At 06:23 AM 26/09/2006, KATHLEEN JONES wrote: >Is there anywhere a kind researcher that can help, I am researching >the Dorricott Tree, but one of my Great's - Grandmother was Hannah >Parry, born February 4 1811 (according to family Bible), and in Westbury Hello Kathy Sorry to take so long to get back, been busy, and as she seems not to be listed on the IGI, makes one wonder. However, I have access to Westbury parish registers as transcribed by the Shropshire Parish Register Society circa 1900 at our State Library BUT only to 1812 (very close!!) I shall be very glad to have a look for you in this book transcription. As these are kept in a secure conservative location and can only be got down on request I would ask you to verify that you still would like a look-up before I go and order such. You can contact me off-list if you wish. Cherrio Graham Melbourne Oz

Hi I am wondering if anybody can help me with a problem. My Foxalls were merchants who lived in Ostend Flanders in the 1700s but according to the Burgess book for Bridgnorth, Co. Salop (microfilm 127, Shropshire Records Centre in Shrewsbury) records the following: Name: William Foxall Residence at time of enrolment: Ostend in Flanders In what right to enrol: Son of Wm, Stay maker Date of enrolment: 27th October 1789 William is my Gt GT GT Grandfather and he had two children in the late 1700, Thomas and Bridget. I am descended from Thomas, When the French began to invade in the late 1700 the family left Ostend and (here I am guessing) returned to England. The next reference I can find is William's son Thomas joins the Royal Navy at the age of 13, and remains in or near Portsmounth (i.e Hampshire) for the rest of his life. MY problem is that I cannot find any further reference to the rest of the family in Hampshire and I would if SKS could look up the Burial index for either William (born 1765) his wife Mary (birth unknown) in the Shropshire area to see if they returned there. Alternatively if somebody has access to the Marriage Index for shropshire to see if Bridget Foxall (born July 22,1790) is mentioned. Many thanks for any help or advise Alan Foxall

Many thanks Ian.Worth a try.Will let you know.Regards.Penny.

Penny Roberts wrote: > Hi all.Trying to find a birth certificate for Enora Lewis 1900. Hi Penny, Here's three possibilities: 1899 Q2 - LEWIS, Nora, Chester 8a 401 1899 Q3 - LEWIS, Lenora, Chester 8a 380 1900 Q3 - LEWIS, Leonora, Chester 8a 387 Ian

Thanks Ian.Yes i do believe it was Broxton.I also made another mistake.Enoras Mother was Alice(formerly)Patten.I do believe Thomas was married 3 times but i only know of 2.Appolagies for that and thanks.Regards.Penny

Penny Roberts wrote: > Hi all.Trying to find a birth certificate for Enora Lewis 1900.On the 1901 census it states she was born in Brixton,Cheshire.She was with her Father who was a widower Thomas Lewis.They lived in Market Drayton.I've looked in the S+N Genealogy under Enora,Eleanora,Nora and E.Norah but no luck.Her Mother was Elizabeth (formerly Matthews.Could anyone help me please. Hi Penny, Read that as Broxton, near Malpas. In 1900 this should have been registered at Chester (but may have even been registered at Wrexham or Whitchurch). I'll take a look and let you know. Ian

Hi all.Trying to find a birth certificate for Enora Lewis 1900.On the 1901 census it states she was born in Brixton,Cheshire.She was with her Father who was a widower Thomas Lewis.They lived in Market Drayton.I've looked in the S+N Genealogy under Enora,Eleanora,Nora and E.Norah but no luck.Her Mother was Elizabeth (formerly Matthews.Could anyone help me please.Regard.Penny.

Is anyone researching the BLOUNT/BLUNT family of Worfield SAL? John BLUNT married Mary GROOM 23rd may 1746 at Worfield. As far as I can make out, they had six children - William, Benjamin (who died in infancy), Elizabeth (who also died in infancy), Benjamin, John and Elizabeth (who also died in infancy.) Both Benjamin and John may have had descendants if my guess at their marriages is correct. John may have had a son called Samuel born 18th December 1793 and christened at Worfield 19th January 1794. The census has him as a Royal Marine and a Railway Policeman. Did he leave any descendants? Cyril

Dear All. Wonder if anyone has information on the RICHARDSON & PHILLIPS families from the Lydenbury North area. William PHILLIPS (born Mainstone 1815) was a farmer & his daughter Mary Ann (born 1855/6) was my Great Great Grandmother married to Arthur J RICHARDSON (born Wellington 1857/8) son of John RICHARDSON (born Pulford, Cheshire 1816) A Police Inspector. I would apprieciate any help. Also with information on the police force back then. John is described as a Police Inspector in 1851. Thank you kindly Jane Slowgrove (nee Worlock) --------------------------------- Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com

Hello Renee If you have a connection with a Gertrude Waring, possibly Lady Waring 1900s, get in touch OFF-LIST as I have an extraction from "The Times" you might like to see regarding a court case. Cheers Graham Melbourne Oz

At 02:39 AM 4/10/2006, 2twigs3 wrote: > Hello Diana in Ontario, >Thought a quick look at trades directories for your Samuel Davis, >auctioneer, should be easy find, but not so for Shropshire>>>>> snip>>>>> Hi there Somehow I must have missed this message, perhaps being too fast on the delete button! Also could not access the archives today to see what the original message was. Anyway, I have fairly all BICKLEY transcriptions BMB's for Ellesmere, St. Mary's, and also DAVIES or possibly even DAVIS from early days up to 1890s. Let me know what it is you are looking for. Cheers Graham Melbourne Oz

Thank you Jo, I appreciate your taking the time to look up these names for me. I've tried to find Samuel in directories before, with no luck - I wonder if he did change his occupation - it was on his daughter's marriage reg'n in 1849, but of course, he might already have been dead by then I suppose. I'm going to check out the Samuel you found at Bagley, he might be mine. I recognize some of the Bickleys you mention - Andrew I have looked at many times thinking he was one of mine, but he isn't, it was certainly a favourite name for the Bickleys however. I'm just about to leave home for a few days Jo - perhaps I'll get in touch next week and request a look up from you if that's OK? Thanks again for your help. Diana Robinson Ontario 2twigs3 wrote: > Hello Diana in Ontario, >Thought a quick look at trades directories for your Samuel Davis, >auctioneer, should be easy find, but not so for Shropshire, and I only have >a too-early directory for Montgomeryshire. >However, following may be some of yours. If new and of interest I can look >in other Shropshire directories. > >1863 and 1870 same entries for both: >Bickley Joseph, farmer & maltser, Grove, Bagley, Hordley. >Davies, Samuel, farmer, Bagley. > >1870 Ellesmere, Bickley Martha Mrs, White Hart, Birch Row. >1863 Ellesmere, Bickley Andrew, postmaster & clerk to the guardians, Chapel >Street. >1863 Ellesmere, Bickley Robert, White Hart, Birch Row. > >Jo. >Shropshire > > > > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Hi folks, Please put an end to the 'DNA' thread immediately. It has strayed way off-topic and we must now return to the subject of the list - SHROPSHIRE+ There are other forums devoted to the subject of DNA testing and these and the dedicated surname/one-name studies forums are a more suitable place to discuss the subject. I would have stepped in much sooner but I have been away from my computer for a couple of days. Cheers, Dave Jassie - List Administrator Why not visit 'Gen-Links' - http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.com/~jassie/index.html

Hi No, it wasn't received as flamy; people like to discuss these things, it's interesting. My particular interest was when you said: "Now you all know that Waring is an English surname. There is no connection to Spain whatsoever and no Spanish in his background either. I have the Waring gentleman's workup back to the 1200's. There is no Spanish connection." Having a Waring surname isn't going to stop anyone having a different bloodline than that named. Nor is there such a thing as an 'English surname'.. And patriarchal lineage is as much about women as it is about men - but there's only a male 'word' to show for it. I can't say exactly why there should have been a discrepancy between one low resolution test and a later high resolution test, I'll look into it; but I don't think it fair to dismiss the entire process from one uncertain result, if that's what it is. In passing, I sometimes wonder, as a researcher of women's history, if some people don't like the idea of scientific testing because it might show up the long history of male 'lineage', and names, to be a 'sham'! But that would be too strong a word... :) Best wishes Sue On 4/10/06 1:14 am, "Reneelwaring@aol.com" <Reneelwaring@aol.com> wrote: > In a message dated 10/3/06 7:16:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > sj-white@tiscali.co.uk writes: > Hello > > I think it would be at best unfair and at worst naïve to call genealogy DNA > testing a sham. > > In my experience of genealogy as an academic researcher, I have found far > more errors in genealogical 'research' from human beings than both amateur > and paid 'researchers' would like to think. > > And is it not at all possible, in centuries of "record keeping', that a > woman might have had more freedom and licence that she would like to let on > to the record collectors? > > Sue > If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, then it must be a duck. Sham is > the only way to explain why two men would match 12 out of 12 on one test and > 0 out of 24 on the 24. At the least he should have had a 12 point match out > of the 24 since the same 12 points are retested for the 24 point test.. If > you > check into the testing as I have done since I ran the web page for the > company you would understand better. That's my bit. I'm done. I hope this > wasn't > received as being a bit flamy, as it wasn't really meant to be. If the DNA > testing cooks your carrot, then by all means. I'm keeping my two hundred > dollars in my pocket thank you. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello I think it would be at best unfair and at worst naïve to call genealogy DNA testing a sham. In my experience of genealogy as an academic researcher, I have found far more errors in genealogical 'research' from human beings than both amateur and paid 'researchers' would like to think. And is it not at all possible, in centuries of "record keeping', that a woman might have had more freedom and licence that she would like to let on to the record collectors? Sue On 3/10/06 9:00 pm, "Reneelwaring@aol.com" <Reneelwaring@aol.com> wrote: > I think I need to add my two cents. I run a one-name-study group and at one > time pushed to have my members do a DNA test. One man did a 12 point test. > Turned out he matched with a name that our family histories show is related to > our surname. They recommented that he spend a little more money and get the > 24 point test kone which he did. When the second test was done they said he > had "O" matches to the other feller but darn it wouldn't you know he is a > perfect match with a guy from Spain who has his workup done to. Now you all > know > that Waring is an English surname. There is no connection to Spain whatsoever > and no spanish in his background either. I have the Waring gentleman's workup > back to the 1200's. There is no Spanish connection. > > We asked them to redue the test since it didn't make sense that my Waring > matched the first fellow on the 12 point but didn't even match him with "1" > point > on the 24. They refused. > > I smell a "scam". The laboritory is one known by all of you but I won't name > it. All I know is I no longer support this type of research and would > "never" recommend it to any of my researchers. I feel sorry for the guy that > put > out all that money for the testing. If I could refund his money I would. > > Sincerely, > > > Renee L. Waring > Owner Operator > The Center for Waring Family History > "We live as long as we are remembered." > F = Luther Perks Waring m. Leah Jane Vaughn Clearfield Co., PA, USA > GF = Edmund Luther Waring m. Eva Ruth Breth Clearfield Co., PA, USA > GGF = Franklin Bowman Waring m. Florence Curley Clearfield Co., PA, USA > GGGF = Thomas Waring m. Margery Beers 1836 Clearfield Co., PA, USA > GGGGF = William Waring (Grandfather of William Griffith Waring) m. Gynnllian > Hancorn 1793 Herefordshire, Engl. > GGGGGF = Edmund Waring m. Anne Cooke 1748 Leominster, Herefordshire, England > GGGGGGF = William Waring m. Margery Barley (Barloe) 1719 Leominster, > Herefordshire, England > GGGGGGGF = Andrew Waring (1665 - ) m. Ann Leominster, Herefordshire, England > GGGGGGGGF = Andrew Waring m .Margaret Hays 1662 Shropshire, England > GGGGGGGGGF = Henry Waring m. Joanne Pierce 1637 Shropshire, England > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Reneelwaring@aol.com wrote: > I think I need to add my two cents. I run a one-name-study group and at one > time pushed to have my members do a DNA test. One man did a 12 point test. > Turned out he matched with a name that our family histories show is related to > our surname. They recommented that he spend a little more money and get the > 24 point test kone which he did. When the second test was done they said he > had "O" matches to the other feller but darn it wouldn't you know he is a > perfect match with a guy from Spain who has his workup done to. Now you all know > that Waring is an English surname. There is no connection to Spain whatsoever > and no spanish in his background either. I have the Waring gentleman's workup > back to the 1200's. There is no Spanish connection. > > We asked them to redue the test since it didn't make sense that my Waring > matched the first fellow on the 12 point but didn't even match him with "1" point > on the 24. They refused. > > I smell a "scam". The laboritory is one known by all of you but I won't name > it. All I know is I no longer support this type of research and would > "never" recommend it to any of my researchers. I feel sorry for the guy that put > out all that money for the testing. If I could refund his money I would. > > Hi Renee, I've refrained from commenting on the DNA issue up to know but I think your comments simply confirm my reservations about the tests. It reminds me of the allergy testing services which were offered a while back where they could tell what foods or products a person was allergic to by "analysing" one hair from their head! I think they just prove that you can fool some of the people a lot of the time! Ian

In a message dated 10/3/06 7:16:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sj-white@tiscali.co.uk writes: Hello I think it would be at best unfair and at worst naïve to call genealogy DNA testing a sham. In my experience of genealogy as an academic researcher, I have found far more errors in genealogical 'research' from human beings than both amateur and paid 'researchers' would like to think. And is it not at all possible, in centuries of "record keeping', that a woman might have had more freedom and licence that she would like to let on to the record collectors? Sue If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, then it must be a duck. Sham is the only way to explain why two men would match 12 out of 12 on one test and 0 out of 24 on the 24. At the least he should have had a 12 point match out of the 24 since the same 12 points are retested for the 24 point test.. If you check into the testing as I have done since I ran the web page for the company you would understand better. That's my bit. I'm done. I hope this wasn't received as being a bit flamy, as it wasn't really meant to be. If the DNA testing cooks your carrot, then by all means. I'm keeping my two hundred dollars in my pocket thank you.

Hello Diana in Ontario, Thought a quick look at trades directories for your Samuel Davis, auctioneer, should be easy find, but not so for Shropshire, and I only have a too-early directory for Montgomeryshire. However, following may be some of yours. If new and of interest I can look in other Shropshire directories. 1863 and 1870 same entries for both: Bickley Joseph, farmer & maltser, Grove, Bagley, Hordley. Davies, Samuel, farmer, Bagley. 1870 Ellesmere, Bickley Martha Mrs, White Hart, Birch Row. 1863 Ellesmere, Bickley Andrew, postmaster & clerk to the guardians, Chapel Street. 1863 Ellesmere, Bickley Robert, White Hart, Birch Row. Jo. Shropshire

I think I need to add my two cents. I run a one-name-study group and at one time pushed to have my members do a DNA test. One man did a 12 point test. Turned out he matched with a name that our family histories show is related to our surname. They recommented that he spend a little more money and get the 24 point test kone which he did. When the second test was done they said he had "O" matches to the other feller but darn it wouldn't you know he is a perfect match with a guy from Spain who has his workup done to. Now you all know that Waring is an English surname. There is no connection to Spain whatsoever and no spanish in his background either. I have the Waring gentleman's workup back to the 1200's. There is no Spanish connection. We asked them to redue the test since it didn't make sense that my Waring matched the first fellow on the 12 point but didn't even match him with "1" point on the 24. They refused. I smell a "scam". The laboritory is one known by all of you but I won't name it. All I know is I no longer support this type of research and would "never" recommend it to any of my researchers. I feel sorry for the guy that put out all that money for the testing. If I could refund his money I would. Sincerely, Renee L. Waring Owner Operator The Center for Waring Family History "We live as long as we are remembered." F = Luther Perks Waring m. Leah Jane Vaughn Clearfield Co., PA, USA GF = Edmund Luther Waring m. Eva Ruth Breth Clearfield Co., PA, USA GGF = Franklin Bowman Waring m. Florence Curley Clearfield Co., PA, USA GGGF = Thomas Waring m. Margery Beers 1836 Clearfield Co., PA, USA GGGGF = William Waring (Grandfather of William Griffith Waring) m. Gynnllian Hancorn 1793 Herefordshire, Engl. GGGGGF = Edmund Waring m. Anne Cooke 1748 Leominster, Herefordshire, England GGGGGGF = William Waring m. Margery Barley (Barloe) 1719 Leominster, Herefordshire, England GGGGGGGF = Andrew Waring (1665 - ) m. Ann Leominster, Herefordshire, England GGGGGGGGF = Andrew Waring m .Margaret Hays 1662 Shropshire, England GGGGGGGGGF = Henry Waring m. Joanne Pierce 1637 Shropshire, England

I agree that the results for genealogical information from DNA can be disappointing. Usually one gets the results and then wonders... what the heck do these numbers mean? That having been said... when I started researching our surname, EMBRY, all sources stated that the name was English. There is a population of Embrys, Embreys and Emburys in England. Still throughout the years there have been clues that led me to believe that it was actually French. The results of my father's deep SNP DNA, which was just returned this week, indicate he is I1a which is from northern France. There is a small town by the name of Embry in the Pas de Calais area there, but virtually no EMBRY people. There are many ways to use DNA, but it certainly does take a long time to understand it's uses and limitations (and I really don't pretend to know-it-all). If your interest is strictly genealogical you can't abandon those tried and true methods and hope to get it all from DNA. However I don't believe it's a sham, it's just another (complicated) tool to use in putting together the pieces of the puzzle. That's my last cent. Giselle