----- Original Message ----- From: "judy olsen" To: <ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 3:57 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-SHROP] Humphrey LLOYD, Slater, x4 grandfather > Have you ever taken a sliced loaf out of the freezer and then tried to > split off a single slice? That is the best analogy I can think of for > making slates. [snipped] Thank you for the narrative, Judy. Our 2 x g-gf was a slater all his working life (Stockport). so I found it quite interesting. Toni ~ Ontario

Hello Carol I presume your Henry WYKE was born at Leaton (not Leighton) which is a hamlet about one mile south west of Wrockwardine which is presumably where he would have been baptised. Just to clarify this point we do have a Leighton parish in Shropshire, about four miles south of Wrockwardine and we also have another Leaton about four miles north west of Shrewsbury. This latter Leaton (near Bomere Heath) did not become a parish until 1859/60. Mike ______________________________________________________ Caswyke@aol.com wrote: > Is there any chance that someone could look up the christening or birth of > Henry Wyke for me in the Wrockwardine or Leighton egisters. He gives his birth > as in both places and as either 1834 or 1838. His parents were Benjamin and > Emma Wyke. > > Carol Buchan > > > ==== ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS Mailing List ==== > WHY not visit the Shropshire Genuki site. > It really is a mine of information. > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/SAL/ > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > >

Hello All, Firstly thanks to Richard in NZ, Mike, and Judy for sending me a response. Judy, I was fascinated to read of the slate descriptions, methods of use. Mike, for your info about the National Slate Museum Richard, for the 1851 census info. In reviewing my original letter, I see that I have made a horrible error with the date of Humphrey & Elizabeth's marriage. NOT, 1897, SHOULD be 1797. I do apologize to everyone for any inconvenience this has caused, So sorry, Regards, Marjorie

Hello With regard to the occupation of 'Slater' I would suggest that this probably refers to a person who puts slates on a roof and therefore moves around to where houses were being built rather than a person who splits slate in a quarry for later use by the Slater. If anyone wants to see how slates are split then they can see it being done at the National Slate Museum, Llanberis, see http://www.museumwales.ac.uk/en/slate/ where there is a photograph of someone splitting slate on the front page. Mike ______________________________________________________ Graham Price wrote: > At 06:57 PM 29/03/2006, judy olsen wrote: >> Have you ever taken a sliced loaf out of the freezer and then tried >> to split off a single slice? That is the best analogy I can think of >> for making slates. >> >> About 35 years ago I was taken to see the men splitting slates, >> somewhere up a hillside in Wales>>>>>>. > > Oh Judy, that is the most incredible and evocative description I have > ever heard of or seen re. slaters. Bless you. > Graham > > > > ==== ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS Mailing List ==== > TO post a message to the list for *every* subscriber to read, please > *always* use - > ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > >

Have you ever taken a sliced loaf out of the freezer and then tried to split off a single slice? That is the best analogy I can think of for making slates. About 35 years ago I was taken to see the men splitting slates, somewhere up a hillside in Wales. They used hand tools to separate the layers and create ever thinner slices. It would seem reasonable to assume that the same process was used 70 or 80 years before and when you think of the nature of slate it makes sense. Transporting uncut slate would be costly and lead to a lot of breakages. When slates are transported in a lorry or are placed ready for roofing they are stacked very carefully on their ends, so that the weight on each is minimised and spread over the surface, and they support each other. So I think your slater would be doing what a slater does today ie working on roofs using ready cut slates delivered to the site. Where would he work? There would have been a demand for slaters in any area where slate roofs were traditional and also for selected buildings over a wider area. Slate roofs have to be maintained and sometimes completely replaced - not necessarily with new slates, the old ones will be taken off, stacked and then replaced. So he would not have to be working all the time on new buildings. As a rule of thumb, slates are predominant in the north and north west and in industrial districts and less common in southern rural areas where clay tiles and even thatch are predominant. Judy On 29 Mar 2006, at 06:11, JMTsparks@aol.com wrote: > Good Morning, List, > > I hope that someone may be able to uncover Humphrey LLOYD'S roots. > I am not > having much luck. > > Humphrey LLOYD married Elizabeth BARKLEY by bond of GBP 500 and > also a > license in Aug 1897, in Ellesmere. > > On most of their 8 children's birth records he is a SLATER. > They born in a few various places, Duddleston, Shrewsbury, > Colcham, Castle > Foregate. > > Would a SLATER have to keep moving in order to work? Work where? A > quarry? a > mine, just cut and install slate for roofs? > > Might he have been born in neighboring Wales and learned the trade > there? > > I welcome any ideas, theories any bits at all. I cannot find a > birth, a > death or any census for this family. I do not have access to the > 1841. I do have > access to all other census, and am certainly willing to trade info and > precious time. > > Regards, > Marjorie Lloyd, Nevada, USA > > > ==== ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS Mailing List ==== > DO NOT send virus/worm/hoax warnings to the list. If you receive a > suspicious e-mail with an attachment, delete it. > Virus discussions are a no-no. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

hi, Would someone with access to census records be able to look for a Thomas Dugan in the 1861 or 1851 Wellington census? A while back, some nice people on this list helped me to find Owen Dugan and his wife, Bridget Fallon, in the 1861 and 1871 Wellington census. They were both from Galway. Just yesterday, I was able to get over to my local Family History Center where I had ordered the parish register film for Saint Patrick's RC church in Wellington. I got lucky right away and found Owen and Bridget's marriage in October of 1860. The record says that Owen's father was Thoma. I assume that's Latinized Thomas. So, I'm hoping to find a Thomas Dugan in Wellington around that time. One thing of interest: I found five or six Dugan records on that film roll. Each time, the name was spelled differently, although the family was the same. There was Dugan, Duggan, Duggin, Doogan and Doughan. Very creative. I'm afraid a thorough search would have to include these variants. Thanks, John F

Is there any chance that someone could look up the christening or birth of Henry Wyke for me in the Wrockwardine or Leighton egisters. He gives his birth as in both places and as either 1834 or 1838. His parents were Benjamin and Emma Wyke. Carol Buchan

Good Morning, List, I hope that someone may be able to uncover Humphrey LLOYD'S roots. I am not having much luck. Humphrey LLOYD married Elizabeth BARKLEY by bond of GBP 500 and also a license in Aug 1897, in Ellesmere. On most of their 8 children's birth records he is a SLATER. They born in a few various places, Duddleston, Shrewsbury, Colcham, Castle Foregate. Would a SLATER have to keep moving in order to work? Work where? A quarry? a mine, just cut and install slate for roofs? Might he have been born in neighboring Wales and learned the trade there? I welcome any ideas, theories any bits at all. I cannot find a birth, a death or any census for this family. I do not have access to the 1841. I do have access to all other census, and am certainly willing to trade info and precious time. Regards, Marjorie Lloyd, Nevada, USA

Since you are in the UK why not phone up the local record office? If you have the date the photocopies shouldn't cost more than a couple of quid. You usually have to sign a copyright form as well. Judy On 28 Mar 2006, at 22:53, Wendy Lewis wrote: > Big Ask, I know. But is there any chance that anyone with easy > access to the Barwick Parish Registers could please look up the > baptisms of Harriet Hodges, born 1824 in Barwick and, if possible, > also her sister, Sarah Hodges, born 1828/1829? > > I am desperate to find out the details of their parents. > > Very many thanks to anyone who can help. > > Wendy Lewis > > > ==== ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS Mailing List ==== > TO view Eng-Shropshire-Plus archived messages click here: http:// > lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS.html > If you're new to the list, there may be something useful in the > archives > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Oops, wrong list - meant to send it to Somerset list. Sorry. Previous message:- Big Ask, I know. But is there any chance that anyone with easy access to the Barwick Parish Registers could please look up the baptisms of Harriet Hodges, born 1824 in Barwick and, if possible, also her sister, Sarah Hodges, born 1828/1829? I am desperate to find out the details of their parents. Very many thanks to anyone who can help. Wendy Lewis

Big Ask, I know. But is there any chance that anyone with easy access to the Barwick Parish Registers could please look up the baptisms of Harriet Hodges, born 1824 in Barwick and, if possible, also her sister, Sarah Hodges, born 1828/1829? I am desperate to find out the details of their parents. Very many thanks to anyone who can help. Wendy Lewis

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Hi I am trying to trace the history of my Granddads family and would be grateful if anyone can help me with the following: My Great, great granddad was Charles Pearce b.1849 in Ludlow His parents were Roger Pearce b.1787 Stokesay and married in 1826 a Hannah Holland b.1798 in Onisbury. In 1873 Charles married a Jane Mary Bessell who the census of 1881 says was born in Plymouth. I can’t find out anything about her – any help would be appreciated Charles and Jane had two children, Herbert b.1880 and Charles Roger Pearce b.1874 C R Pearce married Elizabeth Anne James in 1899. They had five children, one of which was my maternal granddad Reginald James Pearce 1904 – 1983 who married an Edna Jackson from Malpas in 1935 Any help on the above families would be very much appreciated Regards Paul -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.1/292 - Release Date: 24/03/2006

At 08:30 AM 25/03/2006, Trevor & Helen Day wrote: >Is Charles SANKEY still a subscriber to this list? Would like to make >contact re possible SANKEY/GROVES connections. Hi Helen Have not seen him on the list for a long time, but his email address is or was: "Charles Sankey" <csankey@global.co.za> Cheers Graham

In a message dated 3/28/06 5:19:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, paul.cawsey@virgin.net writes: In 1873 Charles married a Jane Mary Bessell who the census of 1881 says was born in Plymouth. I can’t find out anything about her – any help would be appreciated Have you considered other spellings? I have a Joanne Pierce in Shropshire married Henery Waringe in 1639. Renee Waring

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Whilst hanging around waiting for my son to finish youth club.....and with nothing in the car to read other than the road map I got searching!!... There is a place called Aston which is located right by the Trent river near Stone in Staffordshire. It's very close to the border and might be worth a look! From genuki Hilderstone quarter, forms the eastern side of Stone parish, and includes the following villages and hamlets; Little Aston, two miles S; Burston, three and a half miles SSE; Stoke, one mile SE; Fulford, Saverley-Green, and Crossgate, from five to seven miles NE; Shapley Green and Hilderstone, four and a half miles ENE; and Normacot, six and a half miles N of Stone. Little Aston is a hamlet and manor, on the SW side of the Trent, opposite to Stone, of which Viscount St Vincent is lord of the manor and principal owner. Aston Hall, a large moated mansion, was the property of the late Sir James Simeon, and was bequeathed to a Roman Catholic community, now consisting of the Rev Father Superior Gaudentius and a few monks. Normacot, at the north end of the parish, adjoins Blurton, and the large pottery town of Longton. It includes Mear Lane, Mear Heath, Mear Furnaces, and many neat houses, some of which are occupied by china and earthenware manufacturers. A new suburb, called Dre! sden, is being built here. http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/STS/Stone/ Good luck! Saira (BST) From: SAIRA HORNER <saira.horner@btinternet.com> To: ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re:Thomas Price What about Aston on Clun near Craven Arms?? It's in the South if the county near the Herefordshire border so quite a simple route fron Gloucestershire? Saira :o)

Hi, If anyone can help or connect with any of the names/dates below, I would be appreciate hearing from you. LLoyd Staffordshire (around Walsall) 1830 - LLoyd Shropshire (Wellington, Shrewsbury, Atcham, Wroxeter, Broseley) - any dates Chilton Shropshire (Broseley, Atcham) 1700 - Tart Shropshire (Wellington) 1800 - Hazelwood Wolverhampton area 1850 - Knopke West Germany Lisseman Wolverhampton/Willenhall area Owen Shropshire (Dawley Magna area) 1750 - Taylor Staffordshire (Walsall/Bloxwich) 1850 - Wood Staffordshire (Walsall/Coalpool) 1850- Ward Staffordshire (Walsall/Coalpool) 1800 - Please take a look at my website for any of these or other connections. Many thanks Trevor www.trevlloyd.co.uk

Hello Listers, I am wondering if some kind soul would be able to help me. I am looking for more information regarding John Bryan b. 1807 Worfield, Shropshire, England who married Mary Andrews b. 1815 Tong,Shropshire,England. They married on September 19, 1831 in Tong,Shropshire,England and had two sons George b. 1834 and John b. 1838 . I am trying to find John's parents , if possible. Any help would be greatly appreciated . Thanks in advance. Kindest Regards, Lynne in Victoria,BC Canada

Hi all After the last couple of noisy weeks things have settled down and I managed to get to our State Library today. Sorry Justine, nobody home at Alberbury parish. The only Edward shown was within the following transcription: 26 Mar 1663 Judeth d. of Edd. Vaughan of Crew Grene, bap. There were a couple of other Vaughan families of Crew Greene, but no other Edward. No Edward at Pontesbury either, nor Whittington. (further over, of course). Erica, also Ben: No luck with your Pugh folk at Westbury. No Abrahams nor in Pontesbury. No Samuel s/o John, except the following at Pontesbury. p466 15 Aug 1802 Samuel s. of John & Margaret Pugh, bap. Think Leon may have got that one for you. Seems a bit too early. Sandy re. Fardoe of Selattyn: page 207 (Shropshire Parish Register Society, transcripts). 6 Jan 1687 Prudence d. of Richard Fardoe, by Prudence his w., b. 21 Dec. chr. p388. 29 Jun 1793 Elizabeth Fardo, Whittington, d. Jun 27. buried. Which then led me to Whittington: p220. 1 Jun 1695 John s. of John Ffardo of Evenhall, in the Town of Frankton, bap. p221. 9 Aug 1696 Jane d. of John Ffardoe of Evenhall bap. p257. 18 May 1698 Dorothy d. of John Ffardoe of Old Martin, bap. p309. 16 Dec 1736 Elizabeth Fardoe of Hinford, inter. p398. 21 Jul 1744 Elizabeth d. of Thomas Fardoe & Elizabeth his w., of Frankton, bap. Regards Graham