At 02:56 PM 5/06/2006, Stan & Justine wrote: >OK, lets see if this will work Justine, coming through LOUD and clear. :)) But are you getting it at your end? Cheers Graham

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From : ed_thomas@wxc.net.nz Subject : Looking for BUTTERTON, families in Oswestry, 1918 Date : 4 th. June, 2006 Would S.K.S. please, advise whether there was a BUTTERTON, family living in Oswestry, during the First World War, 1914 - 1918. My interest is in a Martha Jane PRICE, nee, BUTTERTON., ( widow ) Any help would be graciously received. Best wishes, to all. Ted THOMAS. ( New Zealand )

I'm here. Hi there! Jaquie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan & Justine" <ormefam@xtra.co.nz> To: <ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 11:19 PM Subject: [ENG-SHROP] FROM NEW ZEALAND > I'm not getting any mail at all - anybody home? > > Justine > > www.fruitnfire.co.nz <http://www.fruitnfire.co.nz/> > Innovative creators of fine foods for the international table > > > > > ==== ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS Mailing List ==== > If you have sources of guaranteed information for family history/genealogy > research, please post brief details to the list and volunteer to do > look-ups - every little helps. > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >

At 09:58 PM 4/06/2006, ruth.wright@primus.ca wrote: >According to the 1851 census for Whixall, my Francis WINDSOR was born >about 1789 in Northwood,Shropshire. Can anyone tell me where he would have >been baptized? Was there a parish church there or would he have been >baptized in Wem? Hi Ruth There were three Northwood's in Shropshire, to my knowledge, but I seem to recall some Windsor folk being at Ellesmere, where one of the Northwood villages is located. Of course the well known one is near Wem, so could have been either!! I have an Ellesmere microfilm coming, so I will check out the Ellesmere one for you, hopefully with a bit of luck. If he was born in Northwood near Wem, then he would probably have been baptized at Wem. Cheers Graham

Im at home and had very few emails. Maybe folk are on holidays....or enjoying the quick burst of summer. Kind regards Janice

Fellow listers: I'm looking for information on the following Adams family: 1 Richard Adams 1690 - 1724 . +Martha Adams Abt 1690 - ........ 2 Elizabeth Adams 1716 - ........ 2 Richard Adams 1718 - 1778 ............ +Ann Jones Abt 1720 - ................... 3 William Adams 1748 - 1833 ....................... +Ann Reynolds 1740 - 1828 .............................. 4 Thomas Adams 1776 - .............................. 4 Richard Adams 1776 - .............................. 4 William Adams 1778 - 1828 .................................. +Martha Done .......................................... 5 Ann Adams 1809 - .......................................... 5 Edward Adams 1811 - .......................................... 5 William Adams 1811 - .......................................... 5 Benjamin Adams 1813 - .......................................... 5 James Adams 1815 - .......................................... 5 Thomas Adams 1816 - 1904 .............................................. +Hannah Sadler 1827 - 1903 .......................................... 5 Peter Adams 1818 - .......................................... 5 John Adams 1820 - .......................................... 5 Martha Adams 1821 - .......................................... 5 Henry Adams 1826 - .............................. 4 Edward Adams 1788 - ................... 3 Richard Adams 1750 - ................... 3 Edward Adams 1754 - ................... 3 Jane Adams 1756 - ........ 2 Mary Adams 1720 - ........ 2 William Adams 1722 - Locations of birth, marriage and death include: Astley (m 1746, b 1748, b 1778, d 1828, d 1833) St. Aikmund's, Shrewsbury (m 1776) St. Mary's, Shrewsbury (m 1808) Whixall (b 1827) Baschurch (m 1849, b 1850) Burlton, Loppington (b 1855) Shawbury (b 1860) My great-great-grandparents, Thomas Adams (1816-1904) and Hannah Sadler (1827-1903), were married in Baschurch in 1849. They emigrated to York Co., Ontario, Canada, in 1863, and in 1871 were living in Yorkville, York East. Any assistance would be appreciated. Doug Pattison Victoria, British Columbia, Canada

According to the 1851 census for Whixall, my Francis WINDSOR was born about 1789 in Northwood,Shropshire. Can anyone tell me where he would have been baptized? Was there a parish church there or would he have been baptized in Wem? Ruth, Ontario,Canada

Hi List, Thankyou to everyone who answered my query. It seems I have a bit of research now. Margaret in OZ

At 03:34 PM 3/06/2006, JMTsparks@aol.com wrote: > >>>> I have long been wishing for Ellesmere records for my Humphrey LLOYD > and Elizabeth BARKLEY. They married 10 Aug 1797 in Ellesmere. Do you or > anyone else have an idea, reason, why these records were NOT filmed by > the LDS? Big mystery here, I think, was it the Bishop of Litchfield, who > considered that these records were his alone? Hi Marjory I shall have a look for you. I have a film coming. By the way the records of Ellesmere were indeed filmed by LDS. Lots of them. Not sure where you got the information to the negative - of course the Bishop of Lichfield could have withheld his consent, but the records were probably filmed at the Shropshire Archives anyway, so that would by-pass his authority once they were deposited there. Cheers Graham

Hi all Back in the early 1990s I transcribed over a period of several years all I could find from PRs, BTs, SFHS transcripts of baptisms, marriages and burials for a large number of families connected to my Price surname at Ellesmere. Recently a lister enquiring about the Reeves family of Ellesmere sparked me into putting these on an Excel database (didn't have Excel in the 1990s) so out came all the A4 folders containing my transcriptions. Now I have taken the bit between my teeth and am determined to do Excel databases for all my families at Ellesmere, which ought to take me to the end of the year or even into 2007. So far, having done Reeves, Rodenhursts (which were fairly small compared to some) I am currently on the Higginson folk. It's fascinating after all these years to go back to these transcripts and see drama being played out. The Higginsons came into the parish around 1630s, flourished for a while, then virtually disappeared - only a couple of families left by the time of the 1901 census. Most seemed to disappear early 1800s. So far, from 1635 I have 21 marriages, 63 baptisms and only 36 burials, so the move was on to spread far and wide. It is interesting to see how families intermarried around the district and sad to see families losing a number of children so close in time, due no doubt to influenza epidemics, etc. Some Higginsons were gentry, but most were labourers, though all appear to have come from the same source. Anyway, my project (am I mad?) for the future is to do all these interconnected families on Excel, which include, Bickley, Batho, Bather, Boylin, Cross, Cureton, Davies, Hassall, Hayward, Hudson, Mason, Morgan, Peate, Phillips, Price, Mullinex (Molyneaux), Parry, Reeves, Rodenhurst, Warburton. The Davies family frightens me a little, as it is massive in the district! Some other unconnected families I took down for other folk were Carsley, Clay, Onslow, Owen. Might as well do them too. I also intend to cover the other churches in the district, such as Duddleston, Welshampton, Cockshut. This should keep me quiet for a very long time. Want to bet? Cheers Graham Melbourne

Dear All, can anyone please help with an 1841 census lookup ? I have a marriage of a Richard Poole to Elizabeth Espley 13 june 1835 at Market Drayron can you please help me find them on the 1841 or 51 census ? Thank you. Keith in Malta.

Hi, Just a quick last minute mention that today (Sat, 3rd June, 2006) is the Shropshire Family History Society's Open Day at the Shirehall Shrewsbury, 10AM-4PM. I was expecting Ron or Carol (who are in attendance) to post a message, but as I haven’t seen one... Montgomeryshire Genealogical Society will be there as usual, but also for their first "fair" the 1901 Census will have a presence plus all the usual stands. See www.sfhs.org.uk/openday2006.asp for more detail. Gotta dash I am on our Computer Stand! Graham Williams (WebMaster) Shropshire Family History Society -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.1/355 - Release Date: 02/06/2006 ___________________________________________________________ All New Yahoo! Mail – Tired of Vi@gr@! come-ons? Let our SpamGuard protect you. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

Hi Theresa Australia was not settled (convict transportation) until 1788 at Botany Bay (Sydney area). Penrith, itself, was probably not reasonably settled until the early 1800s. It seems that the name you are looking for did exist. The following surname when "translated" is more likely to be Griffith or Griffiths, rather than Griffin, though corruptions do take place and according to your documents appears to be the same family. If you go to this page you will find a tiny bit of information regarding Richard Gruffyd who had a child (apparently) Pengruffydd Gruffydd b: ABT 1543 in Walton, Pembrokeshire, Wales http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=white04&id=I06099 Hope this is of some help. You should be able to contact the researcher who may have other details. Graham Melbourne Oz At 12:40 AM 3/06/2006, Theresa Griffin wrote: >Dear Graham and fellow listers, > >This may sound far-fetched, but I'm never one to shy away from asking >"dumb questions," so here goes: My husband's yet-to-be-proven ancestors >were listed in Samuel Rush Meyrick's version of Dwnn's Heraldic >Visitations as being named Penguffwnd. Syr Richiart Pengriffin, a Parson >of Walton, Rhos Hundred, Pembrokeshire, signed the document. I haven't >seen another person named Pengruffwnd or Pengriffin before or after the >1613 document and I'm suspicious about the name. > >Mr. Brian Swan, a Picton family member has been kind enough to help me by >trying to get a look at a copy of the original Dwnn manuscript to see if >there was an error in the translation. > >In the meanwhile, I was wondering, about the emigration of British from >Shropshire to New South Wales, Australia. I Googled the name Pengriffin >and found a Penny Pengyffyn listed as being a contact for "Family Services >Australia." I've tried to email her via their web site, but I've had no >luck. The interesting thing is that several old (1903, 1920) published >Griffin family histories state that Syr Richiart's great grandfather, also >called Richart (one less "i") was supposed to have retired to Penrith. I >noticed there is a Penrith in New South Wales, Australia. Again, I stand >by my assertion that this is far-fetched, but is it possible that the >family emigrated from England to Australia in the late 1600s? Most of the >Australia emigrations I've seen have happened in the 1800s. I don't >understand why, with at least eleven males in this line, the name, >Pengriffin, if that's really what it was, isn't more easily found. > >Meyrick's version links the family to Shrewsbury, but I have been unable >to verify this statement. > >Thank you for any insight you may have. > >Theresa Griffin >Southern California >Theresa > > >==== ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS Mailing List ==== >DO NOT send 'Unsubscribe' requests to the list. Send a new e-mail with >just the word - unsubscribe - in the message body to ~ >ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-L-request@rootsweb.com ~ Substitute -D- for -L- if in >'Digest' mode. > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Hi Graham, Ooh what a project wish I could help. I have long been wishing for Ellesmere records for my Humphrey LLOYD and Elizabeth BARKLEY. They married 10 Aug 1797 in Ellesmere. Do you or anyone else have an idea, reason, why these records were NOT filmed by the LDS? Big mystery here, I think, was it the Bishop of Litchfield, who considered that these records were his alone? I would be very pleased to hear from any of Humphrey LLOYD'S descendants. Kind Regards, Marjorie LLoyd Thompson in Nevada, USA

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Hello, I am currently assisting a friend in their research of their family tree. We have been able to establish the family came to live in Moreton Say, Shorpshire in 1840 onwards and have found a number of births/marriages and deaths in the local church there. I was wondering if anyone else would be researching this name or area and would be able to offer any connections. Many Thanks Rhian (on behalf of John Ryder)

Dear Graham and fellow listers, This may sound far-fetched, but I'm never one to shy away from asking "dumb questions," so here goes: My husband's yet-to-be-proven ancestors were listed in Samuel Rush Meyrick's version of Dwnn's Heraldic Visitations as being named Penguffwnd. Syr Richiart Pengriffin, a Parson of Walton, Rhos Hundred, Pembrokeshire, signed the document. I haven't seen another person named Pengruffwnd or Pengriffin before or after the 1613 document and I'm suspicious about the name. Mr. Brian Swan, a Picton family member has been kind enough to help me by trying to get a look at a copy of the original Dwnn manuscript to see if there was an error in the translation. In the meanwhile, I was wondering, about the emigration of British from Shropshire to New South Wales, Australia. I Googled the name Pengriffin and found a Penny Pengyffyn listed as being a contact for "Family Services Australia." I've tried to email her via their web site, but I've had no luck. The interesting thing is that several old (1903, 1920) published Griffin family histories state that Syr Richiart's great grandfather, also called Richart (one less "i") was supposed to have retired to Penrith. I noticed there is a Penrith in New South Wales, Australia. Again, I stand by my assertion that this is far-fetched, but is it possible that the family emigrated from England to Australia in the late 1600s? Most of the Australia emigrations I've seen have happened in the 1800s. I don't understand why, with at least eleven males in this line, the name, Pengriffin, if that's really what it was, isn't more easily found. Meyrick's version links the family to Shrewsbury, but I have been unable to verify this statement. Thank you for any insight you may have. Theresa Griffin Southern California Theresa

At 07:57 PM 1/06/2006, Gwynne Chadwick wrote: >In the long term, there will hopefully be another option available for UK >based researchers to view Shropshire Parish records. >I understand that Shropshire Archives in Shrewsbury intend to distribute >copies of the local Parish record fiche to various branch libraries >throughout Shropshire. I wonder if they might make this option available to overseas libraries? I am sure our State Library in Victoria, Australia would be very interested in obtaining these fiche, even at a cost. Shropshire is very poorly represented here, except for the very old books of the Shropshire Parish Register Society up to 1812, in some circumstances marriages to 1837 - and many in very bad condition, falling apart from heavy usage. Is it any wonder they are kept hidden up in the stacks and shrink-wrapped! Bring on the microfiche! Cheers Graham

At 03:11 PM 14/05/2006, Kathleen Johnson wrote: >Has anyone got any information on the St. Mary Magdalene, Bridgnorth >Parish Registers. I have some information on the children of John Gittos >and Elizabeth Gittos (formerly Malpas) but would like to know more >detail. I am new to this sort of researching. TLooking for some >positive feedback. Hello Kathleen St. Mary Magdalane, Bridgnorth registers are available for perusal on microfilm through any LDS family history library. Martha Ellen, Louise, Sarah Jane are all shown on the IGI as being christened at St. Mary 1877, though there seems to have been several families of a John & Elizabeth Gittos/Gittoes of Bridgnorth over a span of 80 years so things could get sticky in separating these families and you need the original registers to do that. I think the full details will be on the microfilm number 1526892 which contains Baptisms 1813-1914 Burials 1813-1913 Marriages 1813-1900 for St. Mary Magdalene. Be aware that there was also St. Leonard in Bridgnorth and registers are available for that church as well. Good luck Graham Melbourne