Alejandro, I have just had a look on Ancestry for 1871 Shropshire and found Cheery Orchard under Holy Cross ,District 26 "then to the whole of Cherry Orchard" HTH Graham WILLIAMS Shropshire Family History Society -----Original Message----- From: AMilb36287@aol.com [mailto:AMilb36287@aol.com] Sent: 08 April 2006 21:07 To: ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-SHROP] Finding a Shrewsbury neighbourhood in the 1871 Census I'm trying to locate the (modern?) Shrewsbury neighbourhood of Cherry Orchard in the 1871 Census in Ancestry. It's just northeast of the Abbey. However, Ancestry does not group the different sections of Shrewsbury together and lists them instead as if they were other Shropshire towns. Thus, you have Shrewsbury, St. Chad, St. Julian, St. Mary, St. Alkmond, etc. Any ideas on which might include Cherry Orchard? Than you, Alejandro Milberg Boston, Mass. ==== ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS Mailing List ==== The 'SUBJECT' line is the first thing others will see - use it wisely. PLEASE do not just click on 'reply' - Change the subject line to describe more accurately the subject of *your* message. This is particularly important when replying to a 'Digest' ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.0/305 - Release Date: 08/04/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.0/305 - Release Date: 08/04/2006 ___________________________________________________________ How much mail storage do you get for free? Yahoo! Mail gives you 1GB! Get Yahoo! Mail http://uk.mail.yahoo.com

I'm trying to locate the (modern?) Shrewsbury neighbourhood of Cherry Orchard in the 1871 Census in Ancestry. It's just northeast of the Abbey. However, Ancestry does not group the different sections of Shrewsbury together and lists them instead as if they were other Shropshire towns. Thus, you have Shrewsbury, St. Chad, St. Julian, St. Mary, St. Alkmond, etc. Any ideas on which might include Cherry Orchard? Than you, Alejandro Milberg Boston, Mass.

Hello Alejandro Try the Historical Directories web site at http://www.historicaldirectories.org/ then click on Find by Keywords then select Shropshire in the Location box. Leave decade and key name as 'All' and put Orchard House in the keywords box and just hope it comes up with something. Mike ___________________________________ AMilb36287@aol.com wrote: > Looking for my THORNES relatives in the Times database, I found an obit that > mentions the death of William THORNES, aged 33, on 14 April 1873, at the > residence of his brother, Orchard House, Shrewsbury. > > >From the 1871 Census I know his brother Thomas was living at Union St.; any > suggestions on how to find Orchard House in the 1871 Census, to see who was > living there? > > Thanks a lot, > Alejandro Milberg > Boston, Mass, > > > ==== ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS Mailing List ==== > If you have sources of guaranteed information for family history/genealogy research, please post brief details to the list and volunteer to do look-ups - every little helps. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > >

Perhaps someone can help. Would you know where I'd look for a will? for JOSEPH/JOSHUA PACE below I've never thought to ask about a will of a Shropshire ancestor. Would these be stored at the Shropshire Register Office in Shrewsbury? I figure my 7X great grandfather JOSEPH Pace might have been a merchant I'm rather satisfied, I've found all his children, only three looking at the many PR's on the LDS site for north Shropshire but maybe there's always something more to find or learn from someone else. only three children and 10 years between 1st & 2nd child, then 5 years between 2nd & 3rd Joseph/Joshua was a merchant and didn't need a lot of children. If you have an idea on this, I'd be glad to hear what you think. My 7X great grandfather? These are briefly the events I've found: JOSUAH PACE Christening: 07 JUN 1618 PREES, Shropshire Father: ROWLAND PACE This name, in the records, is rather obscure. The last letter looks like an H. The first is a J but in between is unclear. wife JOSHUAH PACE MARGARETTE PALLMER Marriage 04 MAR 1653 HIGH ERCALL Shropshire + MARGARETTE PALLMER married 04 MAR 1653 HIGH ERCALL, Shropshire Her Christening: 05 JUN 1631 WELLINGTON, Shropshire Father: FRANCIS PALMER Mother: ANNE Batch Number: C037524 PALMER Records - http://www.phc.igs.net/~gordpace/records/palmer.htm children the way I figure it ANNE PACE - Chr 02 NOV 1655 RODINGTON, Shropshire - Father: JOSEH PACE JOHN PACE - Chr 22 Sep 1665 WROCKWARDINE, Shropshire - Father JOSEPH PACE - Mother MARGARET - P006621 GEORGE PACE - (my 6X great grandfather) - Chr 28 May 1670 PREES, Shropshire - Father: JOSEPH PACE - Mother not mentioned but George's 1st child also named MARGARET http://www.phc.igs.net/~gordpace/uk/prees.htm I have collected many PACE & related Shropshire records and have an index at: http://www.phc.igs.net/~gordpace/records/index.htm feel free to make use of them, We're all helping each other, a great way to be in this world. I was to Wrockwardine, Wellington, Prees last April/May and also met my Cullwick researching cousins Wonderful place, England Been back several times now. Gord Pace, Ontario Canada http://www.phc.igs.net/~gordpace/

Hello! Newbie here. From documents I have sent for and from some census information, it appears my PLIMMER ancestors lived and were born in Asterley, Shropshire. Some marriages and baptisms took place in Westbury and Pontesbury but they may well have been Methodists, that influence appears in Lancashire anyway when they moved there. They seem to have been involved with Friendly societies in both counties. Anyone with more info or interests in these areas please make contact. Thank you, Ian. :) ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information

Looking for my THORNES relatives in the Times database, I found an obit that mentions the death of William THORNES, aged 33, on 14 April 1873, at the residence of his brother, Orchard House, Shrewsbury. From the 1871 Census I know his brother Thomas was living at Union St.; any suggestions on how to find Orchard House in the 1871 Census, to see who was living there? Thanks a lot, Alejandro Milberg Boston, Mass,

Gwynne Wright wrote: > I'm a newcomer to the list in search of enlightenment. > I've found my ancestor James Philpot in the 1851 census for Wales. > > He gives his place of birth (c1810) at Brockton, Salop. I've googled maps and found 4 Brocktons in Shropshire. > > I can't find a Brockton as a parish on genuki so I'm a bit lost. > > Hi Gwynne, I see that Ancestry have made an absolute mess of James' 1851 census entry >:o ! This is grasping at straws but I tried looking for other siblings. The 1861 Wales census gives: Edward Philpot, Head, abt 1810, Wellington, Shropshire, England (living at Llanwenarth Ultra, Monmouthshire) John Philpot, Head, abt 1813, Wellington, Shropshire, England (living at Llanwenarth Ultra, Monmouthshire) Benj Philpot, Head, abt 1819, New Dale [near Wellington], Shropshire, England (living at Aberystruth, Monmouthshire) and one of the Brockton's is just south-east of Wellington. So are these three your James' brothers who also moved to Monmouthshire? Llanwenarth is close to where James was living in Aberystruth, Monmouthshire. Ian

Gwynne Have had a quick look for Brockton, and found 3 so far. The Brockton found 3miles SE of Bishops Castle is in the Parish of Lydbury North The Brockton 8.5 miles SW of Shrewsbury could come under the parish of Westbury as this covers 14 townships. The Brockton E of Bridgenorth could come under a number pf parishes – Monkhopton / Easthope etc Have you tried looking on IGI for the birth, it may pinpoint which parish more clearly. If all else fails you may have to have a look at the parish register for these areas. Paul -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.5/302 - Release Date: 05/04/2006

Hi, I'm a newcomer to the list in search of enlightenment. I've found my ancestor James Philpot in the 1851 census for Wales. He gives his place of birth (c1810) at Brockton, Salop. I've googled maps and found 4 Brocktons in Shropshire. I can't find a Brockton as a parish on genuki so I'm a bit lost. Any advice would be welcome. Gwynne

Hello Ian There is a Burford in Shropshire. It is in the south of the county 6.5 miles south east of Ludlow and is actually adjacent to the county boundary just across the River Teme from Tenbury Wells which is in Worcestershire. If you have an Ordnance Survey map you will find Burford at SO 593 688. Mike ______________________________________________________ Ian Massey-Crosse wrote: > Hello, > My name is Ian Massey-Crosse and I am trying to trace the family of my (7 > > times great) grandfather Charles WHICHCOTE who died at Rostherne in Cheshire > in 1677. > > I believe CW may have moved to Cheshire either during or following the Civil > War. I have found a document on A2A which is a conveyance for some property > in Coventry, which was sold by a Charles Whichcote in 1635. This describes > CW as a citizen of London. I have also seen on A2A that a Charles > Whichcote, merchant was party in an action in the House of Lords, Whichcote > v. Knightley in 1646. I am not sure whether these Charles Whichcotes are > the one I am looking for. > > I believe the Whichcote family has its origins in Lincolnshire, but I also > saw a 1628 document on A2A relating to an Edward Whichcote of Stoake in the > Parish of Burford. This document was a conveyance for land at Whitton in > Shropshire. I am not sure whether EW lived in Shropshire. I know there is > a Burford in Oxfordshire, but is there also a Burford in Shropshire ? > > I am hoping somebody on this list can help me to find a link to my Whichcote > family. I suspect that my Charles Whichcote may have been a younger son, > and therefore had to move away from home in order to make a life for > himself. Please can anyone help ? > Ian Massey-Crosse > > > > ==== ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS Mailing List ==== > DO NOT send 'Unsubscribe' requests to the list. Send a new e-mail with just the word - unsubscribe - in the message body to ~ ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-L-request@rootsweb.com ~ Substitute -D- for -L- if in 'Digest' mode. > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > >

Hello, My name is Ian Massey-Crosse and I am trying to trace the family of my (7 > times great) grandfather Charles WHICHCOTE who died at Rostherne in Cheshire in 1677. I believe CW may have moved to Cheshire either during or following the Civil War. I have found a document on A2A which is a conveyance for some property in Coventry, which was sold by a Charles Whichcote in 1635. This describes CW as a citizen of London. I have also seen on A2A that a Charles Whichcote, merchant was party in an action in the House of Lords, Whichcote v. Knightley in 1646. I am not sure whether these Charles Whichcotes are the one I am looking for. I believe the Whichcote family has its origins in Lincolnshire, but I also saw a 1628 document on A2A relating to an Edward Whichcote of Stoake in the Parish of Burford. This document was a conveyance for land at Whitton in Shropshire. I am not sure whether EW lived in Shropshire. I know there is a Burford in Oxfordshire, but is there also a Burford in Shropshire ? I am hoping somebody on this list can help me to find a link to my Whichcote family. I suspect that my Charles Whichcote may have been a younger son, and therefore had to move away from home in order to make a life for himself. Please can anyone help ? Ian Massey-Crosse

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There is also a Trefyclawdd in Radnorshire Wales Bob Strathpine -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.5/300 - Release Date: 3/04/2006

At 07:52 AM 5/04/2006, Rosemary Probert wrote: >Trevyrclawdd and Trefarclawdd == are they the same place? I'm no expert in this, Rosemary, but seems to me that the V and the F in those these cases are often changed about. For instance the Welsh Fron is often written as Vron in Shropshire, as in either Fron Heulog or Vron Heulog. So, probably the same place. Cheers Graham

At 09:56 PM 4/04/2006, Dorothy Stewart wrote: >Does anyone have a connection or information regarding a WILLIAM POOLE >who married MARY BROADBENT on AUGUST 2, 1814. If so I would very much >like to hear from you please. >Dorothy Certainly not at Llandysilio, MGY, for I have checked all of them. You can cross that parish off your list. Good luck Graham

At 06:31 AM 5/04/2006, Michael J Hulme wrote: >Hello Dorothy > >Sullins (with an 'i') is in the Prees area but I don't know exactly where. Probably a bit of a red herring, but there is a Sillins Hall Barn, Sillins Lane, Redditch, Worcestershire up for sale at the mo for about four hundred thousand. Go to: http://www.primelocation.com/new/textSearch/propertysales/Worcestershire/450000-499999.html Cheers Graham

Rosemary Probert wrote: > > Trevyrclawdd and Trefarclawdd == are they the same place? > > Trevyrclawdd is from a baptism in 1756 of Thomas PROBERT s/o William > of Trevyrclawdd and Ann > Trefarclawdd is the closest I can find! Hi Rosemary, The place names are made up from "tref", meaning 'town' and "clawdd", meaning 'dyke' (Offa's Dyke in this case). On older spelling of "tref" would be "trev", both would be pronounced as 'tray-v' in English. The other bits are "y" (or "yr" before vowels) meaning 'the' and "ar" meaning 'on'. So "Trevyrclawdd" is grammatically incorrect! As the word 'clawdd' does not begin with a vowel, it should be "Trevyclawdd", or today "Trefyclawdd", ('Town of the Dyke' or 'Dyke Town' in English). Trefyclawdd is the Welsh name for Knighton in the old county of Radnorshire. "Trefarclawdd" would by 'Town on a Dyke' in English (there is no indefinite article in Welsh) or I suppose it could be 'Town on (the) Dyke' (where the word 'the' is implied?) . However, I suspect they are one and the same place! Just register variations of the place name. Ian

Hi folks, Just to remind you good folk that the topics to be discussed on this list MUST be Shropshire + based. There are other forums where you can find information and advice on non-genealogical matters. If you have any tips for Graham, please send them to him privately. Cheers, Dave Jassie - List Administrator Why not visit 'Gen-Links' - http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.com/~jassie/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Price" <genetree@pacific.net.au> To: <ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 7:53 AM Subject: [ENG-SHROP] Broadband testing Hi all Just a quick check to make sure my new broadband facility is working okay with my old email address, as they tell me nothing changes. Any tips anyone has about broadband security, etc., will be well received off-list. Cheers Graham ==== ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS Mailing List ==== List archives can found at ~ Searchable ~ http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS Threaded ~ http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429

Hi Rosemary In the context of your Oswestry area Proberts I wold say that they are one and the same place. Some clerics were not good at spelling!! This place is on the way from Trefonen to Oswestry. You can see the large impressive farmhouse from the road and there is a cottage,I actually think there are more than one, which are more hidden. Trefarclawdd is but a stone's throw, provided you have a very strong arm, from Morda Best wishes Leon from Oswestry

Hi All, Trevyrclawdd and Trefarclawdd == are they the same place? Trevyrclawdd is from a baptism in 1756 of Thomas PROBERT s/o William of Trevyrclawdd and Ann Trefarclawdd is the closest I can find! Kind Regards, Rosemary, Northumberland UK