish Register or a film of the original register but I would point out that the Printed Parish Register ends at 31st Dec 1812 so you must rely on the original register, or at least a film copy of it. Mike Shropshire, UK ___________________________________ On 04/04/2011 10:14, Graham Price wrote: > > Hello Anne > Things very quiet on this list of late. Ho hum. > > If you can wait a couple of weeks, (seems you can!) I have access to > St. Mary's at our State Library of Victoria and could be going there > 18th April, so shall have a bo-peep for you. I wouldn't expect too > much though as the regs at that early time didn't give all that much > info, but I think you will find that there will be the names of > witnesses, so that could be a bonus especially if one or two were > family. Doubt if addresses will be given, such as district. Usually > they kept it as within St. Mary's. > > Anyway, please remind me with an email prior to April 18th just in > case I suddenly come down with that Senior's disease of forget-me-now! > > Graham > Melbourne > Oz > > > At 09:38 PM 3/04/2011, you wrote: > >> If by any chance anyone will be looking at a film of these records >> in the next few weeks... >> >> Could you please look at a 02 July 1819 marriage of John Billington >> and Ann Barrett to see if there is any additional information >> included beyound the above, >> >> I just have not been able to fit in ordering films recently. >> Will be much appreciative >> Anne in Aurora IL >> >> >> >> >> "Happiness is not a destination. It is the attitude with which you >> choose to travel." Yogi Arit Desal >> >> REMEMBER - The question you are asking may have already been answered. >> Threaded Archives at - >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/Archives >> >> Searchable Archives at - >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > REMEMBER - The question you are asking may have already been answered. > Threaded Archives at - > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/Archives > > Searchable Archives at - > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hello Anne Things very quiet on this list of late. Ho hum. If you can wait a couple of weeks, (seems you can!) I have access to St. Mary's at our State Library of Victoria and could be going there 18th April, so shall have a bo-peep for you. I wouldn't expect too much though as the regs at that early time didn't give all that much info, but I think you will find that there will be the names of witnesses, so that could be a bonus especially if one or two were family. Doubt if addresses will be given, such as district. Usually they kept it as within St. Mary's. Anyway, please remind me with an email prior to April 18th just in case I suddenly come down with that Senior's disease of forget-me-now! Graham Melbourne Oz At 09:38 PM 3/04/2011, you wrote: >If by any chance anyone will be looking at a film of these records >in the next few weeks... > >Could you please look at a 02 July 1819 marriage of John Billington >and Ann Barrett to see if there is any additional information >included beyound the above, > >I just have not been able to fit in ordering films recently. >Will be much appreciative >Anne in Aurora IL > > > > >"Happiness is not a destination. It is the attitude with which you >choose to travel." Yogi Arit Desal > >REMEMBER - The question you are asking may have already been answered. >Threaded Archives at - >http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/Archives > >Searchable Archives at - >http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/ >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If by any chance anyone will be looking at a film of these records in the next few weeks... Could you please look at a 02 July 1819 marriage of John Billington and Ann Barrett to see if there is any additional information included beyound the above, I just have not been able to fit in ordering films recently. Will be much appreciative Anne in Aurora IL "Happiness is not a destination. It is the attitude with which you choose to travel." Yogi Arit Desal

Does anyone have access to 1861 census for Ludlow and would they be kind enough to look up the family of Jane and or John Watkins I have them on 51c with jane as head, and on 71c with john as head Also if anyone can find them on 1911c that would be wonderful susie

Hi Susie, I see several. Do you have a birth year for Jane or John? Cheers, Lois -----Original Message----- From: Susie Pateman <susieqp@btinternet.com> To: eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, Apr 2, 2011 11:26 am Subject: [ENG-SHROP] Watkins Does anyone have access to 1861 census for Ludlow and would they be kind enough to look up the family of Jane and or John Watkins I have them on 51c with jane as head, and on 71c with john as head Also if anyone can find them on 1911c that would be wonderful susie REMEMBER - The question you are asking may have already been answered. Threaded Archives at - http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/Archives Searchable Archives at - http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Please note my new e-mail address: margaret.horrockshorrocks@btinternet.com If you have sent me any e-mails during the last few days, would you please send them again to the new address. Thank you, Margaret

Aileen, A difficult one, I'm afraid. But when the answer is found, it will appear so simple. If you use the 1911 site, go to Advanced Search and you can use wildcards and so forth. I managed to get down to about 40 possibilities, but that was only in Warwickshire. We don't know if he moved out of the county. Where did he marry? If you go to FindMyPast, you may get better results on their surname variants. You can also try words like cycle in occupation. Sorry I couldn't find him. But I tried. Peter

Hello Aileen As far as the 1901 census is concerned have a look at RG13/2884 Fol 12 Page 16 where there is a William DURAS / DURN who seems to fit. Hopefully you may be able to confirm or refute this because he is living with his sister and brother-in-law. Someone else has obviously looked at this family because the transcribed name has had an alternative spelling added by a John Perry just a few days ago. Mike Shropshire, UK ___________________________________ On 14/03/2011 18:25, A durn wrote: > I am hoping someone on the list can help me, > Since the 1911 census became available, I have been trying to find a member of > my family, > As I still cant find him in 1901 I am struggling > > William DURN ( maybe Dearn ) born 1872, not married as far as I know, > he married 1920, and stated bachelor ... born Birmingham (Halesowen) > usually describes himself as cycle maker or worker. > > any help very gratefully received > Aileen

I am hoping someone on the list can help me, Since the 1911 census became available, I have been trying to find a member of my family, As I still cant find him in 1901 I am struggling William DURN ( maybe Dearn ) born 1872, not married as far as I know, he married 1920, and stated bachelor ... born Birmingham (Halesowen) usually describes himself as cycle maker or worker. any help very gratefully received Aileen

It was in the subject line as Market Drayton. Jan

Hello Jan You quote a date of marriage as 22 May 1792 but you don't say where it was. Assuming it was in the north east of Shropshire then any marriage licence will be at Lichfield Record Office http://www.staffordshire.gov.uk/leisure/archives/contact/LichfieldRecordOffice/ Mike ________________________________ On 10/03/2011 16:28, Jan wrote: > I have been looking for a marriage of Robert Wade and Ellen his wife. He gives his hometown as Newcastle under Lyme in the children's birth baptisms later. I cannot find a marriage to an Ellen but have found the lady in question by the name of Eleanor Preston. I have found her death and the details match this lady's birth. She was baptized in Market Drayton 27 August 1775, daughter of William Preston. > When she married Robert Wade 22 May 1792 she was pregnant. She also was a minor. > Does anyone have access to the marriage record for this marriage and if she admitted to being underage so needing a licence. If so can anyone advise me the best place to look for the licence info? > > Jan > > REMEMBER - The question you are asking may have already been answered. > Threaded Archives at - > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/Archives > > Searchable Archives at - > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I have been looking for a marriage of Robert Wade and Ellen his wife. He gives his hometown as Newcastle under Lyme in the children's birth baptisms later. I cannot find a marriage to an Ellen but have found the lady in question by the name of Eleanor Preston. I have found her death and the details match this lady's birth. She was baptized in Market Drayton 27 August 1775, daughter of William Preston. When she married Robert Wade 22 May 1792 she was pregnant. She also was a minor. Does anyone have access to the marriage record for this marriage and if she admitted to being underage so needing a licence. If so can anyone advise me the best place to look for the licence info? Jan