I wonder whether any kind person can please help me to resolve a dilemma I have been faced with for many years. My 3xgreat-grandfather, John MASON, was christened in Albrighton in 1793, the son of Thomas MASON and Mary WALKER. He had six children, all born in Boningale/Albrighton - Alexander (b c1818), Mary (c1821), Samuel (c1823), Isaac (c1824) - my 2xgreat-grandfather, Thomas (c1827) and Elizabeth (c1832). John died in 1849 in Boningale at the age of 55. My dilemma concerns John's wife, Elizabeth, whom I have been unable to identify. When I first consulted the 1841 Census (on microfilm many years ago) I was surprised to find that Elizabeth was not born in the county, as John did not seem to have moved far throughout his life. Elizabeth was shown as a 61-year old widow in 1851, her place of birth being shown as "Warwicks Birmingham". She died in October 1851, her age being shown then as 63. So it would seem that Elizabeth was born in Birmingham c1788. So my dilemma is - just who is this Elizabeth and how do I trace their marriage? All their children were born pre-Civil Registration, of course, so no help through the mother's maiden name on a birth certificate. A search on FamilySearch for a marriage between John Mason and an Elizabeth revealed only one in Shropshire - in 1811 in Wem - the bride being Elizabeth Lewis and there were indeed several babies by the name of Elizabeth Lewis being christened in Birmingham between 1786 and 1790. So how do I know if this is the correct marriage or which Elizabeth might have been my John's bride? There was also a marriage between John Mason and Elizabeth Slater in Birmingham in 1810 and four suitable marriages in Wolverhampton between 1811 and 1817. Indeed one of these brides, Elizabeth Rogers, is a very likely candidate as the marriage took place in 1817 (their first child being born in 1818) and her father's name was Samuel, which is the only non-Mason name amongst their children. There was also an Elizabeth Rogers being born in Birmingham in 1785 - but maybe that was just a year or two too early. After all, John and Elizabeth could have been married anywhere between Birmingham and Albrighton - or anywhere in the country, for that matter, and I know that not all marriages appear on FamilySearch. A further complication is that their first known child was not born until 1818 (when Elizabeth would have been approaching 30 years of age) so she may well have been a widow at the time of her marriage to John, which would make tracing her maiden name even more difficult. Oh dear, I just seem to be going round in circles with this and it is annoying me that I cannot tie this marriage down, having got back much further on many of my lines. So, if anyone can look at this with fresh eyes and see what they make of it, I shall be most grateful. With many thanks to anyone who is interested enough to have a think about this for me. Wendy

Is anyone else researching the surnames SIMON (lots of spelling variations!) or STUBBS, especially in the Longford, Moreton Say area? I have found my greatx2 grandmother ELIZABETH STUBBS (nee Simon) on the 1841 census.Staying with her are 2 lodgers with the surname SIMON - sons of a Simon family living nearby . I'm struggling to establish their relationship to each other. Can anyone help? Jill.

Jean, OOPS So sorry, I put W-u-R when it should have been Weston-under-Lizard (I had been doing research on some of my own rabble from W-u-R quite recently and had that in my head!) Sorry to have confused things. I omitted to say that Weston Heath is in Staffordshire BUT very close to the Shropshire border. Graham -----Original Message----- From: F&J Baker [mailto:roamers@btinternet.com] Sent: 08 May 2006 21:51 To: ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-SHROP] CROSS family help Thank you Graham for the details that you kindly looked up. This looks like the family I am looking for of Thomas CROSS ( Senior ) >From the age of Mary, wife? of Thomas CROSS, she could not have been mother to some of the older children. Which probably makes her the second wife of Thomas. Could you confirm that the age of Mary is 29, this will help me to progress further. If she was 39 all the ages of the children fit in with the details that Bob sent. Thanks also to Bob. The details that you sent fit exactly ages and names of children in Grahams mail. So, not knowing anything about Shropshire ( I live in the West Country) could anyone tell me about the census districts of Weston under Lizard Weston under Redcastle. Could they be under the same census district ??? I am a little confused as both details match exactly. Any help much appreciated Thanks once again to Graham and Bob Jean BAKER nee CROSS ==== ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS Mailing List ==== List archives can found at ~ Searchable ~ http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=ENG-SHROPSHIRE-P LUS Threaded ~ http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/333 - Release Date: 05/05/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/333 - Release Date: 05/05/2006 ___________________________________________________________ Win tickets to the 2006 FIFA World Cup Germany with Yahoo! Messenger. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/fifaworldcup_uk/

Thank you Graham for the details that you kindly looked up. This looks like the family I am looking for of Thomas CROSS ( Senior ) From the age of Mary, wife? of Thomas CROSS, she could not have been mother to some of the older children. Which probably makes her the second wife of Thomas. Could you confirm that the age of Mary is 29, this will help me to progress further. If she was 39 all the ages of the children fit in with the details that Bob sent. Thanks also to Bob. The details that you sent fit exactly ages and names of children in Grahams mail. So, not knowing anything about Shropshire ( I live in the West Country) could anyone tell me about the census districts of Weston under Lizard Weston under Redcastle. Could they be under the same census district ??? I am a little confused as both details match exactly. Any help much appreciated Thanks once again to Graham and Bob Jean BAKER nee CROSS

At 08:10 PM 8/05/2006, Alan Huxley wrote: >Would that it were me! No, all credit must go to the OGRE. But I do agree, >life would be so much simpler if all PRs were available on-line, >particularly for those who like me don't have libraries with fiche readers >within reach. Ah yes, now I remember, and not only Wroxeter on that website, but also Weston-under-Redcastle, and Hodnet. Marvellous. Curious thing though, I remember the author emailing me last year and I usually keep all these old emails, but he (with his emails) has disappeared into smoke, for when I do a search, nothing comes up - vanished as all good ogres do, of course! You do see, on the website of course, how he keeps himself anonymous, preferring no showering of accolades upon himself, but just letting the website speak for itself. Very humble, indeed. Cheers Graham

At 03:21 AM 5/05/2006, Sharon Rauworth wrote: So Sharon, Richard Canlin was of the parish of Much Wenlock and the witnesses were Thos. Wright and Sarah Wright. Lucky you! And the marriage was by licence, so you should be able to get a copy of that from the Shropshire Archives. Good luck Graham

Again, I must say how amazed I am at how quickly these pages load, zipping in one by one like a flash. I've never seen that on a web-site before and can't understand how you have done it, Alan. What secrets do you hold? And when you click on a page, up it comes in the blink of an eye. Wish all our parishes registers were as easy to view as this! Cheers Graham

At 06:30 PM 8/05/2006, you wrote: >Hello Graham >The Wroxeter PRs are on >http://www.genebooks.com/registers.shtml >Best regards >Alan Thanks Alan That saves a trip! Cheers Graham '

Jean, There is a Thomas CROSS aged 13 living with a Thomas (38, Ag Lab, STS) & Mary (29, STS) and George (16, STS); Mary (8, STS); Joseph (8, STS); Maria (6, STS); Charles (3, STS) All CROSS and all living at Weston Heath, Weston-under-Redcastle which is about a mile from Blymhill & 2 miles from Tong. HO107/974/15 Folio 6 Page 5. HTH Graham -----Original Message----- From: F&J Baker [mailto:roamers@btinternet.com] Sent: 08 May 2006 14:49 To: ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-SHROP] CROSS family census help Hello Need a little help in finding my CROSS family Have found them 1851.....1861....1881......cannot seem to find them in 1871 census Also would appreciate if anyone can find Thomas CROSS in 1841 census , before he married in 1849 to find out who his possible parents were. Thomas stated born Blymill Staffs on most of the census, most of his children born in Tong, Donnington, Worfield in Shrops. Thomas CROSS b approx 1828 Ellen wife b Shiffnal Children were, Maria....Winifred....Joseph.....Mary Ann.....Emma....Ellen.....and maybe Thomas Any help much appreciated Jean BAKER nee CROSS ==== ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS Mailing List ==== List archives can found at ~ Searchable ~ http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=ENG-SHROPSHIRE-P LUS Threaded ~ http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/333 - Release Date: 05/05/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/333 - Release Date: 05/05/2006 Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

At 03:21 AM 5/05/2006, Sharon Rauworth wrote: >Hello All, I have just subscribed to this list and hope that someone >might have access >to the Wroxeter parish records and be able to do a lookup for me. On the >IGI there is a marriage on 17 Sep 1793 of a Richard CANLIN and Ann WRIGHT. >I wonder if I might have the information that is noted in the marriage >record. Perhaps if might list where Richard was from and who the witnesses >were, if other than church personnel. Hi Sharon If no one else has easy access to these records I shall be happy to do a look-up for you when I go to our State Library within a few days or a week. We have transcriptions from the Shropshire Parish Register Society for Wroxeter up to 1812. From memory these transcriptions (which so far I have found to be spot on) usually give the witnesses, though sad to say no parents of bride or groom. Anyway, will get back to you. Cheers Graham Melbourne Oz

Hi, Does anyone live near Lichfield Record Office and able to do a lookup for me please? It is for a 'Bond & Allegation' for the following marriage:- 5th August 1805 marriage by licence, both of the parish of Baschurch, Joseph Bostock Widower and Elizabeth Smith Any help much appreciated, Thank you, Anouska

New to list My family were baptized in the parish of Aldford Cheshire UK, the marriages are missing I believe the brides came from a area outside Cheshire possible North Shropshire can anyone help,details as follows. George Rowland b 1\1\1794 father Edward Rowland and Hannah ?. Edwards family born in Aldford as well as his son George. George Rowland married to Sarah (unknown) first child Thomas b 7\7\1816 marriage before this date. George was married a second time Jane Jones widow\6\1840. Family of George and Sarah Thomas 7\7\1816,George 12\7\1819,Edward 14\10\1821,Sarah 11\7\1824, Eleanor 8\7\1827. Thanks for any assistance Les Rowlands

Hello Need a little help in finding my CROSS family Have found them 1851.....1861....1881......cannot seem to find them in 1871 census Also would appreciate if anyone can find Thomas CROSS in 1841 census , before he married in 1849 to find out who his possible parents were. Thomas stated born Blymill Staffs on most of the census, most of his children born in Tong, Donnington, Worfield in Shrops. Thomas CROSS b approx 1828 Ellen wife b Shiffnal Children were, Maria....Winifred....Joseph.....Mary Ann.....Emma....Ellen.....and maybe Thomas Any help much appreciated Jean BAKER nee CROSS

Would that it were me! No, all credit must go to the OGRE. But I do agree, life would be so much simpler if all PRs were available on-line, particularly for those who like me don't have libraries with fiche readers within reach. Alan (in central Spain) ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com

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A question about towns in Shropshire. I have Edward WEAVER born 1789 Neen Savage (from census) and Edward WEAVER baptised Neen Sollars 1790(IGI) Looking at a map they're not very far apart so what's the chance that they're the same person Would somebody living in Neen Savage be baptised in Neen Sollars Can anyone tell me if the PR for Neen Savage have been filmed (For some unknown reason I am unable to connect to familysearch on my computer) I am also looking for a marriage for Edward WEAVER and Margaret ~1820 in Neen Sollars or Farlow or somewhere else nearby Barbara Perth Australia

I'll see what I can do for you. I have some Neen Savage and surrounding areas on microfiche. The two areas are about two to three miles apart so it is possible it's the same person, but there are a lot of Weaver's in the area at that time. Wolfie...................the quiet one -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Cocker [mailto:cockertoo@iinet.net.au] Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 2:45 PM To: ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-SHROP] WEAVER - A question about towns in Shropshire. I have Edward WEAVER born 1789 Neen Savage (from census) and Edward WEAVER baptised Neen Sollars 1790(IGI) Looking at a map they're not very far apart so what's the chance that they're the same person Would somebody living in Neen Savage be baptised in Neen Sollars Can anyone tell me if the PR for Neen Savage have been filmed (For some unknown reason I am unable to connect to familysearch on my computer) I am also looking for a marriage for Edward WEAVER and Margaret ~1820 in Neen Sollars or Farlow or somewhere else nearby Barbara Perth Australia ==== ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS Mailing List ==== DO NOT send virus/worm/hoax warnings to the list. If you receive a suspicious e-mail with an attachment, delete it. Virus discussions are a no-no. ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/333 - Release Date: 05/05/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/333 - Release Date: 05/05/2006

Yes you can order certificates on line by visiting: <http://www.shropshire.gov.uk/registrar.nsf/open/39D35A88B90FA2F2802570F1005 13442> However marriage records are distributed through many tens of registers for each year, with different registers for every church as well as a civil register. Because of this it is often easier to obtain marriage certificates centrally from the GRO, rather than from local offices - unless you know exactly where a marriage took place. All the best Alwyn -----Neges Wreiddiol-----/-----Original Message----- Oddi wrth/From: Watson Family [mailto:watsonb@iinet.com.au] Anfonwyd/Sent: 06 May 2006 10:59 At/To: ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com Pwnc/Subject: [ENG-SHROP] re Marriage Cert. online Shropshire Hi, Does Shropshire have an on-line ordering service for Marriage records in 1851 like Cheshire? cheers Marilyn I am wanting the marriage cert for George Jackson and Harriet Southall married 1851 April,May,June ¼ at Newport S particularly want ot see what George had to say about his father cheers Marilyn Woodcarvings and Wildlife Sculptures http://www.watsonwoodcarver.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/333 - Release Date: 05/05/2006

Hi, Does Shropshire have an on-line ordering service for Marriage records in 1851 like Cheshire? cheers Marilyn I am wanting the marriage cert for George Jackson and Harriet Southall married 1851 April,May,June ¼ at Newport S particularly want ot see what George had to say about his father cheers Marilyn Woodcarvings and Wildlife Sculptures http://www.watsonwoodcarver.com