>>These `proven` DNA tests are a great puzzle to me in that I ask myself the question - How do I go about finding a source of DNA from my dead and totally inaccessible ancestors? And - how can I `prove` (with great emphasis on that word) my connection. You will understand the question in more depth when you see my signature at the end of this letter! Sorry to appear to be sooooooo sceptical. Keith Roberts.<< with the surname Roberts you mean? I understand yours and anyone elses scepticism, as unless we have DNA to compare to how do we "know"? If I understand the DNA projects correctly, DNA is compared against each other, in that those that are related will carry some "same strands" and lineage is proven in the usual genalogical way of the paper trail! DNA proves both paternal and maternal connections, in the same way as it is used for Paternity testing today, for example, you may believe that you have a connection to a particular branch of your family name, your DNA would be compared to someone who has documented proof of that connection, the comparison would Prove that you are or are not related to the person of whom your DNA has been compared with. It, Of course cannot answer some of our questions where there are gaping holes of a generation or 2 that we can't find, however, if there is lineage from one of those that we can be compared with, it can prove a connection somewhere if we can just find the elusive ancestor. alternatively we can go around exhuming bodies I guess! or maybe not! DNA testing is a very simple and painless process, and the best DNA is from the cells inside the mouth, so a simple "swab" from the inside of the cheek is sufficient. Mellie Why Does My Coat Of Arms Have Buckles At The Back?

Thanks Margaret, the info was very useful and I even managed to add a few to the ones you sent. I'm waiting for my Aussie contact to get back to me with a load more. Wolfie -----Original Message----- From: eng-shropshire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-shropshire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Margaret Sheridan Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 3:32 PM To: ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-SHROP] message for "Wolfie" Hi there, Just a quick note wondering how your are getting with the info I sent ? Give me a bell if you need any help Best Wishes, Margaret ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.9/458 - Release Date: 27/09/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.10/459 - Release Date: 29/09/2006

Many years ago when I found I could go no further, with my William Cotton of Kenilworth WAR, I considered a Ring Search and when that didn't work I decided to start a ONS (One Name Study) for the surname that I was after. It paid off and was able to get back another 100 years into SAL. Now with DNA testing I was able to prove my connection back to the 1200's. I actually have "cotton" in mine,my great grandmother was a cotton! she was born in Walsall, as was her father, but her grandfather I am still chasing around the censuses to pinpoint him! but he is most likely walsall. You are very welcome to some dna if you would like a strand of hair, or I could give you a mouth swab, I have swabs here! FSS swabs. Mellie Why Does My Coat Of Arms Have Buckles At The Back?

>>The house has long since been knocked down and there is now a Marks and Spencer on the site. My partner says this explains why I am mystically drawn to spending money there. Judy<< a slight variation to what they say on TV, "its not just genealogogy, its M&S genealogy LOL personally, I find working on someone elses tree, "refreshing", and pardon the pun, but there is a time when I can't see the wood for the trees in my own! and taking a break and going back to it refreshed, often helps! Mellie Why Does My Coat Of Arms Have Buckles At The Back?

KEITH ROBERTS wrote: > These `proven` DNA tests are a great puzzle to me in that I ask > myself the question - How do I go about finding a source of DNA > from my dead and totally inaccessible ancestors? And - how can I > `prove` (with great emphasis on that word) my connection. You will > understand the question in more depth when you see my signature at > the end of this letter! Sorry to appear to be sooooooo sceptical. You aren't the only one who's so sceptical about DNA testing. I'm afraid (at the risk of incurring the wrath of the pro-DNA testers) that I regard it as a gimmick, the latest "must have". There's no way DNA testing will "prove" that I'm a descendent of Alice ARUNDELL (b c1420) -- Charani (UK)

These `proven` DNA tests are a great puzzle to me in that I ask myself the question - How do I go about finding a source of DNA from my dead and totally inaccessible ancestors? And - how can I `prove` (with great emphasis on that word) my connection. You will understand the question in more depth when you see my signature at the end of this letter! Sorry to appear to be sooooooo sceptical. Keith Roberts. "Ross G. H. Cotton" <rgcotton@skylinc.net> wrote: Many years ago when I found I could go no further, with my William Cotton of Kenilworth WAR, I considered a Ring Search and when that didn't work I decided to start a ONS (One Name Study) for the surname that I was after. It paid off and was able to get back another 100 years into SAL. Now with DNA testing I was able to prove my connection back to the 1200's. Ross GH Cotton, Burlington ON CAN 905)639-2929 Genealogy of the COTTON surname is my Enigma. I haven't sent an attachment if the details are not mentioned above. Check out my Genealogy Web Page at www.skylinc.net/~rgcotton GOONS member responsible for tracking the family name COTTON, #1437 Coordinator for Cotton DNA testing Project, Worldwide, See http://home.comcast.net/~cottondna/ ----- Original Message ----- From: judy olsen To: eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-SHROP] Changing patterns re. research On 1 Oct 2006, at 14:13, Mellie wrote: > working on our own or on other peoples trees (my favourite habit > when stuck on my own) Ah but isnt this the best way to progress your own research! My partner says to me, you seem to think there is some great god of genealogy that will reward you - well of course I don't, I'm an atheist, but its odd how when you have been doing look-ups etc for other people suddenly you get a breakthrough on your own lines. The logical explanation is that when you are active on the lists people are more likely to respond to your own requests, but I did have one instance where I had gone to a library in Edinburgh specifically to do a look-up for someone, and then I picked up another book on the city and - presto - it fell open at a page which mentioned an address in Princes Street where a famous antiquarian had lived. Spookily, that was the address my ancestor gave when she married. I have still to work out the connection but this guy owned an estate in the parish where her father lived. The house has long since been knocked down and there is now a Marks and Spencer on the site. My partner says this explains why I am mystically drawn to spending money there. Judy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Keith Roberts - Colwyn Bay, N. Wales. *~~~~~*~~~~~*~~~~~*~~~~~*~~~~~*~~~~~* www.tribalpages/tribes/kr2877 www.byegones.co.uk

Keith and any others. The answer to your question is very simple. DNA Y-Chromosome testing is used for Males, and mtDNA testing is used for Females. Since you are a male, I assume, in your body are the same Y-Chromosomes that are or were in your fathers body, and also in your G fathers body, etc. for many, many years, and they are the same in your male blood related cousins. Over hundreds of years there are very few differences (mutations) in the Alleles (values) for the various (usually 43) Markers tested. If you go to the WebSite listed below for the Cotton DNA results of persons that have already been tested, (its free) you will see many different families that have been proven to be connected. Most of them did not know of the others existance. Just Click on any Family, mine is Family 3, to see the persons tested and their lineage, to the point where they are connected. After selecting a Family to review, slide down and click on Results to see the test results for the family you want. If you check closely, my 1st cousin, my 3 cousin and I have identical values showing 100% match. When slight differences (mutations) show up the connection between the persons is further back, and the number of generations can be estimated. Read the Purpose and Method for a better understanding of DNA Y-Chromosome testing. DNA does not, in itself, provide you with the names of your ancestors, but it does lead you where to research next for your direct ancestral lineage. Over 35 years of researching my genealogy I have never found anything that I did not have to pay for. And since I'm a male I'm not looking for a female ancestor, using DNA Y-Chromosome testing. If you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask, send me an EMail and I'll try to answer them. And then there are the sceptics? I truly hope by this explanation I'll find a Cotton, with ancestors from SAL that wants to see if he is related to me? Ross GH Cotton, Burlington ON CAN 905)639-2929 Genealogy of the COTTON surname is my Enigma. I haven't sent an attachment if the details are not mentioned above. Check out my Genealogy Web Page at www.skylinc.net/~rgcotton GOONS member responsible for tracking the family name COTTON, #1437 Coordinator for Cotton DNA testing Project, Worldwide, See http://home.comcast.net/~cottondna/ ----- Original Message ----- From: KEITH ROBERTS To: eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-SHROP] Changing patterns re. research These `proven` DNA tests are a great puzzle to me in that I ask myself the question - How do I go about finding a source of DNA from my dead and totally inaccessible ancestors? And - how can I `prove` (with great emphasis on that word) my connection. You will understand the question in more depth when you see my signature at the end of this letter! Sorry to appear to be sooooooo sceptical. Keith Roberts. "Ross G. H. Cotton" <rgcotton@skylinc.net> wrote: Many years ago when I found I could go no further, with my William Cotton of Kenilworth WAR, I considered a Ring Search and when that didn't work I decided to start a ONS (One Name Study) for the surname that I was after. It paid off and was able to get back another 100 years into SAL. Now with DNA testing I was able to prove my connection back to the 1200's. Ross GH Cotton, Burlington ON CAN 905)639-2929 Genealogy of the COTTON surname is my Enigma. I haven't sent an attachment if the details are not mentioned above. Check out my Genealogy Web Page at www.skylinc.net/~rgcotton GOONS member responsible for tracking the family name COTTON, #1437 Coordinator for Cotton DNA testing Project, Worldwide, See http://home.comcast.net/~cottondna/ ----- Original Message ----- From: judy olsen To: eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-SHROP] Changing patterns re. research On 1 Oct 2006, at 14:13, Mellie wrote: > working on our own or on other peoples trees (my favourite habit > when stuck on my own) Ah but isnt this the best way to progress your own research! My partner says to me, you seem to think there is some great god of genealogy that will reward you - well of course I don't, I'm an atheist, but its odd how when you have been doing look-ups etc for other people suddenly you get a breakthrough on your own lines. The logical explanation is that when you are active on the lists people are more likely to respond to your own requests, but I did have one instance where I had gone to a library in Edinburgh specifically to do a look-up for someone, and then I picked up another book on the city and - presto - it fell open at a page which mentioned an address in Princes Street where a famous antiquarian had lived. Spookily, that was the address my ancestor gave when she married. I have still to work out the connection but this guy owned an estate in the parish where her father lived. The house has long since been knocked down and there is now a Marks and Spencer on the site. My partner says this explains why I am mystically drawn to spending money there. Judy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Keith Roberts - Colwyn Bay, N. Wales. *~~~~~*~~~~~*~~~~~*~~~~~*~~~~~*~~~~~* www.tribalpages/tribes/kr2877 www.byegones.co.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Tim Callaghan wrote: > I am researching the following name - > JONES: Whitchurch area (Shrops) > I would be pleased to hear from anyone with similar interests. > Thanks > Tim Hi Tim, Here's something for you: CHARLES PACE - b 9 Jun 1844 Havannah Buildings WHITCHURCH + ELIZABETH JONES b 1846 LLANFYLLIN, Montgomery, Wales This is an important chap in my PACE ancestry. He was involved in the PACE PEDIGREE. See - http://www.phc.igs.net/~gordpace/pedigree.htm anyway; here is his PACE-JONES 'story' of Whitchurch, Shropshire from: http://www.phc.igs.net/~gordpace/uk/whit.htm#will RICHARD PACE + JANE LEE - b 1795 - d 1878 12 Jan HAVANNAH Building 83 years * SAMUEL PACE - 07 Aug 1825 at CHEMISTRY - Coal agent DODINGTON (WHITCHURCH) + Anne - b PREES 1824 - occ. nurse o MARY PACE - 4 Aug 1850 o SAMUEL PACE - 12 May 1852 o GEORGE PACE - 7 May 1854 + EMMA - 26 F born WEM, Shropshire from 1881 census FHL Film 1341640 dwelling Havannah Building WHITCHURCH + GEORGE FREDERICK PACE - b 1880 Whitchurch SAMUEL SHAW - 25 b MARKET DRAYTON - border - occ Railway Fireman 1881 o ANN PACE - 10 Apr 1856 o RICHARD PACE - 19 Mar 1858 - 1881 at SALFORD Lancashire occ. Domestic groom o EDWIN PACE - b 1864 WHITCHURCH o CLEMENT PACE - b 1867 WHITCHURCH * MARY PACE - 23 Dec 1827 WHITCHURCH + JOHN WILLIAMS - m 25 Feb 1851 WHITCHURCH o THOMAS WILLIAMS - Chr 3 Jul 1853 WHITCHURCH o MARGARET WILLIAMS - Chr 1 Jun 1856 WHITCHURCH * GEORGE PACE - b 02 May 1830 Havannah Buildings WHITCHURCH * THOMAS PACE - 07 Jul 1833 Havannah Buildings WHITCHURCH - d 12 May 1834 (11 months) * ANN PACE - b Feb 1835 Havannah Buildings WHITCHURCH - d 4 Apr 1835 (2 weeks) * ELIZABETH PACE - 12 Jun 1836 * HENRY PACE - 01 Apr 1838 Havannah Buildings WHITCHURCH * JOHN PACE - 18 Jan 1841 - Havannah Buildings WHITCHURCH died 9 Oct 1841 ( 9mths) * CHARLES PACE - b 9 Jun 1844 Havannah Buildings WHITCHURCH - 1881 at HEATON Lancashire - writer of letter + ELIZABETH JONES b 1846 LLANFYLLIN, Montgomery, Wales o ELIZABETH JANE PACE - b 1877 HEATON Lancashire as you know, good luck with JONES in this Welsh area GTPace,Ontario,Canada not the only JONES in my PACE-CULWICK family

Hi all I thought I'd like to share with you these thoughts. I am 71 years of age. Still young no doubt compared to some others on these lists. I first commenced genealogy research with a vengeance at the age of 59, which means I have been at it for about 13 years. My thoughts back in 1993 or 1994 were that this was something that might go for a couple of years and then probably fade out, mainly due to lack of records and research facilities. As the years rolled on I began to consider that my initial supposition was wrong. I had commenced a family history rag called Genetree for my relatives and also thought that it would not last beyond a couple of years. Wrong again! It continues. Researching in our State Library of Victoria and in other genealogy libraries was by way of book, microfiche and eventually microfilm. Nothing much could replace that, could it? Wrong again. CDs began to be offered and then the world wide internet came to us and with it some records previously unobtainable offered themselves to us. Things were expanding. My mind was expanding. Okay, so I was ahead of most with a computer at home (never had one previously) and a genealogy database, but then, suddenly being on the internet was exciting, for at last I could connect with Wales and Shropshire on a daily basis. I believe my first joinings were with the Clwyd and the Shropshire lists around 1996, thought Clwyd really did not get up and run properly until 1998 and Shropshire until 2000. What fascinating times these were! My point is for all on the list, that as you go on with your search for individual family members, away in the background other things are happening. People are continuously transcribing more records, more CDs are being planned, more online projects are being organized, and the world goes on. Patience is the keyword. Computer technology is always updating, moving on. A year ago I would not have considered doing PDF copies for others on this list (off-list, of course) but it seems that this is the coming thing and helps to spread information far and wide. As far as communication of research is concerned the world is growing smaller day by day. I understand that the LDS folk have plans to make available parish registers digitized and online in the near future. The world moves on, and anyone who is still stuck in researching genealogy as it was ten years ago ought to get their act together and update! No space for dinosaurs here. I now expect that I should be still be saying this when I am 100 if such be my luck, and again am quite willing to accept that I was also wrong regarding the future. Happy hunting Graham Melbourne Oz

On 1 Oct 2006, at 14:13, Mellie wrote: > working on our own or on other peoples trees (my favourite habit > when stuck on my own) Ah but isnt this the best way to progress your own research! My partner says to me, you seem to think there is some great god of genealogy that will reward you - well of course I don't, I'm an atheist, but its odd how when you have been doing look-ups etc for other people suddenly you get a breakthrough on your own lines. The logical explanation is that when you are active on the lists people are more likely to respond to your own requests, but I did have one instance where I had gone to a library in Edinburgh specifically to do a look-up for someone, and then I picked up another book on the city and - presto - it fell open at a page which mentioned an address in Princes Street where a famous antiquarian had lived. Spookily, that was the address my ancestor gave when she married. I have still to work out the connection but this guy owned an estate in the parish where her father lived. The house has long since been knocked down and there is now a Marks and Spencer on the site. My partner says this explains why I am mystically drawn to spending money there. Judy

Hi Graham, and Ross, Having started my research around the same time as you Graham, I have thanked my lucky stars many times for the work of transcribers and the LDS and anyone who has put anything online, the years or trawling the countrys records offices it has saved!! (on saying that, a day in the records office is always good fun!) Some of my lines are "winding down" in that they are as far back as they are going to go, there just isn't a paper trail to follow, nothing that can ever be confirmed, even a researcher of some 30 years has not found anything! other lines progess (can you progress backwards?) and with some I am working forwards (now I feel confused!) whichever way we are working, whether working on our own or on other peoples trees (my favourite habit when stuck on my own) what started out as a "single purpose objective" has become more than a hobby, its a way of life, and I hope when I reach both your tender years, I still have the fascination that I have today for genealogy! take care both regards Mellie Why Does My Coat Of Arms Have Buckles At The Back?

Many years ago when I found I could go no further, with my William Cotton of Kenilworth WAR, I considered a Ring Search and when that didn't work I decided to start a ONS (One Name Study) for the surname that I was after. It paid off and was able to get back another 100 years into SAL. Now with DNA testing I was able to prove my connection back to the 1200's. Ross GH Cotton, Burlington ON CAN 905)639-2929 Genealogy of the COTTON surname is my Enigma. I haven't sent an attachment if the details are not mentioned above. Check out my Genealogy Web Page at www.skylinc.net/~rgcotton GOONS member responsible for tracking the family name COTTON, #1437 Coordinator for Cotton DNA testing Project, Worldwide, See http://home.comcast.net/~cottondna/ ----- Original Message ----- From: judy olsen To: eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-SHROP] Changing patterns re. research On 1 Oct 2006, at 14:13, Mellie wrote: > working on our own or on other peoples trees (my favourite habit > when stuck on my own) Ah but isnt this the best way to progress your own research! My partner says to me, you seem to think there is some great god of genealogy that will reward you - well of course I don't, I'm an atheist, but its odd how when you have been doing look-ups etc for other people suddenly you get a breakthrough on your own lines. The logical explanation is that when you are active on the lists people are more likely to respond to your own requests, but I did have one instance where I had gone to a library in Edinburgh specifically to do a look-up for someone, and then I picked up another book on the city and - presto - it fell open at a page which mentioned an address in Princes Street where a famous antiquarian had lived. Spookily, that was the address my ancestor gave when she married. I have still to work out the connection but this guy owned an estate in the parish where her father lived. The house has long since been knocked down and there is now a Marks and Spencer on the site. My partner says this explains why I am mystically drawn to spending money there. Judy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> Like you Keith I am also sceptical,although perhaps I would believe in it > a > bit more if it was free! ;-)) Another item that bothers me greatly: Several times now I have read that persons living today descend from a common ancestor who lived in say the year 950 or even earlier. Now we all know that once you get back to the late 1500's (if you can get there in the first place), the documentation "dries up" and you can no longer follow a paper trail to the next ancestor. So what's the use of knowing that you were related to someone else 1000 or more years ago? There's always going to be a void that will never be filled in. Besides, I really do not consider DNA testing as part of genealogy - it is genetics! Esther

Hello Everyone Following the recent messages about Marriage Indexes which are available in Shropshire I thought it might be helpful to provide a list of all such indexes rather than answer individual messages. Boyd's Marriage Index This covers the period 1538 to 1812, or in a few cases about 1840, but only for those parishes and those periods which are included in the printed registers of Shropshire published by the Shropshire Parish Register Society in the early 1900's. The index is available at the Shropshire Archives, Shrewsbury or the Society of Genealogists, (SoG) London. A fee is payable at the latter if you are not a member. Since August 2002 it is also available through the British Origins web site on a pay per view basis, see www.britishorigins.com Pallot Index Commenced in 1819, the index covers all but two of the 103 ancient London parishes but in addition includes about half of the Shropshire parishes for the period 1790-1812 (and just a few to 1837 or even later) but most of these are covered to a greater extent by Boyd's Index above although there is some additional coverage. It is owned by Achievements Ltd., 79-82 Northgate, Canterbury, Kent CT1 1BA. Tel: 01227 462618 (24 hour answering) Fax: 01227 765617 They consult the index for you and a fee of about £15 is payable for each separate and individual search. For extractions, the rate is £25 for up to 20 entries reported. Estimates will be given for more than 20 entries. Send an S.A.E. for further details. In 2002 the whole of this index became available for anyone to purchase on one CD-ROM at a cost of £59.95 inc. postage worldwide. It is available from TWR Computing, Clapstile Farm, Alpheton, Sudbury, Suffolk, CO10 9BN www.twrcomputing.co.uk The information is also available on the Ancestry.co.uk web site, but you must be a subscriber to use it. Lewis Index This index was compiled by the late Maurice G. Lewis and covers the period 1750 to 1812 for all those parishes which are not covered by Boyd's Index above and includes full details of the marriage as outlined in the Parish Registers. In addition the index incorporates over 5,000 'strays' i.e. Salopian’s who married outside Shropshire - these are for any date up to 1837. Widows, where identified as such in the P.Rs., and girls who married away from their own parish are also indexed, but girls who married in their own parish are not indexed separately. See note below. Gwynne Index This covers the period 1813 to 1837 for all parishes in existence at that time. It is compiled from Original Registers, or Bishops Transcripts where the original is no longer available. The index was commenced in March 1978 by Mr Richard Gwynne and following his death soon afterwards was continued by his brother, Mr Robert Gwynne who has since died. The index records approximately 36,500 marriages solemnised in some 222 parishes. In addition it includes marriages from five border parishes, but does not include other strays. Where identified, widows and widowers are shown and the Index includes females, as well as males, in alphabetical order. See note below. North Wales Marriage Index This is mainly for North Wales counties but also includes the following Shropshire Parishes in the north west of the county:- Chirbury, Clive, Cockshutt, Criftins, Dudleston, Ellesmere, Halston, Hordley, Kinnerley, Knockin, Llanyblodwel, Llanymynech, Melverley, Oswestry, St. Martin's, Selattyn, Welshampton, Wem, Weston, Whittington and no others. The Index can be accessed on Genfair at www.genfair.com Details of all parishes covered from: Mr Dafydd Hayes, Pen Y Cae, Ffordd Hendy, Gwernymynydd, Sir y Fflint, CH7 5JP e-mail: dafydd@wyddgrug.freeserve.co.uk Strays Index If a marriage cannot be located in any of the above it might be worth consulting the Strays Index which is run by the Shropshire Family History Society. This information is freely available on the Society web site at www.sfhs.org.uk select ‘Resources’ from the front page. NOTE During the later part of 2006 the Lewis and Gwynne indexes were both donated to the Shropshire FHS but as they are both in paper format it has been decided to computerise them so that they can be made available on CD-ROM as a single index. Obviously this work is going to take several months to complete and during this time it will not be possible to look up entries for researchers. The short term wait will provide a long term gain for everyone. Mike

I am researching the following name - JONES : Whitchurch area (Shrops) I would be pleased to hear from anyone with similar interests. Thanks Tim

Hi Mike, What does the Index cover? I can't find a marriage in about 1799 ? and on the 1841 census in Staffordshire it says she wasn't born in the County and I would think Shropshire would be the most likely place for her birth and marriage. Trouble is I don't know her surname. Regards, Irene. At 19:51 29/09/06, you wrote: >Hello > >Thank you Mike for the upto date information about the Gwynne Index. I am >sorry to hear of the death of Mr Gwynne, but pleased that his work has been >passed on to the Shropshire FHs so that it can be made available to a wider >audience. I will just have to hold on to my desire to complete this >particular jigsaw puzzle. >Thanks again >Beverley Richards

Thanks for your reminiscing. It seems familiar as I have also passed along that trail, since I'm 80. The next thing for you is to start a DNA Project, or get involved on the Price name or check out the surname on: http://relativegenetics.com/relativegenetics/index.jsp to see others that have been tested, already. All you do is click on the address, input the name and send a message to the Coordinator for info. Ross GH Cotton, Burlington ON CAN 905)639-2929 Genealogy of the COTTON surname is my Enigma. I haven't sent an attachment if the details are not mentioned above. Check out my Genealogy Web Page at www.skylinc.net/~rgcotton GOONS member responsible for tracking the family name COTTON, #1437 Coordinator for Cotton DNA testing Project, Worldwide, See http://home.comcast.net/~cottondna/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Price To: clwyd@rootsweb.com ; eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 4:13 AM Subject: [ENG-SHROP] Changing patterns re. research Hi all I thought I'd like to share with you these thoughts. I am 71 years of age. Still young no doubt compared to some others on these lists. I first commenced genealogy research with a vengeance at the age of 59, which means I have been at it for about 13 years. My thoughts back in 1993 or 1994 were that this was something that might go for a couple of years and then probably fade out, mainly due to lack of records and research facilities. As the years rolled on I began to consider that my initial supposition was wrong. I had commenced a family history rag called Genetree for my relatives and also thought that it would not last beyond a couple of years. Wrong again! It continues. Researching in our State Library of Victoria and in other genealogy libraries was by way of book, microfiche and eventually microfilm. Nothing much could replace that, could it? Wrong again. CDs began to be offered and then the world wide internet came to us and with it some records previously unobtainable offered themselves to us. Things were expanding. My mind was expanding. Okay, so I was ahead of most with a computer at home (never had one previously) and a genealogy database, but then, suddenly being on the internet was exciting, for at last I could connect with Wales and Shropshire on a daily basis. I believe my first joinings were with the Clwyd and the Shropshire lists around 1996, thought Clwyd really did not get up and run properly until 1998 and Shropshire until 2000. What fascinating times these were! My point is for all on the list, that as you go on with your search for individual family members, away in the background other things are happening. People are continuously transcribing more records, more CDs are being planned, more online projects are being organized, and the world goes on. Patience is the keyword. Computer technology is always updating, moving on. A year ago I would not have considered doing PDF copies for others on this list (off-list, of course) but it seems that this is the coming thing and helps to spread information far and wide. As far as communication of research is concerned the world is growing smaller day by day. I understand that the LDS folk have plans to make available parish registers digitized and online in the near future. The world moves on, and anyone who is still stuck in researching genealogy as it was ten years ago ought to get their act together and update! No space for dinosaurs here. I now expect that I should be still be saying this when I am 100 if such be my luck, and again am quite willing to accept that I was also wrong regarding the future. Happy hunting Graham Melbourne Oz ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have an unwanted copy birth certificate for- Eunice Mary Edwards born 24th March 1900, father John Owen Edwards, a coachman, and Isabella Hughan, formerley Edgar. Address 3 Lovat Street, Liverpool, Mount Pleasant. The family are on the 1901 census where it states that John Owen Edwards was born in Shawbury and Isabella was born in Scotland. I also have extra information re Eunice Mary. Please contact me if you are interested. Cynthia

Hi there, absolutley fascinating - thanks very much So "living in sin" is'nt such a modern thing after all ! I wonder which boarder she favoured the most - or perhaps both ! I see the son Charles samuel is missing - it must have been married by 1901 ? Thaks again Best Wishes, Margaret From: "pneanne" <pne.anne@ntlworld.com> Reply-To: eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com To: <eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [ENG-SHROP] Charles Rea - 1901 census help Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 19:30:41 +0100 Hi Margaret, The 1901 Census took a bit longer. All the family were transcribed at Kea. 81 Bush Street? Wolverhampton Mary A. Rea head Wid. 49 Stodderton Shrops. Charles Rea son 24 Coal carter Market Drayton William Rea son 23 Coal carter " Alfred Rea son 13 Coal carter " John Rea son 9 " Fred Rea son 1 " William Robinson boarder 39 Coal Carter Market Drayton Samuel Gresty boarder 36 General Labourer Nantwich, Ches. I wonder if William Robinson is the father of Fred and Alfred, as Mary Ann was a widow in 1891. There is a death for Charles Rea in the June Quarter 1890 Market Drayton, aged 42 years. My husband's great grandmother had a lodger living with her on the 1901 Census and the youngest two children were his, although it still showed her as married. We never found out where her husband was. Anne in Bolton. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Sheridan" <sheridansweep@hotmail.com> To: <eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-SHROP] Charles Rea - 1891 census help > Hello anne, > Thank you for your kind help - that really helped solve the mystery ! > (wonderful !) > I wonder what is recorded for 1901 ? > > Best Wishes, > Margaret > > > From: "pneanne" <pne.anne@ntlworld.com> > Reply-To: eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com > To: <eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [ENG-SHROP] Charles Rea - 1891 census help > Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 14:54:53 +0100 > > Hi Margaret, > > I have found your family in 1891. I have found them through searching for > the daughter Betsy. She has been transcribed as Betsy Bolton on Ancestry, > but this was the name of the family living next door. > > Cheshire Street, Drayton in Hales > > Mary Ann Rea head Wid. 39 Charwoman Stotherton Worcs. > Betsy Rea d. 18 General Servant Stourbridge > Charles S, son 15 Grocer's porter Market Drayton > William G. son 12 Scholar Market Drayton > Sarah A. d. 8 Market Drayton > Alfred Thomas son 3 Market Drayton > > Anne in Bolton, Lancashire. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jane Houghton" <jane@janehoughton.co.uk> > To: <eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 1:41 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-SHROP] Charles Rea - 1891 census help > > > > Hi I have had a swift look for all family members in 1891 and can't find > > any. Probably means name has been miss transcribed ---haven't time to > > try > > permutations now but if no one else has helped will have a go later > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Margaret Sheridan" <sheridansweep@hotmail.com> > > To: <ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 1:14 PM > > Subject: [ENG-SHROP] Charles Rea - 1891 census help > > > > > >> Hi there, > >> Just a quick note wondering if some kind soul possibly has the 1891 > >> shropshire census and could do a quick look up for me ? > >> I am looking for Charles Rea and family. > >> Charles was born in Alveley around 1848 (occupation- Blacksmith ) > >> Married to Mary ann- children include a Betsy, Charles and a William > >> The 1881 census records them living in Drayton in Hales. > >> > >> Any help very much appreciated > >> Best Wishes, > >> Margaret > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.10/459 - Release Date: > > 29/09/2006 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.10/459 - Release Date: > 29/09/2006 > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Margaret, The 1901 Census took a bit longer. All the family were transcribed at Kea. 81 Bush Street? Wolverhampton Mary A. Rea head Wid. 49 Stodderton Shrops. Charles Rea son 24 Coal carter Market Drayton William Rea son 23 Coal carter " Alfred Rea son 13 Coal carter " John Rea son 9 " Fred Rea son 1 " William Robinson boarder 39 Coal Carter Market Drayton Samuel Gresty boarder 36 General Labourer Nantwich, Ches. I wonder if William Robinson is the father of Fred and Alfred, as Mary Ann was a widow in 1891. There is a death for Charles Rea in the June Quarter 1890 Market Drayton, aged 42 years. My husband's great grandmother had a lodger living with her on the 1901 Census and the youngest two children were his, although it still showed her as married. We never found out where her husband was. Anne in Bolton. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Sheridan" <sheridansweep@hotmail.com> To: <eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-SHROP] Charles Rea - 1891 census help > Hello anne, > Thank you for your kind help - that really helped solve the mystery ! > (wonderful !) > I wonder what is recorded for 1901 ? > > Best Wishes, > Margaret > > > From: "pneanne" <pne.anne@ntlworld.com> > Reply-To: eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com > To: <eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [ENG-SHROP] Charles Rea - 1891 census help > Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 14:54:53 +0100 > > Hi Margaret, > > I have found your family in 1891. I have found them through searching for > the daughter Betsy. She has been transcribed as Betsy Bolton on Ancestry, > but this was the name of the family living next door. > > Cheshire Street, Drayton in Hales > > Mary Ann Rea head Wid. 39 Charwoman Stotherton Worcs. > Betsy Rea d. 18 General Servant Stourbridge > Charles S, son 15 Grocer's porter Market Drayton > William G. son 12 Scholar Market Drayton > Sarah A. d. 8 Market Drayton > Alfred Thomas son 3 Market Drayton > > Anne in Bolton, Lancashire. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jane Houghton" <jane@janehoughton.co.uk> > To: <eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 1:41 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-SHROP] Charles Rea - 1891 census help > > > > Hi I have had a swift look for all family members in 1891 and can't find > > any. Probably means name has been miss transcribed ---haven't time to > > try > > permutations now but if no one else has helped will have a go later > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Margaret Sheridan" <sheridansweep@hotmail.com> > > To: <ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 1:14 PM > > Subject: [ENG-SHROP] Charles Rea - 1891 census help > > > > > >> Hi there, > >> Just a quick note wondering if some kind soul possibly has the 1891 > >> shropshire census and could do a quick look up for me ? > >> I am looking for Charles Rea and family. > >> Charles was born in Alveley around 1848 (occupation- Blacksmith ) > >> Married to Mary ann- children include a Betsy, Charles and a William > >> The 1881 census records them living in Drayton in Hales. > >> > >> Any help very much appreciated > >> Best Wishes, > >> Margaret > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.10/459 - Release Date: > > 29/09/2006 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.10/459 - Release Date: > 29/09/2006 >