Janice, This has cropped up before and it is caused by WEM also being the Chapman Code for Westmeath, Ireland like SAL is for Shropshire, so when Ancestry enter it into their database it picks up Wem and corrects it, incorrectly in this case, to Westmeath. HTH Graham WILLIAMS Shropshire Family History Society -----Original Message----- From: Abbotale30@aol.com [mailto:Abbotale30@aol.com] Sent: 19 April 2006 10:48 To: ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-SHROP] brick wall It appears I cant email you off list. Hi Louise Yes I have tried looking to see if he is with brothers and sisters. Cant find his sister Jane b. 1826 or sister Elizabeth b. 1837 Can find all the others that I mentioned all living in Wolverhampton. Strange, but the numerator has Wem down as being Westmeath on some of the 1851/61 census.. Just cant find them at all....thank you for helping me kind regards Janice Researching: HAMPSON, STYCHE, GLADWIN, ABBOTT, ESBERGER, HOLLINGWORTH, HEMMINGWAY, CRESSWELL, KING, MATHER, ECKERSLEY, GOODALL, ROBINSON, ARAM, GEE, GRAFTON ==== ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS Mailing List ==== DO NOT send 'Unsubscribe' requests to the list. Send a new e-mail with just the word - unsubscribe - in the message body to ~ ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-L-request@rootsweb.com ~ Substitute -D- for -L- if in 'Digest' mode. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.3/316 - Release Date: 17/04/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.3/316 - Release Date: 17/04/2006 ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com

Hi Anouska Thank you so much for your interest. Henry HAMPSON/HAMSON was in Wolverhampton in 1871, Yorkshire in 1881, Lancashire 1891, Nottinghamshire in 1901. Died in 1917. Married in Oswestry 1865 to Eliza GRAFTON who was from Wolverhampton. most of Henry's brothers and sisters went to Wolves during the 1850's they married there. Henry parents died we believe in 1840's. Williams his farther died in 1846. We are not sure about Mum Jane/Jain. She may have re-married.... I hope im not being a nuisance Kind regards janice

Hi Anouska Its certainly worth a try, If memory serves me right I have looked at all the pages for 2b, but not thoroughly through 2a. I wont give up trying....will check again....keep plodding on....inbetween chores.. Thanks for that advise Kind regards janice Researching: HAMPSON, STYCHE, GLADWIN, ABBOTT, ESBERGER, HOLLINGWORTH, HEMMINGWAY, CRESSWELL, KING, MATHER, ECKERSLEY, GOODALL, ROBINSON, ARAM, GEE, GRAFTON

Hi Thanks, I love a challenge too and I have spent many hours and days looking for my Henry HAMPSON/HAMSON in 1851/61 census, but to no avail. I have even done a blanket search with the name Henry and left the surname out. Its certainly a challenge for anyone. Cheers Janice Researching: HAMPSON, STYCHE, GLADWIN, ABBOTT, ESBERGER, HOLLINGWORTH, HEMMINGWAY, CRESSWELL, KING, MATHER, ECKERSLEY, GOODALL, ROBINSON, ARAM, GEE, GRAFTON

Hi Graham I think you have told me before if memory serves me right... Are you for WILLIAMS Mine originate from Pembrokeshire Haverfordwest. Then went to live in London then Notts. Kind regards. Oddly enough my ex husband is called Graham WILLIAMS Janice Researching: HAMPSON, STYCHE, GLADWIN, ABBOTT, ESBERGER, HOLLINGWORTH, HEMMINGWAY, CRESSWELL, KING, MATHER, ECKERSLEY, GOODALL, ROBINSON, ARAM, GEE, GRAFTON

It appears I cant email you off list. Hi Louise Yes I have tried looking to see if he is with brothers and sisters. Cant find his sister Jane b. 1826 or sister Elizabeth b. 1837 Can find all the others that I mentioned all living in Wolverhampton. Strange, but the numerator has Wem down as being Westmeath on some of the 1851/61 census.. Just cant find them at all....thank you for helping me kind regards Janice Researching: HAMPSON, STYCHE, GLADWIN, ABBOTT, ESBERGER, HOLLINGWORTH, HEMMINGWAY, CRESSWELL, KING, MATHER, ECKERSLEY, GOODALL, ROBINSON, ARAM, GEE, GRAFTON

Hi Louise Yes all the children where born im Wem. William and Jane the parents born in County William married Jane EDWARDS. Henry b. 1841 Jane b. 1826 Robert b. 1825 Sarah b 1821 thomas b 1833 Ann b. 1834 Elizabeth 1837 george 1838 Kind regards Janice Researching: HAMPSON, STYCHE, GLADWIN, ABBOTT, ESBERGER, HOLLINGWORTH, HEMMINGWAY, CRESSWELL, KING, MATHER, ECKERSLEY, GOODALL, ROBINSON, ARAM, GEE, GRAFTON

Hi list Any Ideas Henry HAMPSON/HAMSON b 1841... I have found him in 1841 with parents William and Jane living High Street Wem. William and Jane Henry's parents died before the 1851 census. So all their children where left alone. maybe fostered out? I have found Henry HAMPSON in 1871/81/1901 census and he died in Derbyshire in 1917. I cannot find him on the Ancestry.com in 1851/61 census. I have been at this brick wall for 4 years..... Kind regards Janice Researching: HAMPSON, STYCHE, GLADWIN, ABBOTT, ESBERGER, HOLLINGWORTH, HEMMINGWAY, CRESSWELL, KING, MATHER, ECKERSLEY, GOODALL, ROBINSON, ARAM, GEE, GRAFTON

Im looking for information on a James Galliers who married Elizabeth Clinton , Cardington Shropshire on the 1st Jan 1769. Plus any other Galliers who lived in that area 1740-1800. some Shropshire Galliers crossed the county border into Herefordshire, im descended from them. Keith.

The following appear in my research - would welcome further info if anyone is researching them BOYCOTT Ann born abt 1816 Ironbridge DOLPHIN Elizabeth married 1867 to Richard DELVES Wellington Shr WHITTALL Mary Jane married 1871 Richard DELVES St Chads Shrewsbury CLEETON Sarah Jane married William DELVES DOLPHIN Henry married Mary Ann DELVES HARRINGTON Ann born about 1825 Thanks.' Sandi Halling -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/310 - Release Date: 12/04/2006

Hello Keith As a first step I would suggest you try to find your ancestor in the Tithe Apportionment from around the 1840's which will hopefully tell you whether the land was actually owned or rented. The tithe also includes a map with each plot numbered so you can be sure which pieces of land were included. The Land Tax (generally) pre-dates the Tithe so it can be useful going from one to the other but the main problem is that virtually all the Shropshire Land Tax documents were destroyed about the time of WWII although there is a very limited set in The National Archives at Kew. If you happen to be looking for somewhere else, like Cheshire, then they have a good set of Land Tax documents. Mike ______________________________________________________ keith hammond wrote: > Hi, > does anyone please know anything about land tax records ? My ancestor was a voter 1832 and had a house and land. Can you please tell me how i can find out what he owned ? Thank you. > > Keith in Malta. > > > ==== ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS Mailing List ==== > If you have sources of guaranteed information for family history/genealogy research, please post brief details to the list and volunteer to do look-ups - every little helps. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > >

Hello Keith in Malta, Was your Thomas Espley still alive in 1878? Ask this before doing a bit of Shropshire geography for an little known part of the county. Jo.

Hi, does anyone please know anything about land tax records ? My ancestor was a voter 1832 and had a house and land. Can you please tell me how i can find out what he owned ? Thank you. Keith in Malta.

In a message dated 18/04/2006 12:36:46 GMT Standard Time, ficus@euroweb.net.mt writes: does anyone please know anything about land tax records ? My ancestor was a voter 1832 and had a house and land. Can you please tell me how i can find out what he owned ? Thank you. Dear Keith, I suppose you could have a look at the (much later I know) Return of Owners of Land published 1873, to see if the his/her land was still in the same name? You don't give a name, but I have added a few of them to my website at _www.geocities.com/fountalnpen/moreton.html_ (http://www.geocities.com/fountalnpen/moreton.html) I have included a section 'A Little Light Reading' on the background to the Return, which may give you a few clues as to where to go next, if 'your' name isn't there. Hope that helps. Penny

Thanks to all for helpful suggestions. Lellah was Llellow and William was the son of Samuel and Elizabeth, so I think I have made my link. Ann

Hello Janet I don't think we have anywhere called Upton Bank. I wonder if it should be Hopton Bank? We have two of these, one at Clun and the other at Hopton Wafers. Can you find him in another census to help clarify where he was born? Mike ______________________________________________________ Janet Poulton wrote: > Would anyone know which Upton is referred to as Upton Bank?It is given as place of birth for my ancestor Richard Meredith in 1861census.Thank you Jan Poulton > > > ==== ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS Mailing List ==== > If you have sources of guaranteed information for family history/genealogy research, please post brief details to the list and volunteer to do look-ups - every little helps. > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > >

Would anyone know which Upton is referred to as Upton Bank?It is given as place of birth for my ancestor Richard Meredith in 1861census.Thank you Jan Poulton

Abbotale30@aol.com wrote: > Hi List can you help me with this, I cant seem to find this place in > Shropshire anywhere...Its off the 1851 census. > > Rittan Ebven Lovas???? > > Hi Janice, I think it's meant to say Ruyton Eleven Towns :-) ? Ian

I imagine it's Ruyton Eleven Towns, a few miles from Baschurch. That's a particularly bad transcription! Regards Jill Jill Evans Special Collections Edinburgh University Library George Square Edinburgh EH8 9LJ 0131 6511418 -----Original Message----- From: Abbotale30@aol.com [mailto:Abbotale30@aol.com] Sent: 17 April 2006 16:46 To: ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-SHROP] RE: Rittan Ebven Lovas Hi List can you help me with this, I cant seem to find this place in Shropshire anywhere...Its off the 1851 census. Rittan Ebven Lovas???? Kind regards Janice ==== ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS Mailing List ==== TO view Eng-Shropshire-Plus archived messages click here: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS.html If you're new to the list, there may be something useful in the archives ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

Hi Jill and Ian Thank you for your very quick response. I now know where I am, I would never have found it without you. Yes, very bad transcription, but we have to cope with these things thats what makes it more interesting. Kind regards Janice (Happy Easter) & Hunting......