anyone got these? Thomas Whordley (b abt 1810) Dawley m Rhoda Edge (b abt 1810) abt 1838 or connect in via their children? Mellie Why Does My Coat Of Arms Have Buckles At The Back?

Would appreciate some information on St. Michael's church in Shrewsbury. I tried a google search and did not seem to find it. Is it still standing? Has it combined with another parish? Apparently the church yard was cleard of tombstones at some point? Any pictures on the web? TIA Anne in Aurora IL

I'm not sure whether to reply to Mellie or just delete? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mellie" <chouikh2006@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 8:14 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-SHROP] ELLESMORE marriage to ARKINSTALL at Market Drayton >>>LDS/Intellectual Reserve:<< > > isn't that an oxymoron? > > Mellie > Why Does My Coat Of Arms Have Buckles At The Back? > > > ==== ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS Mailing List ==== > DO NOT send virus/worm/hoax warnings to the list. If you receive a > suspicious e-mail with an attachment, delete it. > Virus discussions are a no-no. > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

>>LDS/Intellectual Reserve:<< isn't that an oxymoron? Mellie Why Does My Coat Of Arms Have Buckles At The Back?

At 10:08 PM 16/08/2006, N and B Plumbridge wrote: >Hi >Does anyone have access to the Parish Records which would show the >marriage of William ELLESMORE (born about 1841 in Fradswell, Staffs) >to Ann ARKINSTALL (born 1846 in Newport, Shropshire area). No, but I found this on the BVR disks, compliments of LDS/Intellectual Reserve: ELLESMORE, William Marriage Wife: Ann LAKIN Marriage Date: 18 May 1846 Recorded in: Rugeley, Staffordshire, England Husband previously married Husband's Father: William ELLESMORE Wife's Father: John LAKIN Source: FHL Film 1040786 Dates: 1835 - 1876 Note: Additional Data in Original Record (I don't know what the additional data is, but if you got hold of the microfilm you would find out). And the only Ann/Anne I can find around 1846 is the following: ARKINSTALL, Anne Christening Gender: Female Birthplace: Of Knighton Wood Christening Date: 2 Nov 1845 Recorded in: Adbaston, Staffordshire, England Father: Thomas Arkinstall Mother: Sarah Source: FHL Film 1278801 Dates: 1646 - 1906 Have you ever thought that this could be the gal you are looking for, possibly born in Newport (or said to have!) and christened at Adbaston which is soooooo very close to Newport? Cheers Graham Melbourne Oz

At 05:37 PM 16/08/2006, CEGaules62@aol.com wrote: >Samuel married twice, first wife being MARY WIILLIAMS 1764, then ANN BEDDOW >1774. Having problems finding his parents.Can anybody help >please? Hi Chris Perhaps it is worth considering the Samuel Trevor christened at Loppington 30 Aug 1732 to parents Samuel and Eliza. (IGI). I have found that a fair amount of Loppington (and indeed Wem) folk migrated up to Ellesmere in those days, perhaps as labourers looking for work. Ellesmere farmers were oft looking for casual labourers, and in some instances, even permanent labs on their farms. Worth thinking about. Cheers Graham Melbourne Oz

At 01:18 AM 11/08/2006, terry king wrote: >Hi all, I am tracing the MATTHIAS/GRINDLEY families for my next door >neighbour who >is 60 in Oct. as a surprise. Here is what I know>>>> Wrexham>>>> Hi Terry I think you should post this message to the Clwyd list as Wrexham is under that list's area. There are folk there who may be able to help you. Cheers Graham

Hi all Just an update. Some extra family related surnames of the Ellesmere district that I have most BMB's for of St. Mary, Ellesmere, are: Boylin, Byollin, Cross, Edge, Hassall, Hudson, Rogers. This adds to my previous transcripts of St. Mary, Ellesmere, for the surnames of: Bather, Batho, Bickley, Cureton, Brown, Cureton, Davies, Hayward, Higginson, Mason, Mullinex/Molyneoux, Parry, Pate, Peate, Price, Reeves, Rodenhurst, and Warburton. I have practically all of these from the 1600s upwards to about 1890. Some, fairly limited and certainly not all, transcripts taken for Clay, Carsley, Kynaston (only at Duddleston), Morgan, Owen, Onslow, Phillips, Urion after having been requested by listers in past times. Love to hear from anyone who has any connection with these surnames at Ellesmere or district, and very happy to provide details of my transcripts, some of which are already converted to Excel database. Hoping to complete this task by 2007! Cheers Graham Melbourne Oz

Hi Does anyone have access to the Parish Records which would show the marriage of William ELLESMORE (born about 1841 in Fradswell, Staffs) to Ann ARKINSTALL (born 1846 in Newport, Shropshire area). I think they were married in the June quarter of 1867 (bmd ref 6a 1303). This is my brick wall - I need to know the parents of Ann ARKINSTALL and in the census of 1851 and 1861 she is living with James and Ann BENBOW as a "niece". I am hoping that the marriage entry in the parish records will show Ann's parents. Thanks Nick

Samuel married twice, first wife being MARY WIILLIAMS 1764, then ANN BEDDOW 1774. Having problems finding his parents.Can anybody help please? Many thanks Chris

Hay I am so confused here Jo, Ill have to study this a bit more I assumed I had found this elusive gggrandfather of mine OH well I shall just have to keep trying. BUT THANK YOU for your information I really appreciate it. from a confused West Australian. Glenys in Ozz ----- Original Message ----- From: "twigs" <twigs@dsl.pipex.com> To: <ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 8:11 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-SHROP] Speak(s) Wistanstow & Acton Scott > In two emails Glenys wrote: s "Joseph Speak born 6/4/1821 > parents Joseph Speak & Mary Holt." and also > "Joseph Speak b 6/4/1821 Winstantow, > I do not know his occupation or his parents but from what I have heard > he was a farmer, where I no not, His father was killed c 1826-30, His > mother remarried, again Unknown. > Joseph jr, came to Australia in January of 1841, leaving from > Liverpool, > He was a Carpenter, That's all I know." > > Getting intriging this. Obviously Glenys you need to check below very > carefully. Some Speak names are have Speaks spelling. Excuse me if you > have already found these, but in view of your statement above, think it > worth writing. > > Person Joseph Speak(s) married a Mary Rowland, 1820, and a Mary Jackson > 1814, Acton Scott (very near Wistanstow), this souce does not say if > either of these were a widow or not (possibly giving name change). > Also a Joseph Speak married Hannah Mills in 1823 in Church Stretton. > > On igi, two Joseph Speake births C016042 for Wistanstow.with parents > Joseph and Mary, and two burials there for infant Josephs there in 1819 > and 1821 > These dates would cover the two, so either a duplication of names there - > very common this - or your Joseph born April 1821 one of the infants. > Also on that batch number, person Joseph Speake(s) and mum Hannah, had > four children, one being a Joseph christened 1831. > Person Mary Speakes buried Wistanstow Sep 1821, and a Hannah Speaks > marrried a Samuel Amies in 1835, and would seem to have given birth to > children with surnames spelt at Amos, Amiss, Amies. (this was either > Action Scott or Wistanstow, you will see from the IGI). > > Will save the old directories till later, as they are a bit cumbersome to > look through. > > Trust not too confusing, Jo. > > > ==== ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS Mailing List ==== > DO NOT send virus/worm/hoax warnings to the list. If you receive a > suspicious e-mail with an attachment, delete it. Virus discussions are a > no-no. > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.9/417 - Release Date: 11/08/2006 > >

Hi Ian, I have also wondered if they may have been married along the canals. I have been hoping, as Elizabeth has always stated she was born St Martins, all the children were born there also and she lived her married life in the area that she had not moved away prior to marriage. I have located William Humphreys in 1871 on his boat at Whitchurch where he states he was born St Martins and also in 1901 he lists St Martins. If he is the William born Selattyn then St Martins may have been where he thought he was born as his mother remarried when he was 7 and the family lived at St Martins Moors. Thanks for the suggestion. Daff. > -----Original Message----- > H Whitwell wrote: > > I have a William HUMPHREYS and Elizabeth JONES who were supposedly > married > > prior to August 1866 when their first daughter was born. A search of the St > > Martins Parish Register and a search by the Shropshire Register Office have > > failed to locate a marriage for this couple. In the 71- 91 censuses > > Elizabeth is always shown as born St Martins about 1847 although William > > HUMPHREYS has various birth places although I suspect it may have been > > Selattyn. > > > > > I can see the family in St Martin's parish in 1871, 1881 and 1891 > censuses but William only appears on the 1891 where he claims to have > been born on Nantwich in Cheshire? > As William was a canal boatman is it possible that the marriage could > have taken place anywhere along the canal network? > > Ian >

At 06:24 PM 14/08/2006, Glenys Woosnam wrote: >Sorry Graham, Yes a senior moment sorry,The person I am looking for >is Joseph Speak born 6/4/1821 >parents Joseph Speak & Mary Holt. Hi Glenys I see your problem. The only way I know (as you can't find them on the 1841 census, etc though what about his mother or his siblings, if he had any?) would be to obtain the microfilm of Wistanstow parish registers through the Latter Day Saints folk at one of their family history libraries. $5 per microfilm in Australia. Generally, by 1821, most parish priests and curates would insert the address of the parents as well as the occupation of the father. When I say address though, it would be fairly general such as the town itself, Wistanstow, or perhaps one of the outlying villages, hamlets or districts. At least it is a start. Might well be worth a look at. Just wondering about the Richard Speakes, christened Bromfield 5 Feb 1815 to parents Joseph & Mary, and Thomas Speakes christened Bromfield 3 Nov 1816 belong to the same family. Bromfield is soooo very close to Wistanstow. The coincidence might just be more than that, then again it could be another family. Cheers Graham Melbourne Oz

Hi Ann Possible John Billington christened at Astley 10th Nov 1793 to parents John & Ann Billington. Astley is so very, very, close to Preston Gubbals. Also an Anne christened 27 Jan 1797. Could be the same family who had a Thomas christened at Fitz (nearby) 13 Oct 1792. Difficult, though! Cheers Graham

Hello, I have Thomas and William above on the IGI batch no C085811, father William Edwards mother Ann. If anyone has access to the registers for Hinstock for Thomas baptised 15/1/1804 and William baptised 17/6/1808 please would you look for the mother's maiden name if possible. Any help with this would help me to knock down a long standing brickwall. Thanks, Cynthia

Sorry Graham, Yes a senior moment sorry, The person I am looking for is Joseph Speak born 6/4/1821 parents Joseph Speak & Mary Holt. Thanks for the email. regards. Glenys in Ozz (Perth) ----- Original Message -- From: "Graham Price" <genetree@pacific.net.au> To: <ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-SHROP] re address > At 02:17 PM 13/08/2006, Glenys Woosnam wrote: >>Hello list, I was wondering if there is someone who could tell me what >>the address of my 2xgranparents is. the only information is he was born in >>6/4/1821 c 8 /9/1821 Winstanstow is there any way to find out this >>information as his father died c 1826-30 I haven't found his death yet, >>Mother remarried (unknown) My gggrandfather came to Australia in the first >>quarter of January 1841 so I cannot find him on the Census for that year >>He is my brick wall???? Thanking all. >> Glenys in Ozz > > Dear Grannywoo > Hi Glenys > Ahh, you did not give any names, hope this was not a senior moment! :))) > > Don't worry. We all do it now and then. > Cheers > Graham > Melbourne > Oz too > > > ==== ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS Mailing List ==== > TIPS on list etiquette and how to maximise your chances of receiving help > can be found at ~ > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donaghmore1/expectations.htm > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.9/417 - Release Date: 11/08/2006 > >

I have a William HUMPHREYS and Elizabeth JONES who were supposedly married prior to August 1866 when their first daughter was born. A search of the St Martins Parish Register and a search by the Shropshire Register Office have failed to locate a marriage for this couple. In the 71- 91 censuses Elizabeth is always shown as born St Martins about 1847 although William HUMPHREYS has various birth places although I suspect it may have been Selattyn. Any help would be appreciated as this is my brick wall. Regards, Daff West Western Australia.

H Whitwell wrote: > I have also wondered if they may have been married along the canals. I have > been hoping, as Elizabeth has always stated she was born St Martins, all the > children were born there also and she lived her married life in the area > that she had not moved away prior to marriage. I have located William > Humphreys in 1871 on his boat at Whitchurch where he states he was born St > Martins and also in 1901 he lists St Martins. > If he is the William born Selattyn then St Martins may have been where he > thought he was born as his mother remarried when he was 7 and the family > lived at St Martins Moors. > Hi Daff, I'd missed him because of the spelling of Humphreys/Humphries! Are you familiar with the St Martin's area? There are some excellent images on the Geograph site. Take a look at: http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/51920 (the canal at St Martins Moor where the family were living in 1881) http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/51956 http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/51921 but there are also a lot more, thanks to John Haynes. They will give you a good idea of the area you are dealing with. Ian

In two emails Glenys wrote: s "Joseph Speak born 6/4/1821 parents Joseph Speak & Mary Holt." and also "Joseph Speak b 6/4/1821 Winstantow, I do not know his occupation or his parents but from what I have heard he was a farmer, where I no not, His father was killed c 1826-30, His mother remarried, again Unknown. Joseph jr, came to Australia in January of 1841, leaving from Liverpool, He was a Carpenter, That's all I know." Getting intriging this. Obviously Glenys you need to check below very carefully. Some Speak names are have Speaks spelling. Excuse me if you have already found these, but in view of your statement above, think it worth writing. Person Joseph Speak(s) married a Mary Rowland, 1820, and a Mary Jackson 1814, Acton Scott (very near Wistanstow), this souce does not say if either of these were a widow or not (possibly giving name change). Also a Joseph Speak married Hannah Mills in 1823 in Church Stretton. On igi, two Joseph Speake births C016042 for Wistanstow.with parents Joseph and Mary, and two burials there for infant Josephs there in 1819 and 1821 These dates would cover the two, so either a duplication of names there - very common this - or your Joseph born April 1821 one of the infants. Also on that batch number, person Joseph Speake(s) and mum Hannah, had four children, one being a Joseph christened 1831. Person Mary Speakes buried Wistanstow Sep 1821, and a Hannah Speaks marrried a Samuel Amies in 1835, and would seem to have given birth to children with surnames spelt at Amos, Amiss, Amies. (this was either Action Scott or Wistanstow, you will see from the IGI). Will save the old directories till later, as they are a bit cumbersome to look through. Trust not too confusing, Jo.

H Whitwell wrote: > I have a William HUMPHREYS and Elizabeth JONES who were supposedly married > prior to August 1866 when their first daughter was born. A search of the St > Martins Parish Register and a search by the Shropshire Register Office have > failed to locate a marriage for this couple. In the 71- 91 censuses > Elizabeth is always shown as born St Martins about 1847 although William > HUMPHREYS has various birth places although I suspect it may have been > Selattyn. > > I can see the family in St Martin's parish in 1871, 1881 and 1891 censuses but William only appears on the 1891 where he claims to have been born on Nantwich in Cheshire? As William was a canal boatman is it possible that the marriage could have taken place anywhere along the canal network? Ian