Hi Joy. I pulled a great card Joy. The men in the Waring family were great writters. I have the memoirs of William Griffith Waring (a cousin of mine and grandfather of the famous Fred Waring of the Pennsylvanians), the diary of my Great Great Grandfather Thomas Waring who came to the USA in 1805and the diary of my Great, Great, Great Grandfather William Waring who came to the USA in 1806 at the age of 57. These records and the accompaning Wills and marriage records took me back to 1722. I went to the IGI and found the records for this Edmund Waring b. 1722 in Herefordshire and for his father William Waring, his father Andrew Waring, and his father Andrew Waring. I made a friend in Herefordshire England who researched the original Parish records and confirmed the births, and also supplied me with the Wills to confirm the information. Another friend in England sent me the marriage certificate for William Waring and Gwynllian Handcorn. I was stuck here for 6 years until another friend clued me into the book "The Atkinson's of Roxy and their related families." This gave me another generation back, with the confirming Wills and genealogical charts that put a LOT of the pieces together. I'm now stuck there and praying for another break. William Griffith Waring didn't record the generations beyond Edmund Waring b. 1722 because as he said "it has already been written down back 12 generations." I have yet to find that. I did discover that there was an ancient Waring Bible that I have been searching for 15 years for that was in the possession of my Great Uncle John that disappeared from his room at the home shortly before his death two years ago. That may have some answers if I ever get ahold of the Waring that stole it. See? It's easy. Now I run a Waring research group to help other Waring's find their answers. I have had better luck though in connecting familys that had lost touch than I have in breaking down walls. Hopefully I can find more answers in the future. Renee L. Waring

My goodness, seems like we are going to have a good time now with Wolfie and Mellie. I do have something to say regarding the sharing of information with limitations. Years ago I was just like most genealogists. What I found was MINE!. Soooo....I took the family back 3 more generations than anyone EVER took this family back. Don't ask for the info unless you intend to keep it a secret. Of course the inevitable occurred as it always does when you share secrets. The cat was soon out of the bag. Much of my research was very quickly becoming everyone else's great find and my name was lost in the shuffle. I fussed, I fumed. One day I woke up. What good does it do me to sit here and get angry over this? In fact, these people may have done me a favor. The more my information gets out, the more people out there hear about it, the better chances are that I may be able to break down my brick walls. What I imagined DID OCCUR!!! I started by sharing whatever I found on the Internet that may be of use to other's on the Rootsweb lists. My name and my interests started becoming known and my philosophy of sharing what I find with others rubbed off. Soon people were contacting me with what I needed and within two years I got an email from a friend who appreciates my work and he gave me the clue that set me back one more generation, with the proof to confirm it. HOLLY COW!!!!!!!! I am so pleased that my efforts have paid off for me and hope it continues to do so. I also pray that everyone reading this understands what I'm trying to say. Keeping secrets is no way to conduct a genealogical investigation. Spread your word and works and it will come back to bless you. PS. It is ALWAYS nice when credit is given where it is due, but if it is not that's the nature of the beast. Don't be hurt, just keep killing them with honey. You will be the bigger "man" for it. Sincerely, Renee L. Waring Owner Operator The Center for Waring Family History "We live as long as we are remembered." F = Luther Perks Waring m. Leah Jane Vaughn Clearfield Co., PA, USA GF = Edmund Luther Waring m. Eva Ruth Breth Clearfield Co., PA, USA GGF = Franklin Bowman Waring m. Florence Curley Clearfield Co., PA, USA GGGF = Thomas Waring m. Margery Beers 1836 Clearfield Co., PA, USA GGGGF = William Waring (Grandfather of William Griffith Waring) m. Gynnllian Hancorn 1793 Herefordshire, Engl. GGGGGF = Edmund Waring m. Anne Cooke 1748 Leominster, Herefordshire, England GGGGGGF = William Waring m. Margery Barley (Barloe) 1719 Leominster, Herefordshire, England GGGGGGGF = Andrew Waring (1665 - ) m. Ann Leominster, Herefordshire, England GGGGGGGGF = Andrew Waring m .Margaret Hays 1662 Shropshire, England GGGGGGGGGF = Henry Waring m. Joanne Pierce 1639 Shropshire, England

Hello is anyone Researching these names Stevens( Carruthers) Crothers ;Roberts ;Jetson Veneita

>> What have I done!!? :-) Regards Mark<< LOL afternoon Mark, check your inbox LOL and let me know how many gedcoms you want, LOL at this very moment I have your folder open and a cuppa so I am working on yours at the moment LOL hey it keeps me quiet and amused, and stops me picking on people LOL everyone feel sorry for mark, he thought he was getting a gedcom of a "family" LOL the line goes back to about 1510 and they all have loads of kids LOL the good news is they dont connect to the "nutter" line! thats mine alone LOL Mellie How Come My Coat Of Arms Has Buckles At The Back?

Wolfie...........Genealogy: People collecting people! and on the point of people collecting people LOL, like snnowballs downhill, here is todays gem of wisdom! I decided to go back to Genes Reunited, not been there for a long time, (this may serve as a warning note to some) I know that the family tree I have shared with others has been put on there in its entirety complete, living rellies and all!!!!!!!!!!!!! so i put a skeleton pedigree on there, only living people are me my husband and my mother! I contacted someone who has, within "their" tree, someone that is closely related to me, upon my contacting them they have looked at my "skeleton" and their email says: >>Re Doris Dainard Yes it is the same person, quite a bit removed from me, but I have included it anyway, have a look at my tree it will help you with the ancestors of Kezia Blackham, if you want me to send you a Gedcom, email me direct< my respons was: >>Kezia blackham! how are you connected to kezia? she is of course my gr gr >>great granma. And Doris Dainard was my grandfathers 2nd wife. I have all the Blackhams, but I only put a skeleton pedigree on GR, no point in putting my entire tree on there when several other people already have huh?<< my point of this gem of wisdom, is that I expressly FORBADE the original people I shared the tree with, as they shared with me connecting lines, to put the information online, as was the agreement with family members who had shared information with me, (often sensitive information) some of this information was the result of years of research by some people, and some was even "paid" research by people overseas! and some people just didn't want to be "online". I have never added anyones research into my tree without thier express permission, they are always quoted as the source, and the only tree online is the skeleton I put there yesterday!! I would add that GR is NOT the only place I have found my Tree!! Privacy ends where the internet begins! remeber that for other peoples sakes! right thats the serious email of the year out of the way, whats next? Mellie How Come My Coat Of Arms Has Buckles At The Back?

>>This used to be a quiet list. If Mellie is here then you'd all better hold on for a rough ride. No-one is safe from having the mickey taken out of them. Oh hi Mellie, how are you? Wolfie...........Genealogy: People collecting people! << are you implying that MOI is noisy? huh? well are ya. do ya feel lucky LOL I may have been dancing to the Busker in worcester centre but it was YOU who unravelled an entire microfilm across the 6 ft desks and scrambled over them to get it back hissing the whole time I just ROTFLMFAO!!!! and, what are buds for if not to extract the urine? huh? huh? I have allready given JanC some sarcasm tdoay LOL And.. If I can't have fun doing family history I will give it up!! its called celebrate the life not mourn the death!! and you also know I am the first to take the mickey outa myself LOL geez life amuses me! Mellie How Come My Coat Of Arms Has Buckles At The Back?

This used to be a quiet list. If Mellie is here then you'd all better hold on for a rough ride. No-one is safe from having the mickey taken out of them. Oh hi Mellie, how are you? Wolfie...........Genealogy: People collecting people! -----Original Message----- From: Mellie [mailto:chouikh2006@btinternet.com] Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 3:19 PM To: ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-SHROP] Good Afternoon Shropshire!! You lucky lsiters have the pleasure of my company and few queries that I am hoping someone can help with! I have a JABEZ HODSON b 1866, (Wellington?) Newport Shrops, his parents are THOMAS HODSON b 1825 Lillieshall and SARAH WHITE b 1826 also Lillieshall his parents are JOHN HODSON b 1796 Shropshire and SARAH ? b 1796 Shropshire. any info on these would be warmly welcomed. JABEZ had 5 children, (4 sons 1 daughter) that I have located, 2 of the sons emigrated to the US, (HERBERT and WILLIAM) in 1913 and 1926 respectively. if anyone has any connections to these I would like to hear from you! Mellie How Come My Coat Of Arms Has Buckles At The Back? ==== ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS Mailing List ==== TIPS on list etiquette and how to maximise your chances of receiving help can be found at ~ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donaghmore1/expectations.htm ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/407 - Release Date: 03/08/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/409 - Release Date: 04/08/2006

----- Original Message ----- From: "JanO" <jo004b8506@blueyonder.co.uk> To: "Mellie" <chouikh2006@btinternet.com> Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-SHROP] Good Afternoon Shropshire!! > Hi Mel, > I knows ya from both lists. > Yow cum to play us up now. > lol its not just me thats crazy LOL let me inform you all, that this was sent to me off list, actually JanO (book him JanO LOL) could have opened her "office" window and I could have opened mine and she could have said this to me LOL "knows me from both lists" ROTFL we are knocking a hole through the dividing wall of our "offices" so that we can pass cups of tea and more importantly everytime janO screws up her computer I can lean through and put it right instead of having to go downstairs out the door in her door and up her stairs LOL shes my next door neighbour ROTLFMFAO Mellie How Come My Coat Of Arms Has Buckles At The Back? > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/409 - Release Date: 04/08/2006 > >

Hi Mellie Welcome to the list. This looks like your John & Sarah family (from the IGI). 1. SARAH HODSON - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 15 NOV 1829 Lilleshall, Shropshire, England 2. JOHN HODSON - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 30 JUN 1822 Lilleshall, Shropshire, England 3. JAMES HODSON - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 04 AUG 1833 Lilleshall, Shropshire, England 4. THOMAS HODSON - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 03 OCT 1824 Lilleshall, Shropshire, England 5. JOSEPH HODGSON - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 18 AUG 1820 Lilleshall, Shropshire, England 6. WILLIAM HODSON - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 18 FEB 1827 Lilleshall, Shropshire, England Have you ever thought of the possibility that your earlier Hodsons/Hodgsons came from Staffordshire? There are quite a number of them around Stafford. Some marriages that might fit, also. Just a thought. Cheers Graham Melbourne Oz

>>Hi Mellie Welcome to the list. This looks like your John & Sarah family (from the IGI).<< Thaks Graham, its been a while since I was last subbed to this list, I generally make a menace of myself (easily done!) on the Black Country list! John and Sarah Hodson were born 1796 Shropshire, unless someone has these going further back I wont be breaking my neck to find them LOL My interest in thils Line is William James Hodson b1893, emigrated to the US abt 1926. William was married to my Great Aunt. i am really just looking for a connection into this line if anyone has one, and is brave enough to admit it LOL! if there is anyone on this list that also knows me from the BC list they will know this is the "nutter" line!!!! Mellie How Come My Coat Of Arms Has Buckles At The Back?

You lucky lsiters have the pleasure of my company and few queries that I am hoping someone can help with! I have a JABEZ HODSON b 1866, (Wellington?) Newport Shrops, his parents are THOMAS HODSON b 1825 Lillieshall and SARAH WHITE b 1826 also Lillieshall his parents are JOHN HODSON b 1796 Shropshire and SARAH ? b 1796 Shropshire. any info on these would be warmly welcomed. JABEZ had 5 children, (4 sons 1 daughter) that I have located, 2 of the sons emigrated to the US, (HERBERT and WILLIAM) in 1913 and 1926 respectively. if anyone has any connections to these I would like to hear from you! Mellie How Come My Coat Of Arms Has Buckles At The Back?

For those who do not receive British tv coverage, of whats become available on line today: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/domesday and without the domesday added, gives me a much better chance of accessing wills, as I have been very slow on update for these. Believe translations are available, needed for: Jo.

Hi Everyone The above list has been updated. As usual please check your entries and also advise me of changes. I know that some Email addresses may be out of date and I would appreciate being able to update these ASAP. Web Address www.dfnoble.com/CULnames For new researchers this a list of over 6000 names being researched. The people on the list may hold the key to solving your research and you may also be able to help them in return. Regards Gerald

Dear Listers, I wonder if anyone can help me with census look ups for the families of two Shropshire grannies. 1. Susannah Jones was the daughter of John and Ann JONES born in Westbury in 1807. By 1841 she was married and living in Wolverhampton, but I wonder if there is any trace of John and Ann or of siblings in the Westbury area by the time of the 1841, 1851 censuses. 2. Mary Ann CHILTON was born in 1818 in the Wroxeter area to Richard and Mary Chilton and again by 1841 was married and living in Wolverhampton. Other children were : Richard 1808, Leighton, Martha 1808, Emma 1813 Morrell's Wood, Leighton, Thomas 1816 ditto, Samuel 1820 Wroxeter, Robert 1822 Uppington, and Harriet 1825 Wood Green. Again I wonder if any of these parents or siblings show up on the early censuses. I will be heading for Shropshire any day now and hope to take a look at the areas where these grannies lived . Best wishes, Mary

Does anyone have in their Tree the Family of a Daniel Hampson who is listed in the 1851 Census as living in Dudleston with his family.I am particularly interested in his Wife Elizabeth,and the two Step-Children William and Elizabeth Lee.I also found the Marriage in Ellesmere in 1841 of a Daniel Hampson and an Elizabeth Lee.As Elizabeth Hampson is listed as 33 years of age,and William Lee is listed as being 16 years of age,I would obviously like to know whether Elizabeth Lee was a Widow or a Spinster when she married Daniel. Regards William Russell Jones Cefn Mawr Wrexham.

That's a very interesting site. Thank you Alejandro. Jacqui from London Shropshire surname interests - Coxall and Bebb

I accidentally discovered that the text of the VCH volumes is available online for free (registration required), fully searchable, at http://www.british-history.ac.uk/place.asp Click on "Sources " and go to page 3 for Shropshire volumes 2, 4, 10 and 11 - and many other goodies. Pretty amazing. Alejandro Milberg Bostn, Mass.

Hi Evryone For those with interests in Cumberland I hope to update the Surname List within the next day or so. Please could you check that your Email addresses are still up to-date at www.dfnoble.com/CULnames For new researchers and of course existing, the information I need is the Surname being researched, Email address, Places of interest where known and approx time periods. If you have a web site that will be a bonus. Please could you send your information at any time but if you wish to catch the next up date it needs to be with me within 24 hours. This is an ideal way to breakdown brick walls. Regards Gerald

Hello Graham, Thank you very much for this helpful information, and your offer to do a further look up for me. This is certainly a great leap forward in my Drury family research. At the moment I am still trying to digest all this new information, and fit it together. This is not easy since it seems my Drury Ellesmere family did not have much imagination when it came to naming their children, and these records do not record middle names. I find it curious that the record of Thomas Drury's baptism does not include his middle name 'John', which was recorded in his death notice. No other members of the Drury family baptised in Ellesmere, have their middle names recorded, so I assume that it was not the custom to record the full name of a child when baptised in 18th century England? I would be greatful if some one could clear this up for me, as this is my first venture into British genealogical research. I am hoping to take my Drury lineage further back. The history and genealogy of the Drury family has been very well documented, the line has been traced back, unbroken, to the Norman conquest. Regrettably, the Shropshire branch of this family seems to be the least well researched. Graham, I look forward to hearing what further information you can dig up. Your help is greatly appreciated. Best wishes, Mark Lingenfelder. Durban, South Africa. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Price" <genetree@pacific.net.au> To: <ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 9:35 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-SHROP] DRURY, of Ellesmere, Shropshire > At 01:51 PM 27/07/2006, Mark Lingenfelder wrote: >>Greetings to all, I would like to know if anyone has information regarding >>the Drury family of Ellesmere, Shropshire. One of my ancestors, Thomas >>John Drury, came to South Africa in 1806 at the age of 27. He died on the >>2nd July 1835. According to his death notice, which is just about the only >>source that gives details of his birth, it mentions that he was from >>Ellesmere, Shropshire, England.>>>> snip>>>. > > Hello Mark, > I have recently been scrolling through a microfilm of transcriptions re. > St. Mary Ellesmere. It is still at the local LDS library, so I shall have > a bo-peep at "your" Thomas Drury next Tuesday, lucky as we have the dates > so I can go straight to them. I have to say though, that the baptism > records for that period at St. Mary, Ellesmere, only give the parents > names and the place or district of residence, such as Colemere, > Duddleston, Ellesmere, and so on, so there will not be any godparents etc. > mentioned. > > From Family Search - seems the previous family (grandparents) are William > Drury who married a Catherine and had children baptised: > > John Drury 03 Jul 1748 at Duddleston (just out of Ellesmere) > Most probable, William Drury 09 Jul 1750 at St. Martins > Most probable, Ann Drury 24 Feb 1754 at St. Martins > Robert Drury 10 Oct 1756 at Ellesmere > Thomas Drury 13 Apr 1759, who married Ann. > And who both then had Thomas Drury bap. 02 Apr 1779 at Ellesmere. > > The marriage of William Drury is shown as at Ellesmere 17 NOV 1745 with > Catherine SPEAK. > > According to the IGI Robert Drury married Sarah Sharwood at Ellesmere > about 29 Jun 1763. This is interesting, as it is shown to be an extraction > from records and not an insertion by an LDS member. I shall try and find > the marriage on Tuesday. > > John Drury appears to have married a Martha Ralphs 18 Feb 1760 in > Shropshire. This is an insertion by an LDS member, therefore someone else > is or was researching this family. > William Drury (the younger) married Mary Sides 09 Sept 1770 at St. Mary > Ellesmere. (Extraction from records). Sides and Ralphs were standard > surnames in the Ellesmere district in those days. > > Regarding St. Martins registers, if no one else gets to it before next > week, I shall have a look to see if there is any further info re. this > family. These are transcripts (very accurate) by the Shropshire Parish > Register Society and often give the place of abode and sometimes the > occupation. > > Cheers > Graham > Melbourne > Oz >

Whilst this was not a workhouse death, have a death cert (and read coroner's report at Shrewsbury archives), for a person who in 1880s had verdict "........ whilst temporarily insane". For a Liverpool have another " .... whilst temporarily insane", again not in a workhouse. Do not know what the modern rendering would be. Jo.