Hello Alejandro I completely missed View Edge as a possibility but I am sure you are correct. It is certainly in Stokesay parish. Mike ______________________________________________________ AMilb36287@aol.com wrote: > Thanks a lot, Mike. I hadn't been able to find Richard O. in 1851, so your > comment came in very handy too. > > How about Viewedge? The enumerator may have written Veawedge - check the OS > map at SO 422 806 GB Grid. It's about 1.5 km southwest of Stokesay and > apparently it was also called Weo Edge. > > Alejandro > Hello Alejandro > > The enumerator obviously used phonetic spelling and had a pretty good > Shropshire accent! Cruvenarmes is obviously Craven Arms and V*nal > Cornon is Vernolds Common which is not far away. > > I notice in the 1851 census Richard is indexed as Richard OMANS > HO.107/1982 folio 633 page 6 and his place of birth is given as Stokesay > which is the parish which includes Craven Arms. > > Richard had obviously died before the 1871 census. > > Like you I am unable to work out what Vearssedge is supposed to > represent even though I lived at Craven Arms for 12 months many years > ago. I can't find anything on the modern Ordnance Survey map nor on the > Old Maps web site at www.old-maps.co.uk - enter the co-ordinates > 343974,281500 or the place name Stokesay to see an 1890 map of the > area. Use the Enlarged View button at the bottom of the screen for a > better view. > > Mike > _______________________________ > > > ==== ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS Mailing List ==== > TIPS on list etiquette and how to maximise your chances of receiving help can be found at ~ > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donaghmore1/expectations.htm > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > >

Thanks a lot, Mike. I hadn't been able to find Richard O. in 1851, so your comment came in very handy too. How about Viewedge? The enumerator may have written Veawedge - check the OS map at SO 422 806 GB Grid. It's about 1.5 km southwest of Stokesay and apparently it was also called Weo Edge. Alejandro Hello Alejandro The enumerator obviously used phonetic spelling and had a pretty good Shropshire accent! Cruvenarmes is obviously Craven Arms and V*nal Cornon is Vernolds Common which is not far away. I notice in the 1851 census Richard is indexed as Richard OMANS HO.107/1982 folio 633 page 6 and his place of birth is given as Stokesay which is the parish which includes Craven Arms. Richard had obviously died before the 1871 census. Like you I am unable to work out what Vearssedge is supposed to represent even though I lived at Craven Arms for 12 months many years ago. I can't find anything on the modern Ordnance Survey map nor on the Old Maps web site at www.old-maps.co.uk - enter the co-ordinates 343974,281500 or the place name Stokesay to see an 1890 map of the area. Use the Enlarged View button at the bottom of the screen for a better view. Mike _______________________________

Hello Alejandro The enumerator obviously used phonetic spelling and had a pretty good Shropshire accent! Cruvenarmes is obviously Craven Arms and V*nal Cornon is Vernolds Common which is not far away. I notice in the 1851 census Richard is indexed as Richard OMANS HO.107/1982 folio 633 page 6 and his place of birth is given as Stokesay which is the parish which includes Craven Arms. Richard had obviously died before the 1871 census. Like you I am unable to work out what Vearssedge is supposed to represent even though I lived at Craven Arms for 12 months many years ago. I can't find anything on the modern Ordnance Survey map nor on the Old Maps web site at www.old-maps.co.uk - enter the co-ordinates 343974,281500 or the place name Stokesay to see an 1890 map of the area. Use the Enlarged View button at the bottom of the screen for a better view. Mike _______________________________ AMilb36287@aol.com wrote: > I'm totally baffled by the Salop place of birth given in the 1861 Census for > Richard ONIONS. He was then residing at Stanton Lacy. Ancestry transcribes it > as 'Vearssedge'. The page is RG9-1835-71-1, and I can send a detail if anyone > wishes to take a look. Richard appears in the third house. > > Makes you wonder what was going on with this enumerator, since Richard's > daughter Emily was born at "Cruvenarmes", Salop... and one line above Richard > there's a woman who was born at "V*nal Cornon", Salop... > > Thank you! > > Alejandro Milberg > Boston, Mass. > > > ==== ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS Mailing List ==== > Please do not just click on 'reply' - Change the subject line to describe more accurately the subject of *your* message. > This is particularly important when replying to a 'Digest' > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > >

I'm totally baffled by the Salop place of birth given in the 1861 Census for Richard ONIONS. He was then residing at Stanton Lacy. Ancestry transcribes it as 'Vearssedge'. The page is RG9-1835-71-1, and I can send a detail if anyone wishes to take a look. Richard appears in the third house. Makes you wonder what was going on with this enumerator, since Richard's daughter Emily was born at "Cruvenarmes", Salop... and one line above Richard there's a woman who was born at "V*nal Cornon", Salop... Thank you! Alejandro Milberg Boston, Mass.

At 12:32 PM 9/08/2006, Janese wrote: >Hullo Dave and Listers. >My 4 times great grandfather William BARRETT was born in Forden >Shropshire. Arriving as a convict in Australia 1818. He was >convicted with Cornelious BARRETT. So far I have been unable to >pinpoint his birth/baptisim. Hi Janese Fortunately for you the early Forden (Montgomeryshire) records for christenings and marriages are on the British Vital Records Disks version 2 - so close to the Shropshire border as to be counted as being in Shropshire by many folk. There is only one Forden in that area. I consider that this is your William, unless he was an old man by the time he was convicted, which seems unlikely, as the only other William was christened in 1758! BARRET, William Christening Gender: Male Christening Date: 12 Jun 1796 Recorded in: Forden, Montgomeryshire, Wales Father: John BARRET Mother: Mary Source: FHL Film 992303 Dates: 1663 - 1833 The Cornelius Barrett you seek may well be: BARRET, Cornelius Christening Gender: Male Christening Date: 23 Apr 1786 Recorded in: Forden, Montgomeryshire, Wales Father: John BARRET Mother: Elizabeth Source: FHL Film 992303 Dates: 1663 - 1833 Possibly a cousin, or an elder brother by an earlier marriage, who may well have led poor young William astray! Upon checking the records for an earlier marriage of a John Barrett I find there is none at Forden who fit, so these marriages obviously took place at another parish. As the BVR disks also the IGI do not generally include deaths, the only way one can find out if this John senior married earlier (and whether Elizabeth died early), or whether there were two Johns would be to obtain the microfilm (as above) and view it at one at the LDS (Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints) family history libraries at the cost of $5 Oz. I am unable to state that the following are all one family, though it would seem so. The only way to check this out is to apply for the microfilm of original registers. BARRET, George Chr 14 Dec 1788 Wales Mont Forden Fa: John BARRET Mo: Mary BARRET, Hannah Chr 20 Feb 1791 Wale Mont Forden Fa: John BARRET Mo: Mary BARRET, Penelope Chr 1 Dec 1793 Wale Mont Forden Fa: John BARRET Mo: Mary BARRET, Richard Chr 7 Jul 1799 Wales Mont Forden Fa: John BARRET Mo: Mary BARRET, Mary Chr 16 Aug 1801 Wales Mont Forden Fa: John BARRET Mo: Mary BARRETT, Richard Chr 7 Oct 1804 Wales Mont Forden Fa: John BARRETT Mo: Mary BARRETT, Mary Chr 10 Aug 1806 Wales Mont Forden Fa: John BARRETT Mo: Mary Again, unless there are two families here, it would appear that two children died in infancy and their names were then given to later born children. Apart from Cornelius, children born earlier to a John & Elizabeth are: BARRET, John Chr1776 Wales Mont Forden Fa: John BARRET Mo: Elizabeth BARRET, James Chr1781 Wale s Mont Forden Fa: John BARRET Mo: Elizabeth BARRET, Hannah Chr1783 Wale s Mont Forden Fa: John BARRET Mo: Elizabeth Assuming that my premise is correct that there was only the one John Barrett who married firstly, Elizabeth, then Mary, it would appear that this is he: BARRET, John Christening Gender: Male Christening Date: 8 Apr 1751 Recorded in: Forden, Montgomeryshire, Wales Father: John BARRET Mother: Penelope Source: FHL Film 992303 Dates: 1663 - 1833 Whose other children were: BARRET, John Chr 8 Apr 1751 BARRET, Mary Chr 24 Jun 1753 BARRET, Margaret Chr 20 Mar 1756 BARRET, George Chr 9 Oct 1757 BARRET, Margaret Chr 15 Nov 1760 BARRET, Penelope Chr 10 Jul 1763 BARRET, Anne Chr 27 Nov 1765 BARRET, Edward Chr 1 Nov 1766 BARRET, Thomas Chr 1 Nov 1766 BARRET, Richard Chr 20 Oct 1769 There is no marriage shown for John & Penelope at Forden. Obviously at another parish, or perhaps at a non-conformist church. Parishes within 9 miles radius worth looking at could be: (Taken from Parloc (Parish Locator) Parish Name Type,County,Country,Os Ref Distance & Direction =========== ========================= ==================== Berriew P MGY WLS SJ1800 2.5 West Bettws Cadewain P MGY WLS SO1296 6.7 West by South West Buttington P MGY WLS SJ2408 5.1 North by North East Castle Caereinion P MGY WLS SJ1605 4.9 North West Church Stoke P MGY WLS SO2794 4.9 South East Guilsfield P MGY WLS SJ2312 7.5 North Hyssington P MGY WLS SO3194 6.7 East by South East Kerry P MGY WLS SO1489 8.4 South West Llandyssil P MGY WLS SO1995 3.6 South by South West Llanfair-Caereinion P MGY WLS SJ1006 8.3 West by North West Llangyniew P MGY WLS SJ1208 8.0 North West Llanllwchaiarn P MGY WLS SO1194 7.8 West by South West Llanmerewig P MGY WLS SO1592 6.6 South West Mainstone P SAL ENG SO2787 8.6 South by South East Manafon P MGY WLS SJ1102 6.9 West Montgomery P MGY WLS SO2296 2.5 South Newtown P MGY WLS SO1192 8.4 South West Shelve P SAL ENG SO3398 6.9 East Snead P MGY WLS SO3192 7.5 South East Tregynon P MGY WLS SO0998 8.2 West Welshpool P MGY WLS SJ2207 4.3 North Worthen P SAL ENG SJ3204 6.7 East by North East SAL being Shropshire and MGY being Montgomeryshire in Wales. Good luck Graham Melbourne Oz

Hullo Dave and Listers. My 4 times great grandfather William BARRETT was born in Forden Shropshire. Arriving as a convict in Australia 1818. He was convicted with Cornelious BARRETT. So far I have been unable to pinpoint his birth/baptisim. His first born son was John. I would certainly appreciate some guidence in how I can confirm his birth details and who his parents were and if he and cornelious were related. Warm regards Jen Australia.

This was posted to the Shropshire List in 2002 by Beverley Morris Annes of Arizona. Is this what you are looking for Anthony? According to 'In search of your British and Irish Roots' by Angus Baxter he says: The first son was named after the father's father, the second son after the mother's father, the third son after the father, the fourth son after the father's eldest brother, the first daughter after the mother's mother, the second daughter after the father's mother, the third daughter after the mother, the fourth daughter after the mother's eldest sister There were exceptions to the pattern when the naming system produced a duplication of names. In that case, the name was taken from the next on the list; i.e. if the eldest son was named John after the father's father, and the mother's father was also named John, then the second son was named after the father. The pattern was especially used during the years 1700-1875. Many of my own researched families do indeed follow this pattern. Hope this helps. Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Antony Jordan" <tony@antonyjordan.freeserve.co.uk> To: <ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 5:41 PM Subject: [ENG-SHROP] English Marriage & Naming Traditions > Does anyone on the list know of any good sites that explain English marriage > and children naming traditions? > > Thanks, > > Tony > > > > ==== ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS Mailing List ==== > DO NOT send 'Unsubscribe' requests to the list. Send a new e-mail with just the word - unsubscribe - in the message body to ~ ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-L-request@rootsweb.com ~ Substitute -D- for -L- if in 'Digest' mode. > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

Hi All, following on from my commnets about family trees ebing banded about, I promise that this is the last comment! I took this from GR, it is relevant to someone on this list! "I found my grandfather in Sherry's tree. I sent her a message to make sure it was him and she replied with 5 generations of my family I knew nothing about!" - Chris in Wales This would be the same "Sherry" that is related to my next door neighbour, who gave Sherry a copy of the tree to look at who then put it on GR and refuses to remove the living names, or acknowledge my enighbours emails! and sends out "her" tree to all and sundry!! Hey JanO You need a stiff drink to calm down after reading that one? Mellie How Come My Coat Of Arms Has Buckles At The Back?

Does anyone on the list know of any good sites that explain English marriage and children naming traditions? Thanks, Tony

Janet, Ann turns up in 1871 RG10/2725 Folio 110, Pg 37, Schedule 196 as Ann SANKEY, Mar, Aged 38, born Neen Savage, living in with John TAFT a widowed Bootmaker, No 9 Waterside, St Lawrence, Ludlow, SAL. The clinchers are her children Emma M WEALE, Aged 14, & Charles W WEALE, Aged 10, both House K "Daur", born Ashford Carbonell, SAL. They tie in with Richard & Ann's children on the 1861 I think, so Richard must have died and Ann remarried. Ludlow Jan-Mar 1865 there is a possible marriage Thomas SANKEY and Ann WEALE. They avoided my searches for them in 1881! Late result RG11/2615, Folio 83, Page 28, Schedule 123, still at No 9 ... and Mr TAFT. Annie SANKEY Wid, born Stanton Lacy + Charles as a visitor. I have sent you separate links to the images. Hope some of this helps. Graham, Shrewsbury, SAL -----Original Message----- From: j.barry2@ntlworld.com [mailto:j.barry2@ntlworld.com] Sent: 08 August 2006 11:16 To: ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-SHROP] HELP -where are these places please???? Morning All I am returning to this list after "hitting a brick wall" with this side of my family and moving on to other Counties. Yesterday for soem reason I decided to take a look at the 1861 census and lo and behold I managed to find my GG Grandfather whom my sister and I had been looking for for 4 years! I found RICHARD WEAL, 28 (the family name is now WEALE)with his wife ANN,27 (Smith- no chance of finding her!)and their children Emma,4 and Charles W 1,(my GGrandfather who to confuse future generations changed his name to Wilfred by 1894) living in Whitcliff, Ludford, which I know is just by Ludlow as my sister and I visited there a couple of years ago. My dilema is on the 1861 it says Richard was born in DALBURY and Ann was born in NEOANE - I have never heard of either of these 2 places? CAN ANY ONE HELP PLEASE. Also can anyone see if they can find them on the 1851,1871 and 1881. They married in Dec 1855 I am just about to send off for the certificate and I know Richard had died before Wilfred married in 1894, I have not managed to find Ann's death yet. Any help would be appreciated Janet xxx ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information ==== ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS Mailing List ==== DO NOT send virus/worm/hoax warnings to the list. If you receive a suspicious e-mail with an attachment, delete it. Virus discussions are a no-no. ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/411 - Release Date: 07/08/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/411 - Release Date: 07/08/2006 ___________________________________________________________ Copy addresses and emails from any email account to Yahoo! Mail - quick, easy and free. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/trueswitch2.html

DALBURY is probaby Diddlebury with a Salop accent ! Good Luck Margaret Sheridan Subject: [ENG-SHROP] HELP -where are these places please???? Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 10:15:39 +0000 Morning All I am returning to this list after "hitting a brick wall" with this side of my family and moving on to other Counties. Yesterday for soem reason I decided to take a look at the 1861 census and lo and behold I managed to find my GG Grandfather whom my sister and I had been looking for for 4 years! I found RICHARD WEAL, 28 (the family name is now WEALE)with his wife ANN,27 (Smith- no chance of finding her!)and their children Emma,4 and Charles W 1,(my GGrandfather who to confuse future generations changed his name to Wilfred by 1894) living in Whitcliff, Ludford, which I know is just by Ludlow as my sister and I visited there a couple of years ago. My dilema is on the 1861 it says Richard was born in DALBURY and Ann was born in NEOANE - I have never heard of either of these 2 places? CAN ANY ONE HELP PLEASE. Also can anyone see if they can find them on the 1851,1871 and 1881. They married in Dec 1855 I am just about to send off for the certificate and I know Richard had died before Wilfred married in 1894, I have not managed to find Ann's death yet. Any help would be appreciated Janet xxx ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information ==== ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS Mailing List ==== DO NOT send virus/worm/hoax warnings to the list. If you receive a suspicious e-mail with an attachment, delete it. Virus discussions are a no-no. ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

Morning All I am returning to this list after "hitting a brick wall" with this side of my family and moving on to other Counties. Yesterday for soem reason I decided to take a look at the 1861 census and lo and behold I managed to find my GG Grandfather whom my sister and I had been looking for for 4 years! I found RICHARD WEAL, 28 (the family name is now WEALE)with his wife ANN,27 (Smith- no chance of finding her!)and their children Emma,4 and Charles W 1,(my GGrandfather who to confuse future generations changed his name to Wilfred by 1894) living in Whitcliff, Ludford, which I know is just by Ludlow as my sister and I visited there a couple of years ago. My dilema is on the 1861 it says Richard was born in DALBURY and Ann was born in NEOANE - I have never heard of either of these 2 places? CAN ANY ONE HELP PLEASE. Also can anyone see if they can find them on the 1851,1871 and 1881. They married in Dec 1855 I am just about to send off for the certificate and I know Richard had died before Wilfred married in 1894, I have not managed to find Ann's death yet. Any help would be appreciated Janet xxx ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information

Thanks for that tip, Jo. I'm going to 'revisit' some of my double s's! Out of interest, I've also found the same with U and V. eg Silver entered as Siluer! Jill ----- Original Message ----- From: "twigs" <twigs@dsl.pipex.com> To: <ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 11:49 AM Subject: IGI transcription of ss as fs > Just an idea for those not finding names with ss in surname on IGI. > > Today quite accidientally found something I had given up on, two names > transcribed as having spelling fs rather than ss. Easy to see if the person > doing the transcribing had not seen any mid and late 1800 handwrinting, and > of course earllier. I had been checking for the known and correcting > spellling, and searches brought up nothing on the IGI. This was an I > listing, not a submission. Not for SAL but thats list I pay most attention > to (or did - maybe good night Shropshire now its getting very monotonous).. > > Having said above, the IGI is still a fantastic tool and completely free of > charge, for first investigations. > > Jo. Pleasantly warm Shropshire. >

Just an idea for those not finding names with ss in surname on IGI. Today quite accidientally found something I had given up on, two names transcribed as having spelling fs rather than ss. Easy to see if the person doing the transcribing had not seen any mid and late 1800 handwrinting, and of course earllier. I had been checking for the known and correcting spellling, and searches brought up nothing on the IGI. This was an I listing, not a submission. Not for SAL but thats list I pay most attention to (or did - maybe good night Shropshire now its getting very monotonous).. Having said above, the IGI is still a fantastic tool and completely free of charge, for first investigations. Jo. Pleasantly warm Shropshire.

Hi there, I agree with much of what Renee says. I had an archive of Alveley info, pics etc that did'nt see the light of day for many years, once I started sharing it, it became hundred fold ! (literally !! - our terrace house does't seem big enough anymore!) The more you dig the more you find ! Re copying, This is a difficult one, I think i just depends what's copied. One day I discovered a Shropshire newspaper had printed an article that I had researched for a local history society. It was reproduced without my permission, or any reference to me etc. I rang the editor's office and gave them a right mouth full ! The following week they printed an apology. Happy hunting everyone ! Best Wishes, Margaret From: Reneelwaring@aol.com To: ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-SHROP] Re: Good Afternoon Shropshire Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 19:35:14 EDT My goodness, seems like we are going to have a good time now with Wolfie and Mellie. I do have something to say regarding the sharing of information with limitations. Years ago I was just like most genealogists. What I found was MINE!. Soooo....I took the family back 3 more generations than anyone EVER took this family back. Don't ask for the info unless you intend to keep it a secret. Of course the inevitable occurred as it always does when you share secrets. The cat was soon out of the bag. Much of my research was very quickly becoming everyone else's great find and my name was lost in the shuffle. I fussed, I fumed. One day I woke up. What good does it do me to sit here and get angry over this? In fact, these people may have done me a favor. The more my information gets out, the more people out there hear about it, the better chances are that I may be able to break down my brick walls. What I imagined DID OCCUR!!! I started by sharing whatever I found on the Internet that may be of use to other's on the Rootsweb lists. My name and my interests started becoming known and my philosophy of sharing what I find with others rubbed off. Soon people were contacting me with what I needed and within two years I got an email from a friend who appreciates my work and he gave me the clue that set me back one more generation, with the proof to confirm it. HOLLY COW!!!!!!!! I am so pleased that my efforts have paid off for me and hope it continues to do so. I also pray that everyone reading this understands what I'm trying to say. Keeping secrets is no way to conduct a genealogical investigation. Spread your word and works and it will come back to bless you. PS. It is ALWAYS nice when credit is given where it is due, but if it is not that's the nature of the beast. Don't be hurt, just keep killing them with honey. You will be the bigger "man" for it. Sincerely, Renee L. Waring Owner Operator The Center for Waring Family History "We live as long as we are remembered." F = Luther Perks Waring m. Leah Jane Vaughn Clearfield Co., PA, USA GF = Edmund Luther Waring m. Eva Ruth Breth Clearfield Co., PA, USA GGF = Franklin Bowman Waring m. Florence Curley Clearfield Co., PA, USA GGGF = Thomas Waring m. Margery Beers 1836 Clearfield Co., PA, USA GGGGF = William Waring (Grandfather of William Griffith Waring) m. Gynnllian Hancorn 1793 Herefordshire, Engl. GGGGGF = Edmund Waring m. Anne Cooke 1748 Leominster, Herefordshire, England GGGGGGF = William Waring m. Margery Barley (Barloe) 1719 Leominster, Herefordshire, England GGGGGGGF = Andrew Waring (1665 - ) m. Ann Leominster, Herefordshire, England GGGGGGGGF = Andrew Waring m .Margaret Hays 1662 Shropshire, England GGGGGGGGGF = Henry Waring m. Joanne Pierce 1639 Shropshire, England ==== ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS Mailing List ==== TO view Eng-Shropshire-Plus archived messages click here: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS.html If you're new to the list, there may be something useful in the archives ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx

Hi Renee Congratulations on your family tree back to 1639 WOW!!!!!!! Here is me proud just to go back to 1850 Please share just how you were able to go back so far We, us, that struggle with our families would dearly love to know just how it is done Bye for now Joy in Australia > Sincerely, > Renee L. Waring > Owner Operator > The Center for Waring Family History > "We live as long as we are remembered." > F = Luther Perks Waring m. Leah Jane Vaughn Clearfield Co., PA, USA > GF = Edmund Luther Waring m. Eva Ruth Breth Clearfield Co., PA, USA > GGF = Franklin Bowman Waring m. Florence Curley Clearfield Co., PA, USA > GGGF = Thomas Waring m. Margery Beers 1836 Clearfield Co., PA, USA > GGGGF = William Waring (Grandfather of William Griffith Waring) m. > Gynnllian > Hancorn 1793 Herefordshire, Engl. > GGGGGF = Edmund Waring m. Anne Cooke 1748 Leominster, Herefordshire, > England > GGGGGGF = William Waring m. Margery Barley (Barloe) 1719 Leominster, > Herefordshire, England > GGGGGGGF = Andrew Waring (1665 - ) m. Ann Leominster, Herefordshire, > England > GGGGGGGGF = Andrew Waring m .Margaret Hays 1662 Shropshire, England > GGGGGGGGGF = Henry Waring m. Joanne Pierce 1639 Shropshire, England >

Hi, I think how far you can go back depends on 3 main things - 1) considerate ancestors who stayed put and married locally, 2) co-operative clergy who completed register entries legibly, and with enough data to be useful and, 3) churches with good roofs and no mice. In one line I have an ancestor baptised in 1563 (a father's name would have been helpful), another ancestor was baptised in 1560 - both lines still had direct descendants in the same villages in the 1850s, and the parish records have survived. However, another line I've got back to 1840-ish (through finding a toddler in the census) and that's likely to be it - the name is John Jones, the country is Wales and the denomination (from other sources) is Baptist. The best chance I have of finding his father's baptism is to print off the list of possibles, close my eyes and stick a pin in the list. Regards, Ellie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mellie" <chouikh2006@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 1:17 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-SHROP] Good Afternoon Shropshire - Reynolds; Summerfield; Thomas > Hi Renee > > Congratulations on your family tree back to 1639 WOW!!!!!!! > > Here is me proud just to go back to 1850 > > Please share just how you were able to go back so far > > We, us, that struggle with our families would dearly love to > know just how it is done > > Bye for now > > Joy > in Australia > > Joy you have every right to be proud, I know some people who are stuggling > to get to 1901, knowing that if they can just get there the censuses will do > the rest!! and then there are some lines that are very well documented, in > the US for example the pioneers etc their immigrant records are worthy! in > Aus you have some good convict records, Britland has not always done well > with preserving records,, some lines are well documented due to land title > deeds,a s is one of mine back to 1530 plus a generation beyond birthdate > unknown! > 1 rellie or 1000 rellies, as long as each "new" find excites you as much as > the first, as long as you feel totally frsutrated at that missing link that > will make it all fit, then you have every right to be proud of your > genealogy. of course you could throw out your 1850 brick wall if thats what > it is and see if anyone can help, even if its just another possible way for > you to research it, thats what genealogy is about, sharing with caring!! so > come on lets have the 1850 brick wall and mull it around you never > know.......... > Mellie > How Come My Coat Of Arms Has Buckles At The Back? > > ______________________________

Hi Renee Congratulations on your family tree back to 1639 WOW!!!!!!! Here is me proud just to go back to 1850 Please share just how you were able to go back so far We, us, that struggle with our families would dearly love to know just how it is done Bye for now Joy in Australia Joy you have every right to be proud, I know some people who are stuggling to get to 1901, knowing that if they can just get there the censuses will do the rest!! and then there are some lines that are very well documented, in the US for example the pioneers etc their immigrant records are worthy! in Aus you have some good convict records, Britland has not always done well with preserving records,, some lines are well documented due to land title deeds,a s is one of mine back to 1530 plus a generation beyond birthdate unknown! 1 rellie or 1000 rellies, as long as each "new" find excites you as much as the first, as long as you feel totally frsutrated at that missing link that will make it all fit, then you have every right to be proud of your genealogy. of course you could throw out your 1850 brick wall if thats what it is and see if anyone can help, even if its just another possible way for you to research it, thats what genealogy is about, sharing with caring!! so come on lets have the 1850 brick wall and mull it around you never know.......... Mellie How Come My Coat Of Arms Has Buckles At The Back?

PS. It is ALWAYS nice when credit is given where it is due, but if it is not that's the nature of the beast. Don't be hurt, just keep killing them with honey. You will be the bigger "man" for it. I agree, I have no problems with sharing any of my info, I have sent out several gedcoms today to people, not whole trees just bits they are looking into in thier own research, and I am also looking through several that I have received some connect into my own tree some are to one of the 3 trees I am doing for others at the moment. anyone is welcome to any research that I have done, and as long as any research that is from another person I have permission to send it out that goes too, however, where people have specifically asked that their info is not put online, I expect that to be respected, There is someone I could willfully strangle cos I know she has the info I am looking for and she wont share LOL but thats her perogative she spent 30 years tracking it down and she feels I have to do the same LOL I dont need to be a "bigger man" LoL Im a woman for starters and we are ALL bigger than men LOL I dont have a problem with people who are 5th cousins 20 times removed having my tree, its not about me being hurt, hell its water off a ducks back to me, as is most of life, but I know some of my rellies who are hurt by the information being put online, and then they find that these people don't even have any blood line connection, and the marital connection is god knows where, they are reightly upset by it. I dont take many things seriously, Wuf will tell you that, but I do take research seriously but I do like to have fun doing it, and I do respect the wishes of people who are kind enough to furnish me with info. Not everyone is "into" family history, most of my family think I should leave the skeletons in the cupboards, but where I have found them, and it relates very personally to them, they have the right to their privacy when they have expressly said thats what they want! soapbox time over now LOL Mellie How Come My Coat Of Arms Has Buckles At The Back?

Hi All could you please put a proper entry in the Subject Box (surname and/or place of interest etc) It might be a Good Afternoon Shropshire!! and we are hopefully all researching NAMES but when your are getting emails from a number of lists you don't read every posting. Mike Fisher in Droitwich researching JACKS in Worthen