Hi List can you help me with this, I cant seem to find this place in Shropshire anywhere...Its off the 1851 census. Rittan Ebven Lovas???? Kind regards Janice

Hi List, New to this list and have a specific surname I am researching in the Shropshire area (most of my other research is based in Staffordshire) and thought it a good idea to give you a roll call just to see if there are any others out there on the same name. I am particularly interested in the EDGERTON name. They appear to have mainly come from the Shifnal area and surrounding. Some names associated through marriage are: FEREDAY and variants ELLIS TODDINGTON PEARCE COLLEY BIDDULPH DAVIES variants EDGINGTON EGERTON Ring any bells for anyone? Oh and pleased to meet you all! Nick Nick Griffin nick.griffin@mac.com

Hi, i just found this ! 1832 census Thomas Espley abode Sutton - qualification Freehold house & land at Stoke upon Tern How can i find out about the property at Stoke upon turn ? Thank you. Keith in Malta.

We, the Shropshire Family History Society (but not me personally), will be there. Good Hunting to all those who do attend. Graham WILLIAMS Shropshire Family History Society www.sfhs.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: David [mailto:dgw131@ntlworld.com] Sent: 14 April 2006 16:48 To: ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-SHROP] Hereford Hi......... so who is going tomorrow(Hereford FHSociety fair) David ==== ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS Mailing List ==== DO NOT send virus/worm/hoax warnings to the list. If you receive a suspicious e-mail with an attachment, delete it. Virus discussions are a no-no. ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/312 - Release Date: 14/04/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/312 - Release Date: 14/04/2006 ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

I want to thank Graham for his acknowledgment that there are some beginners out here that really "don't know". But we are learning fast. I get so confused with parishes, villages, towns, cities, counties etc. Just when I think I get something straight I find out that it was in Shropshire then but now it's in .....First I couldn't read the place on the census years, it ended up being Leintwardine. It said Shropshire, then I was told Hereford??? Never did find the family. Now I will follow Grahams directions for wills and taxation. You can bet I printed that all off. I appreciate all the help I can get. Val Chadwick USA

Hi......... so who is going tomorrow(Hereford FHSociety fair) David

Hello Ann, One that may help by way of elimination, when you start finding a number of Elizabeth Lellah/similar spellings. Bromfield Parish Registers (transcription), page 114. 1731 December 30. John Purton p. Eaton & ELIZABETH LELLOW p. Clummery, lic. Marriage. Obviously the spellings were variable. Jo.

At 07:53 AM 14/04/2006, you wrote: >I have traced my family back to William Daker who married Elizabeth Lellah >in 1728. The marriage is on the IGI but I can find no trace of Lellah as a >surname although it seems to have been quite commonly used as a Christian >name, a diminutive of Ellen. >Could the clerk have been interrupted and left off the bride's surname? Hi Ann Could also be Leilah. The writing of many of those registers in 1700s was often pretty scrawly and sometimes the pages were damaged by water, mould etc. I am also wondering if it really was a surname and was meant to be Felow or Feloe or even Halah, Hallas some such? >I suspect William was either the son of Samuel and Elizabeth Daker, born >in Cardington in 1688, or of Samuel and Joice Daker, born in Condover in >1703. If only I could prove which, I could get back another 100 years. I have access to the Shropshire Parish Register Society transcripts for Condover up to 1812, so if you have not seen any of these I could have a look for you next trip into our State Library. If there is an early death of William 1703 then that will rule him out! Don't have the other two parishes you mention. Cheers Graham HAPPY EASTER everyone.

My thanks to Anouska and Graham for their considered responses to my question. Ta, GJ

Ann, I should look for LEAH. (LEE/LEA/LEIGH) There was a family of that name at Meole Brace around that time. Regards, Ann Researching:- DAYUS. LUTWICH. BULLOCK. POWELL. HICKMAN. JANDRELL. BLAKEWAY. BROMLEY. HARRISON. In and around Cardington/ Rushbury/ Longnor/ Dorrington/ Condover ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Czerniawska" <ann@czerniawska.co.uk> To: <ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:53 PM Subject: [ENG-SHROP] Daker/Lellah marriage > I have traced my family back to William Daker who married Elizabeth Lellah in 1728. The marriage is on the IGI but I can find no trace of Lellah as a surname although it seems to have been quite commonly used as a Christian name, a diminutive of Ellen. > Could the clerk have been interrupted and left off the bride's surname? > > I suspect William was either the son of Samuel and Elizabeth Daker, born in Cardington in 1688, or of Samuel and Joice Daker, born in Condover in 1703. If only I could prove which, I could get back another 100 years. > > Can anyone throw any light on this, please? > > Thanks, > Ann. > > > ==== ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS Mailing List ==== > WHY not visit the Shropshire Genuki site. > It really is a mine of information. > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/SAL/ > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

I would like to thank Sue, Hans from California, Val and John for providing me with advice on how to solve the family mystery. As I have no firm dates for the death of my Great grandmother or subsequent remarriage of Charles Pearce, I feel that a trawl through the BDM registers will have to be undertaken. One other possibility is that Charles Roger went by the name of Roger Pearce as his grandchildren knew him by this name. Paul -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/310 - Release Date: 12/04/2006

Hi Just re-subscribed after a long break from this side of the tree. My interests are the DUNN family from the area around Hinstock, Cheswardine & Shifnal. Any connections or info? Regards Den

Have searched The Times online and the best I could find was a tramcar accident in 1901 in London. I could have missed it though either because the story didnt use the obvious keywords, or because of a glitch in the OCR system or if it was buried in one of the stories I didnt check - there were a lot of hits for some of the wider searches. There does seem to have been a lot of motor cycle accidents between the wars. The stories are quite shocking to modern eyes - as with so many motor accidents at the time the descriptions are of events which one way and another probably would not have had the same outcome today. The dead were named in all the stories I found but of course it is quite possible the story did not get as far as London. If you are reasonably sure that the accident happened locally then the best thing is to look through the local paper. It may not take as long as you think as it may not have had as many pages as today and it may have been filmed. Judy ---------- >From: "Paul Cawsey" <paul.cawsey@virgin.net> >To: ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [ENG-SHROP] A large brick wall!! >Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:11:36 +0100 > > I am hoping somebody will be able to help me solve the following problem. > > > > My Great Grandmother Elizabeth Pearce (nee James) married Charles Roger > Pearce of Ludlow in 1899. They lived in Ludlow all their lives. > > Elizabeth Pearce was killed in a Motor bike accident sometime after 1909 and > Charles remarried a Nancy? Sometime after this. The family can’t remember > when all this took place and I have searched Free BDM and Ancestry and can’t > find a death date for Elizabeth or a 2nd marriage date for Charles Pearce. > > > > They know that Charles Pearce and Nancy were living together in the 1940’s > as they took in war workers from Birmingham. > > > > Elizabeth was born in 1873 in Kingsland, Hereford > > Charles was sometimes known as Roger Pearce. > > > > Can anyone shed any light on this problem? > > > > paul > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.0/306 - Release Date: 09/04/2006 > > > > ==== ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS Mailing List ==== > TIPS on list etiquette and how to maximise your chances of receiving help > can be found at ~ > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donaghmore1/expectations.htm > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Ann It sounds like you are going by the IGI record which might not be accurate. I suggest you write to the record office for a photocopy of the original entry (assuming that is where the book is held) and judge the writing for yourself. Could be something like SELLARS. Judy ---------- >From: "M.A.Reynolds" <anouska.reynolds@ntlworld.com> >To: ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [ENG-SHROP] Re: Daker/Lellah marriage >Date: 13, Thu Apr, 2006, 10:45 pm > > Perhaps they never married, or it was never recorded. > Or they did marry but the records have been lost, as it is a very long way > back. > IGI don't have all the records, only those they have been allowed to have, > and there are a lot still kept private, or destroyed. > > I seem to remember hearing that marriage was not always recorded, and it was > just a verbal promise to each other so long ago. > Have you tried just searching for William Daker to see what appears. > Good luck with it anyway. > > Anouska > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ann Czerniawska" <ann@czerniawska.co.uk> > To: <ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:53 PM > Subject: [ENG-SHROP] Daker/Lellah marriage > > >>I have traced my family back to William Daker who married Elizabeth Lellah >>in 1728. The marriage is on the IGI but I can find no trace of Lellah as a >>surname although it seems to have been quite commonly used as a Christian >>name, a diminutive of Ellen. >> Could the clerk have been interrupted and left off the bride's surname? >> >> I suspect William was either the son of Samuel and Elizabeth Daker, born >> in Cardington in 1688, or of Samuel and Joice Daker, born in Condover in >> 1703. If only I could prove which, I could get back another 100 years. >> >> Can anyone throw any light on this, please? >> >> Thanks, >> Ann. >> >> >> ==== ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS Mailing List ==== >> WHY not visit the Shropshire Genuki site. >> It really is a mine of information. >> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/SAL/ >> >> ============================== >> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >> areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >> Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >> >> > > > > > ==== ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS Mailing List ==== > DO NOT send virus/worm/hoax warnings to the list. If you receive a > suspicious e-mail with an attachment, delete it. > Virus discussions are a no-no. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Perhaps they never married, or it was never recorded. Or they did marry but the records have been lost, as it is a very long way back. IGI don't have all the records, only those they have been allowed to have, and there are a lot still kept private, or destroyed. I seem to remember hearing that marriage was not always recorded, and it was just a verbal promise to each other so long ago. Have you tried just searching for William Daker to see what appears. Good luck with it anyway. Anouska ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Czerniawska" <ann@czerniawska.co.uk> To: <ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:53 PM Subject: [ENG-SHROP] Daker/Lellah marriage >I have traced my family back to William Daker who married Elizabeth Lellah >in 1728. The marriage is on the IGI but I can find no trace of Lellah as a >surname although it seems to have been quite commonly used as a Christian >name, a diminutive of Ellen. > Could the clerk have been interrupted and left off the bride's surname? > > I suspect William was either the son of Samuel and Elizabeth Daker, born > in Cardington in 1688, or of Samuel and Joice Daker, born in Condover in > 1703. If only I could prove which, I could get back another 100 years. > > Can anyone throw any light on this, please? > > Thanks, > Ann. > > > ==== ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS Mailing List ==== > WHY not visit the Shropshire Genuki site. > It really is a mine of information. > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/SAL/ > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

I have traced my family back to William Daker who married Elizabeth Lellah in 1728. The marriage is on the IGI but I can find no trace of Lellah as a surname although it seems to have been quite commonly used as a Christian name, a diminutive of Ellen. Could the clerk have been interrupted and left off the bride's surname? I suspect William was either the son of Samuel and Elizabeth Daker, born in Cardington in 1688, or of Samuel and Joice Daker, born in Condover in 1703. If only I could prove which, I could get back another 100 years. Can anyone throw any light on this, please? Thanks, Ann.

Paul wrote: I have searched Free BDM and Ancestry and can’t find a death date for Elizabeth or a 2nd marriage date for Charles Pearce. The free BDM and Ancestry sites are still very incomplete. Your best bet is to set aside a few hours and visit either a record office or main library that has the GRO index on microfiche. It does mean that you might have to trawl through lots of fiche, but these are in alphabetical order within a given period (varying from quarter to full year), and more accurate and complete! John

At 05:32 PM 13/04/2006, Graham Price wrote: >Hi Jo >Thanks for that. The site has changed somewhat since I last entered it. >Actually, I found the new format somewhat confusing, got lost along the >way. I noticed Asterley was mentioned and thought that Ian Plimmer might >be interested and sought to pursue that query for his benefit, but when I >tried I got no-where. However, there are 78 pages in PDF format which give all parish records held by the Shropshire Archives, something which some of you might like to download and keep in your files for future reference. Nothing like having a few more pages in a file, so much for computers saving paper, heh? Cheers Graham

At 04:09 PM 13/04/2006, twigs wrote: >This will be old hat to a number of listers, but may be of use to someone. >Enter The Shropshire Archives site, select what we hold to download >(likely thrives on broadband connection). Select "what we hold" from >menu. Options come up which may lead to hours of deliberation, then >select Shropshire Online Catalogue 193.132.103.55. >Thereafter Pontesbury. Hi Jo Thanks for that. The site has changed somewhat since I last entered it. Actually, I found the new format somewhat confusing, got lost along the way. I noticed Asterley was mentioned and thought that Ian Plimmer might be interested and sought to pursue that query for his benefit, but when I tried I got no-where. You might try to follow that up, though, Ian. You might have better success. Still and all, it is a good facility, but I think the website manager needs to get his/her act together and smarten things up to make it easier for folks to access individual compartments. For instance, all you get when accessing individual records is: Showing record 13 of 531. <http://193.132.103.55//dserve.exe?&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=Show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqSearch=((text)='pontesbury')&dsqPos=0>First <http://193.132.103.55//dserve.exe?&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=Show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqSearch=((text)='pontesbury')&dsqPos=11>< Prev Record: <http://193.132.103.55//dserve.exe?&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=Overview.tcl&dsqSearch=((text)='pontesbury')&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqPos=0>13 of 531 <http://193.132.103.55//dserve.exe?&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=Show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqSearch=((text)='pontesbury')&dsqPos=13>Next > <http://193.132.103.55//dserve.exe?&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=Show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqSearch=((text)='pontesbury')&dsqPos=530>Last But the record does not come up! Nothing! And I am on Broadband, so!!! And the same thing occurred when I hit NEXT, nothing but as the above appeared. Oh well, better luck another day. But really, thanks to Jo for putting this in front of our noses. I shall come back in a week or so and have another look. Cheers Hope everyone has a lovely, peaceful, pleasant and re-envigorating Easter. I plan to. Graham Melbourne Oz

At 05:30 AM 12/04/2006, Geejayludlow@aol.com wrote: >I have a record of 2 baptisms, checked at Shropshire Archives. >They seem to refer to the same person:- >Stottesden & Farlow: June 21st. 1795: John, son of Richard & Mary Martin > Neen Savage: July 26th. 1795: Jno., son of Richard & Mary Martin Stottesden and Neen Savage were bordering parishes, so it would seem that the parents had the child baptised in one of the parents parishes, then returned to the other parish and had the ceremony done again, mainly to satisfy the elder family members. There was nothing illegal in this, in fact it was a common practice. Same child, two baptisms, no problem. BUT you will have to search the parish registers of both of these parishes to ensure absolutely that there were not two families of the same name involved. Sometimes cousins of the same name did marry girls with same Christian name. Good luck Graham Melbourne Oz