Hi Paul, I did find them in the 1901 census but that was all. There were some Elizabeth Pearce's on the bmds for deaths in the right time frame. Where did she die? I think the death would be registered wherever the accident took place. Likewise, do you know where Charles might have remarried? I have two paid sites I could check but we'd need to narrow the info down first. Val C. Paul Cawsey wrote: >I am hoping somebody will be able to help me solve the following problem. > > > >My Great Grandmother Elizabeth Pearce (nee James) married Charles Roger >Pearce of Ludlow in 1899. They lived in Ludlow all their lives. > >Elizabeth Pearce was killed in a Motor bike accident sometime after 1909 and >Charles remarried a Nancy? Sometime after this. The family can’t remember >when all this took place and I have searched Free BDM and Ancestry and can’t >find a death date for Elizabeth or a 2nd marriage date for Charles Pearce. > > > >They know that Charles Pearce and Nancy were living together in the 1940’s >as they took in war workers from Birmingham. > > > >Elizabeth was born in 1873 in Kingsland, Hereford > >Charles was sometimes known as Roger Pearce. > > > >Can anyone shed any light on this problem? > > > >paul > > > >

At 08:10 PM 8/04/2006, ian.plimmer@ntlworld.com wrote: > >>>>it appears my PLIMMER ancestors lived and were born in Asterley, > Shropshire. Some marriages and baptisms took place in Westbury and > Pontesbury >>> Hi Ian \his appeared on the BVR disks, not all that far from Asterley. Hope it is useful. Cheers Graham PLIMMER, Susanna Christening Gender: Female Christening Date: 3 Sep 1815 Recorded in: Clun, Shropshire, England Father: Edward PLIMMER Mother: Isabella Source: FHL Film 992140 Dates: 1813 - 1834

Hello Everyone Just to say a Happy Easter to everyone on the Shropshire list And a big thank-you for all the help I have received Veneita

I am hoping somebody will be able to help me solve the following problem. My Great Grandmother Elizabeth Pearce (nee James) married Charles Roger Pearce of Ludlow in 1899. They lived in Ludlow all their lives. Elizabeth Pearce was killed in a Motor bike accident sometime after 1909 and Charles remarried a Nancy? Sometime after this. The family can’t remember when all this took place and I have searched Free BDM and Ancestry and can’t find a death date for Elizabeth or a 2nd marriage date for Charles Pearce. They know that Charles Pearce and Nancy were living together in the 1940’s as they took in war workers from Birmingham. Elizabeth was born in 1873 in Kingsland, Hereford Charles was sometimes known as Roger Pearce. Can anyone shed any light on this problem? paul -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.0/306 - Release Date: 09/04/2006

Thanks everyone! It's as I thought, but 'you never know' till you check. Penny

This will be old hat to a number of listers, but may be of use to someone. Enter The Shropshire Archives site, select what we hold to download (likely thrives on broadband connection). Select "what we hold" from menu. Options come up which may lead to hours of deliberation, then select Shropshire Online Catalogue 193.132.103.55. Thereafter Pontesbury. It means putting up with warnings about partially invalid security certificates for a "secure" site, which appears to mean they plant a cookie on the searching computer. Discretion may well be required. Better to try for oneself rather than me get in further knots, I have not yet tried entering Westbury. Jo.

Hello Ross, Mavis, Anouska, Hans and Graham, Thanks to all for the great suggestions sent to me I will certainly pass them along to my friend. Regards Sheila Conway Ontario, Canada.

Hi all Well, after a couple of puzzled enquiries off-list re. Wills, it struck me that there are a number of reasonably new researchers (and some also of intermediate-term) who are not aware of how the online FH library catalog works, especially regarding probate. I am hoping, therefore, that this might sink in to some of us long-term researchers and helpers, that we sometimes assume queries from folks on this list come from those who are familiar with the IGI, the Ancestral File, and finally and most importantly, the Family History Library Catalog. Not so, apparently. Perhaps after a decade or so of dedicated researching we become somewhat blase and sort of accept "well, they know that, surely!" -- seems that in many instances, they do not, God bless them. Time, perhaps, to walk in someone else's shoes and look at this from a beginner's point of view. Regarding Probate microfilms available through the LDS folk and their information online at www.familysearch.org when you reach this page, in the yellow bar at the top, click into library (they keep changing things!) another screen will come up, click into Family History Library Catalog, just below Library on the long blue bar. Now you have eight options to choose from. Select place name and click on that. In the rectangle that comes up for "Place," type Shropshire. On the next screen click on "England, Shropshire." Now you see it, don't you, a great list of available records from Archives & Libraries down to Probate records, and if you click on the next page (view next set of matching topics) there is more, down to Voting Registers. Taxation is a very interesting one to click into. That could provide some answers! You long-term researchers ought to seriously look at this. I found a few things, believe it. Anyway, going back to the first page of Probate records, click in on this and an index of available records shows. From there you will have to select what you want, i.e. which Diocese, either St. Asaph, Hereford, or Lichfield (Shropshire was divided up into the three Diocese). I realise this page can be a little confusing, but go for Original Wills, etc., and click on them. A hundred or more microfilms will come up in some instances! You need to know the Diocese your parish was within at the time of the Will, so give me an email and ask. There were also Peculiar (individual) Courts of probate, such as St. Mary's Shrewsbury, Albrighton near Shrewsbury, Albrighton near Shifnall, Ashford Carbonell, Bridgenorth, Prees, Wombridge. So, if you are looking for a will in those districts, you need to check out the Peculiar probate records as well as the Diocese ones. There were also some courts administered by the Lord of the Manor, such as Astley Abbots, Buildwas, Longdon Upon Tern, Welshampton, and again Wombridge. Confused? Me too. Regarding the Peculiars (we are talking prior to 1858 here) these were parishes that were situated within one archdeaconary or diocese but were (perhaps unfortunately) under the jurisdiction of another archdeacon or a bishop nearby. Some folks held lands that spread across two jurisdictions, so that complicated things even more. Your ancestor's Will might have been proved in a local Peculiar Court, or even out into the Diocese. Step 1. Know your parish Step 2. Know the Diocese your parish was located in Step 3. If a Peculiar, then check out the availability of those records Step 4. Find the microfilm number for the year or years you want Step 5. Order in the microfilm at one of your local LDS FH centres. I do hope this has been of some help to all. If anything needs clarifying (as it always does) please feel free to email me off-list (or even on-list as long as this does not contravene ENG L Shropshire regs) and I shall be very pleased to help. And just in case some don't know LDS means Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Mormons) FH means Family History. Go for it! Happy Easter to all Cherrio Graham Melbourne Oz

Hi Michael & Graham, First, thanks for the site, at least they are doing "something" Not what I need and want, however. I will keep watching and hoping that they will put Parish Records up on-line:-)) Marjorie in Nevada, USA At 08:39 PM 9/04/2006, Michael J Hulme wrote: > >>>>> The first project below has been going for a few years.>>>>> Very nice. So far looking good. I see they are having tombstone inscriptions recorded in the near future. So, that's a start. Doesn't help Marjorie much with her wanting things online though - no mention of parish records being "done," so unless you live within a reasonable mileage, bad luck. In 1992 the CofE proscribed that all parish registers be closed and snip

At 08:54 AM 12/04/2006, Bernard Conway wrote: >Hello List, > >I am hoping that someone on this wonderful list will be able to advise me on >How to go about researching Ancesters in Italy. Hi Sheila LDS libraries can get in for you microfilms of lots of Italian records. To see what is available go to the family history library catalog on www.familysearch.org and type in Italy, or the town/district one is interested in. I did some checking for a friend of mine a year or so ago and was wonderfully surprised at what exists. She was wanting info re. an island off Sicily and goodness me all the births, deaths and marriages for civil registration were there for the time she wanted. Good luck Graham Melbourne

Does anyone know if the early dates for entries listed at the IGI have been adjusted, or not, to account for the differences between the Ecclesiastical and Historical years? That is, for example, say 1689: a birth in Jan. through to the middle of March would actually be 1690, in modern terms, using the historical year, the ecc. year finishing around the middle of March. [similar to the continue-ing 'modern' tax year] Penny

At 01:04 PM 4/12/06, FOUNTAlNPen@aol.com wrote: >Does anyone know if the early dates for entries listed at the IGI have been >adjusted, or not, to account for the differences between the Ecclesiastical >and Historical years? Hi Penny: I looked into this quite a while ago and I believe that for IGI extractions, the date is as it is on the original document, that is, it hasn't been adjusted. However, for those records that have been submitted by individuals, the date may or may not have been adjusted - at the whim of the one submitting the data, I suppose. Adrian Winnipeg, Canada

Hi Bernard, You can subscribe to the Anglo Italian mailing list at ANGLO-ITALIAN-L-request@rootsweb.com sure someone on it will be able to help. Regards Mavis in Hyde ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernard Conway" <bernard.conway@sympatico.ca> To: <ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 11:54 PM Subject: [ENG-SHROP] RE: RESEARCH in ITALY > Hello List, > > I am hoping that someone on this wonderful list will be able to advise me > on > How to go about researching Ancesters in Italy. > > I was asked this by a friend and am ashamed to say I have no idea but did > promise to post a request on this list and hope for a reply. At the moment > it is the only list I am subscribed to. > > Thank you in advance. > > Regards > Sheila Conway > Ontario, Canada. > > > ==== ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS Mailing List ==== > TIPS on list etiquette and how to maximise your chances of receiving help > can be found at ~ > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donaghmore1/expectations.htm > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >

Hi Sheila, You could try IGI on this link:- http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=true Good luck, Anouska ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernard Conway" <bernard.conway@sympatico.ca> To: <ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 11:54 PM Subject: [ENG-SHROP] RE: RESEARCH in ITALY > Hello List, > > I am hoping that someone on this wonderful list will be able to advise me > on > How to go about researching Ancesters in Italy. > > I was asked this by a friend and am ashamed to say I have no idea but did > promise to post a request on this list and hope for a reply. At the moment > it is the only list I am subscribed to. > > Thank you in advance. > > Regards > Sheila Conway > Ontario, Canada. > > > ==== ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS Mailing List ==== > TIPS on list etiquette and how to maximise your chances of receiving help > can be found at ~ > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donaghmore1/expectations.htm > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >

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Is there anyone on the list researching the above family? My Samuel William South b. 1818 married Susannah Bangs of Suffolk. One son, William, was born in Doncaster; Robert, James and Samuel were born in Middlesex. Susannah died in 1863 (thank you Pat Bridges) and Samuel William married a widow, Elizabeth Payne (married name). In 1881 they are living in Oswestry with her children.

Hello List, I am hoping that someone on this wonderful list will be able to advise me on How to go about researching Ancesters in Italy. I was asked this by a friend and am ashamed to say I have no idea but did promise to post a request on this list and hope for a reply. At the moment it is the only list I am subscribed to. Thank you in advance. Regards Sheila Conway Ontario, Canada.

At 05:36 PM 11/04/2006, Graham Price wrote: >by substituting Wales for Shropshire, and the Diocese of Lichfield, >Hereford, or St. Asaph (according to location) within your area of research. Of course, getting my eyes back into focus I should have written: substituting Shropshire for Wales! Oh confusing, is it not? Anyway regarding the three separate Diocese' for Shropshire, if anyone is confused by this (aren't we all?) and wishes to know the Diocese for a particular parish, email me off list and I'll give it to you. Knowing the Diocese is very useful when searching for marriage licences, bonds etc., as apart from probate records. Cheers graham

Hi all I just posted this to the Clwyd list in reply to a marvellous find by a fellow lister, three cheers!!!, and thought (as I do) it might be useful for posting on our Shropshire list as well. You can apply this to our list by substituting Wales for Shropshire, and the Diocese of Lichfield, Hereford, or St. Asaph (according to location) within your area of research. These are all to be found on the FH library catalog under place name Shropshire. Scroll down to probate records. "Wills can often be a marvellous way of breaking through the insurmountable brick walls. A couple of years ago I spent some time scrolling through the maze of a great number of microfilms of probate obtained for viewing at a local LDS library, hoping for an odd success. To my surprise I found more than I was looking for in this fascinating journey of many, many months - in fact, I think it really took about two years of my time, attending the LDS centre every week or so. Eventually I found Jones & Roberts wills (naturally, there were hordes of wills for those surnames) that fitted my family during the period I searched which was about 1750-1857. Most microfilms only covered four to five years so that sure was a lot of films! There were some very humorous wills I laboriously transcribed in which the deceased had given something to a family member, then in a codicil had taken it away. (Obviously fallen out of grace!) Some wills were enormous - 20 pages or more - and others were simply less than a third of a page and of little use except that they gave the address of the deceased, date of death, and to whom probate was given to - usually the spouse. The surprise in many cases was the amount of wills left by labourers and farm hands. I am aware that many researchers don't bother with probate because they think their folk were too poor to leave a will. You just might be pleasantly surprised! Anyway the big blessings were when the deceased named all of his/her sons and gave all the married surnames of daughters (often giving their husband's name as well) also their addresses at the time of making the will. Bingo! In a number of cases this led me to finding lots more families and their descendants. The films I perused were found on the website of www.familysearch.org within the family history library catalog. We are all familiar with putting in a place name on the catalog and bringing up available microfilms for a particular parish, but when we type in Wales instead of a parish or town, a host of other records comes up, including probate records. As most of my research at that time was centred on Llantysilio, Llangollen, Gresford, Wrexham etc. I clicked into the probate records for the Diocese of St. Asaph, Episcopal Consistory Court. But you need a lot of patience and a lot of time to tackle this. I doubt if I would attempt such a task again, but one never knows, the infectious madness of genealogy research may strike at any time! Anyway, I am very pleased with my results." Good luck Graham Melbourne Oz PS. type in Shropshire in place of Wales!

I have a record of 2 baptisms, checked at Shropshire Archives. They seem to refer to the same person:- Stottesden & Farlow: June 21st. 1795: John, son of Richard & Mary Martin Neen Savage: July 26th. 1795: Jno., son of Richard & Mary Martin Assuming that John/Jno are the same person, is such a multiple baptism common? Was it legal? Would it be above board, or was it an attempt to get multiple settlement rights? Or was it merely Richard baptising a son in his original parish, before baptising him in his current parish? Thanks, GJ