Good Evening List, I am still on the quest for this grandfather of mine. Need your help and expertise, please. Humphrey LLOYD married Elizabeth BARKLEY 10 Aug 1797, Parish Church of Ellesmere, Parish of Ellesmere, Shropshire, England The marriage had a required bond of 500 GBP, AND a licence requirement. Humphrey occupation was slater. I am thinking that perhaps Miss Elizabeth BARKLEY was of some wealth. If that were the case, would there have been a newspaper account of this marriage? What newspaper, are there records someplace? How to go about finding the information that I need? I welcome any interest to please help me find his roots. I would be very grateful. Regards, Marjorie Lloyd Thompson in Nevada, USA

An Edward HAYTLEY of St. Anne's, Soho, died there in 1762. He left a widow, Elizabeth, who mentioned in her will (1763) Peter and Mary HAYTLEY of Oswestry, and ADNEY family members. Was Elizabeth formerly an ADNEY, and did Edward HAYTLEY marry Elizabeth in a Shropshire parish (most likely about the 1740s)? Best wishes, John Townsend (Wokingham, Berkshire)

Hi all This is a message that I sent to the Clwyd list in reply to a letter of absolute frustration in research, so perhaps it is fitting to be posted to our list here as well. Might help, I hope, to keep some folk on the list keen still in research, despite many frustrations! Hang in there! At 12:58 PM 19/05/2006, Kathleen wrote: >Hello, this message came at a difficult time for me, but my bubble >(patience) has burst ! >>>snip>>> Hello Kathleen, Your situation is not unique. Most of us have gone through some crazy times and heartaches searching the records for folks who have all these great or strange stories told about them, whether to believe or not, well, who would know? Castle or Workhouse! Sometimes the difference is just a slip of the pen or a misinterpretation of writings depending upon who is looking and who is writing and then again, sometimes a deliberate attempt to change descendancy. Some truth is usually attached to these old stories, but not all. In the end the only thing you can believe in is factual records. People invent things, people tell lies, people have reasons for hiding things, family stories become distorted over time so that it is difficult to sort the truth from unreality, though sometimes clues from these stories may lead you to the result. Census takers took liberties, got things wrong, couldn't understand the accent of folks recently arrived in the district, so put down what they reckoned was right. And then, no doubt, dismissed it from their mind as they went on with their business. Often the householders were not much help either, distorting things because they wanted some of their privacy kept secret. "James really came from Llanbrynmair, but we'll put him down as coming from Llanfair because he got into trouble at Llanbrynmair. Keep that quiet, put the lid on that, eh?" "Nellie had an illegitimate child (Alice) in Llantysilio but we'll put her (Alice) down as one of mum & dad's family, so no one will ever know." Even parish priests and curates got things wrong, putting the wrong name down on the baptismal certificate, even male instead of female, and sometimes could not understand the accent of the "new people" in the parish, so that the surname was not always written down as it was pronounced. I can certainly understand your exasperation -- sometimes the research, or the attempt at research -- drives us slightly nuts. But we hang in there because we know that given time even dirty big brick walls are known to tumble. I have had great blockages in some of my genealogy research, but then after some years someone has suddenly come along who has extra information that has helped to break down that blockage, usually through having noted my family interests on the Rootsweb main search website or UK Surnames website. Some of my recent breakthroughs have been sitting unrecognized on these sites for over twelve years, and bingo, within the last six months or less, folk have responded with very gratifying results. You need to put out your interests far and wide so that you may be contacted by others, not simply within a mailing list such as this, but onto websites as the above-mentioned. Of course groups such as Ancestry.com are going to make things difficult for you -- that is the nature of research -- research is always difficult; it is not their fault as such for they can only put online what is available (though sometimes software glitches do create a problem that cannot be easily explained, and there are probably many of these that need attention!) We learn to live with this. I do feel that sometimes we become very impatient with online research, wanting it to explain all, but it cannot do that, it has limitations. Going back to the good old fashioned book research in our public libraries and microfiche/microfilm research, not only in public libraries but especially in LDS libraries seems to stabilize us, settle us down, and put us back in our places. Internet research is still in its infancy, and therefore still fraught with problems. It is of course, the arm chair or feet up, way of researching. How can it be otherwise? Plonk yourself down in front of a good "old fashioned" microfilm for four or five of hours, or several days, which sometimes extends into weeks and one tends to relax. This is an entirely different feeling from skidding almost frantically around the internet. You are transported to a different world -- you find yourself back there in the 19th century or the 18th century looking at the actual writings/scribings (actual signatures even) of curates and vicars as they went about their normal day to day work baptising, marrying and in particular, burying their flock. You are caught up with the many terrible epidemics that sometimes decimated three-quarters or more of a family within weeks. You follow the obvious haemorrhages in childbirth when the mother dies and is buried days or weeks after the birth of a child. And then you follow the husband's sadness as he tries to keep the family together, then marries again as he must, generally to a younger woman for the obvious reason that he needs someone to take care of his children while he puts food on the table. You see further children born to this new bride and you wonder perhaps, if there might have been some sibling jealousy down through the years between the two "families," or even some resentment of the new mother. You see the family sometimes leaving the district and moving to another, and you imagine the upheaval that this must have been, leaving the familiar for the unknown and the insecurity of future work and strange lodgings. You could almost "murder" some of the clergy for their wanton attempt at scrawling their writing and their oft habit of watering down their ink to make it go further, so that it has faded with time, and sometimes what appears to be the spilling of communion wine (sometimes ink) on the pages, but you smile at this and carry on. Foibles are very much, after all, human. Everyone would save a penny if they could. Then, of course, some church official in all his (had to be a male!) infinite wisdom put all these registers as they came to fulfillment, down in the parish chest and went about his business. Over ensuing years, damp, mould, etc. got into the pages and blotted out some of your ancestors! Never existed, did they? So that is the reason why you turn to the census records, and vice a versa. Each record hopefully balancing out, or taking the place, of the other. Then of course, you need to turn to records of wills/probate, taxes, etc., and search like Dr. Watson for your elusive folk. Sherlock Holmes, eat your heart out! I sympathise strongly with those who bang their heads against a wall that seemingly will not fall down. I've had many of those and they have taken years of research to crack, others of course, remain uncracked. I'm still working on them! You have to try everything -- turn everything you can find upside down until it gives you what you want, or is found to be empty. Enough said Good luck in your researching. Never give up. NEVER. NEVER. NEVER. Cherrio Graham Melbourne ==== CLWYD Mailing List ==== Welsh Biography Online (WBO) http://yba.llgc.org.uk/

Hi list, some folks from Prees mentioned, in Chesterfield Admins.. Visit the Journey pages on; http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~spire/journey/index.htm http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~spire/Yesterday/index.htm

----- Original Message ----- From: "veneita maynard" <veneitamaynard@tiscali.co.uk> To: <ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 11:41 AM Subject: Fw: [ENG-SHROP] names > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "veneita maynard" <veneitamaynard@tiscali.co.uk> > To: <ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 3:19 PM > Subject: [ENG-SHROP] names > > >> Researching the names CASSON STEVENS ROBERTS JONES CROTHERS >> >> >> ==== ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS Mailing List ==== >> The 'SUBJECT' line is the first thing others will see - use it wisely. >> PLEASE do not just click on 'reply' - Change the subject line to describe >> more accurately the subject of *your* message. >> This is particularly important when replying to a 'Digest' >> >> ============================== >> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >> areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >> Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >> > > > ==== ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS Mailing List ==== > TO view Eng-Shropshire-Plus archived messages click here: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS.html > If you're new to the list, there may be something useful in the archives > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >

Hi Ian, How late do the marriages go in your copy of the registers? I have ordered in the film for St Martins for 1813-1964 as I am looking for a marriage around 1865 which doesn't appear in the Civil Registrations so I am crossing my fingers that it is in the Parish Registers. Regards, Daff. > -----Original Message----- > > I managed to buy my own copy of the St Martins' registers. I bought the > Shropshire Parish Register Society's book on ebay. So if you ever need > lookups just let me know. > > Ian > >

Hello Daff As a general rule the printed parish registers for Shropshire run from the commencement of the register through to 1812 with a few of the marriages going up to 1837 and one or two going to 1840 but I don't think you will find anything printed after that from the works of the Shropshire Parish Register Society which were compiled about a hundred years ago. Mike ______________________________________________________ H Whitwell wrote: > Hi Ian, > > How late do the marriages go in your copy of the registers? I have ordered > in the film for St Martins for 1813-1964 as I am looking for a marriage > around 1865 which doesn't appear in the Civil Registrations so I am crossing > my fingers that it is in the Parish Registers. > > Regards, > Daff. > > >> -----Original Message----- >> >> I managed to buy my own copy of the St Martins' registers. I bought the >> Shropshire Parish Register Society's book on ebay. So if you ever need >> lookups just let me know. >> >> Ian >> >> >> > > > > ==== ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS Mailing List ==== > TIPS on list etiquette and how to maximise your chances of receiving help can be found at ~ > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donaghmore1/expectations.htm > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > >

Graham Price wrote: > Just received in at the local LDS FH library for my viewing is a > microfilm of BDMs for St. Oswald's Oswestry 1750-1812, Llanymynech > 1678-1812 and St. Martin's 1601-1812, marriages St. M. up to 1837 > (Diocese of St. Asaph) .. Hi Graham, I managed to buy my own copy of the St Martins' registers. I bought the Shropshire Parish Register Society's book on ebay. So if you ever need lookups just let me know. Ian

At 07:49 AM 17/05/2006, you wrote: >Evening listers... >The OGRE website has been updated with the Llanmynech parish registers at: >http://www.genebooks.com/shropshire/llanmynech/ Hi there Transcriptions by the Shropshire Parish Register society, of course, which I have found over the past 13 years of researching are very accurate and contain all that is in the original registers. One cannot do better than that. Very much obliged to you Ogre. Wonderful news. You will get there one by one, steadily putting these onto the website, and so easy to scroll through. I am amazed at your clever use of software so that one can access page by page so easily. Love to see Ellesmere there one day (I keep going back to the microfilms), but I don't think SPRS had the opportunity to copy them before shutting down, so to speak (or merging). Cherrio Graham Melbourne Oz

Evening listers... The OGRE website has been updated with the Llanmynech parish registers at: http://www.genebooks.com/shropshire/llanmynech/ Cheers The OGRE

Hi Jaquie I'm going through an early Ellesmere microfilm at present at the local LDS library, but it is very faded, however (as per my previous mail to you) I am looking out for your Hassalls and your Mary Rogers -- it will take a couple of weeks. If at any time, you wish to view these parish records for yourself, simply book yourself into a local LDS family history library and you can order in as many microfilms of parish records and Bishops transcripts you wish for a very small fee. Here in Oz it is only $5 per film and one gets to look at it for four weeks before it goes back to the central repository in Sydney. These films originally come from Salt Lake City but when viewing is completed they usually return to the major repository in the country they are sent to, so then are available for future viewing. Check out the family history library catalog on the Family Search website at www.familysearch.org by clicking in on "library" on the yellow toolbar at top, then onto the blue bar on the next screen. Go to "place name," and type in Ellesmere, or other, enter - then click on "Ellesmere, Shropshire, England," and then go to "Church Records" -- as you will see there are other options such as taxes. Anyway, the next screen shows you what microfilms are available for Ellesmere. Click on any of these and you will get the details, then click on "view film notes" at the top of the screen and this will give you more details and the number of the microfilm. Cheers Graham Melbourne

Hi all Just received in at the local LDS FH library for my viewing is a microfilm of BDMs for St. Oswald's Oswestry 1750-1812, Llanymynech 1678-1812 and St. Martin's 1601-1812, marriages St. M. up to 1837 (Diocese of St. Asaph). If anyone needs a look-up for these three parishes within the time periods listed (please be specific about dates, names, etc. - no all Jones, Roberts, etc.) feel free to contact me off-list so as not to clutter up the list with queries. This microfilm is a photostat copy of transcriptions made by the Shropshire Parish Register Society in 1914 (so far I have found most SPRS transcriptions to be accurate). I also had an Ellesmere microfilm in, but have "chucked" it back as it was mostly too faint to read. Very faded.... similar to me on a bleak day.....! (That WILL be the day!). Cherrio Graham Melbourne

Dear List Members, If anyone is researching any members of the Chidlow family, and various spellings, who were associated with Market Drayton and the Staffordshire border places Drayton in Hales, Blore Heath, then I would be delighted to hear from you. My interest is in Mary Maria Chidlow, baptised at Market Drayton 8 April 1840, one of the daughters of John and Elizabeth Chidlow. John Chidlow was Toll Gate Keeper in 1851; his wife Elizabeth, nee Hall, from Cheswardine. Best wishes, Kathy

Hello Jaquie I am guessing that she had died before the 1851 census so that you are not able to use that to establish her place of birth. Presumably you have found the marriage date and place as you have her maiden surname. A lot of girls, but not all, married in their home parish so I would suggest you search that parish baptism records for possible entires. Always bear in mind that there may be more than one person with that name so check a little each side of the estimated date of birth. If you can't find her baptism in the parish where she married then have a look on the International Genealogical Index (IGI) on the Mormon site www.familysearch.org to see if you can see any likely people listed in the same area then you can look at any likely registers. The other method is to search all the surrounding parishes in ever wider circles until you find her. Mike ______________________________________________________ Jaquie Cook wrote: > Any idea how I search for parish records? > > I have a Mary Hassall nee Rogers born around 1771. I've only dealth with post 1835 records so far which seem quite easy to trace and process. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Jaquie > > > ==== ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS Mailing List ==== > TIPS on list etiquette and how to maximise your chances of receiving help can be found at ~ > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donaghmore1/expectations.htm > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > >

Any idea how I search for parish records? I have a Mary Hassall nee Rogers born around 1771. I've only dealth with post 1835 records so far which seem quite easy to trace and process. Any help would be appreciated. Jaquie

----- Original Message ----- From: "veneita maynard" <veneitamaynard@tiscali.co.uk> To: <ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 2:52 PM Subject: Fw: [ENG-SHROP] ROBERTS > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "veneita maynard" <veneitamaynard@tiscali.co.uk> > To: <ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 3:59 PM > Subject: [ENG-SHROP] ROBERTS > > >> Looking for a connection of a John Roberts b1798 Kinnerly. His wife was >> Mary Roberts >> John and Mary where my GGGGrandparent there. son was Samuel he was be >> 1823 Maesbrook his wife was Hannah Roberts ( formally Jones)) >> Veneita >> >> >> ==== ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS Mailing List ==== >> Please do not just click on 'reply' - Change the subject line to describe >> more accurately the subject of *your* message. >> This is particularly important when replying to a 'Digest' >> >> ============================== >> Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >> New content added every business day. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >> > > > ==== ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS Mailing List ==== > Please do not just click on 'reply' - Change the subject line to describe > more accurately the subject of *your* message. > This is particularly important when replying to a 'Digest' > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

----- Original Message ----- From: "veneita maynard" <veneitamaynard@tiscali.co.uk> To: <ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 3:59 PM Subject: [ENG-SHROP] ROBERTS > Looking for a connection of a John Roberts b1798 Kinnerly. His wife was > Mary Roberts > John and Mary where my GGGGrandparent there. son was Samuel he was be 1823 > Maesbrook his wife was Hannah Roberts ( formally Jones)) > Veneita > > > ==== ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS Mailing List ==== > Please do not just click on 'reply' - Change the subject line to describe > more accurately the subject of *your* message. > This is particularly important when replying to a 'Digest' > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >

Hi all My website has been upgraded particularly for Peate & Price and the address has been changed due to being on dsl (broadband), so if you are interested go to http://home.pacific.net.au/~gentree/ - the e from genetree is no longer viable, but still the same for the email address. Oh, they (the ISP's) make it difficult! But then, life was not meant to be easy. Cheers Graham

Has anyone got any information on the St. Mary Magdalene, Bridgnorth Parish Registers. I have some information on the children of John Gittos and Elizabeth Gittos (formerly Malpas) but would like to know more detail. I am new to this sort of researching. TLooking for some positive feedback.

Can anyone help with my wife's 3xgt gtandfather, Stephen Jennings, who was born in Walsall c.1806/7. His wife Ann (no maiden name known) was born in Chelmarsh c.1804. His eldest child in the 1851 Census was a John Jennings, born Claverley c.1825. There is a 12 year gap to his next offspring, Ann b. c.1837 Walsall. This makes me wonder if Ann was a second wife? So, Stephen has a child born in Claverley around 1825, John Jennings, possibly by Ann, possibly by a first wife. He marries Ann, a Chelmarsh girl, perhaps around 1835? So does anyone have access to local records for a John Jennings birth - Claverley - around 1825 or for a Stephen Jennings - Ann xxxxxx marriage Chelmarsh 1830-36? tia Gwyn