At 07:14 PM 8/10/2006, Martin Adams wrote: >Having seen Barbara's CADMAN request, it reminded me that I have a >Martha CADMAN born around 1801 in Dawley. I have her wedding and >subsequent details but nothing about her actual date of birth or parents. Hi Again, as my dear old list friend Keith Roberts says not trying to teach grandmothers to suck eggs, but if you go to Hugh Wallis' website and type in Cadman for Dawley, up comes a Martha Cadman christened 1797, which is soooooooo close. Could be, eh? Otherwise yours may have been baptized at another parish very close by. Also, I don't want to keep harping on this to the list lest I be seen as an advertiser or pusher or some such, but LDS at their local FH libraries scattered throughout the world in various towns do allow you to order in at their local libraries the original copies of parish registers and also Bishops Transcripts on microfilm for a very small fee; in Australia it is a mere $5, which is probably only about $3 in the US and Canada. That is an amazing low cost for a whole or part parish register. Which means that you can really get your teeth absolutely into family history research and do it all by yourself (with exciting results) at long last and not rely upon others. My advice, do it yourself if you can, it is more exhilarating that way. I am still gob-smacked after all these years why more people don't take up this offering. After all, you are then looking at original registers!!! Where else are you going to get them unless you live on the spot or are geographically close to the particular record office? Here are the original baptisms, marriages, burials etc. written in hand by the local vicar or the curate (mind you, vicars often stood back and let the several curates do the work unless someone of a fair importance to the parish was being married or buried, let alone baptisms). Re. my experience, I have had so many parish registers and Bishop Transcripts viewed on microfilm since 1994 at the local LDS FH library in my suburb and which have brought me so much success so that why would I not promote this way of researching? (And no, they don't check your religion or lack of it! It is a library, enough said.) I guess, as an estimate at this present time in 2006, I have had close to 200 microfilms viewed since 1994, and only a very small handful, perhaps less than 10, though I think it was really only around about 6, have failed to give me what I was looking for. That, surely, is a magnificent result over all those years. Perhaps that is the main reason why my computer database of connected family relatives has risen from 250 in 1994 to over 4000 in 2006? I feel I have to share this with you. Back in 1994 an LDS family history researcher said to me that she had over ten thousand on her computer database, all connected folk in her family tree. To be honest, at the time I smiled and said nothing, thinking this was foolishness. Then as the years unfolded and I myself found living members of my family tree, I too began to add in persons/families 40 or 50 at a time, then I found a marriage in 1863 that linked two of my family branches together, all perfectly certified by marriage certificate etc., and because of this marriage there was added almost 200 folks dead and living to my computer database in one fell swoop from a distant cousin. Of course it all had to be proved out, which it was. But just goes to show you how things can easily escalate in family history research. BUT again, one must always remember that one must know what one is looking for re. parish records and it is necessary to look in the right place. So just ordering a microfilm in case it MIGHT contain something of worth to you is not necessarily the correct thing to do. You have to pin things down to the very parish, the very village if necessary. In many cases the IGI, the BVR disks and the Free BMD will do this for you, but not always. So, ask for help. That's wot we are here for. To help. Do it. Cherrio Graham Melbourne Oz

Hi Graham, You have been helpful to me in the past and I certainly take on board what you say. Certainly something to think about as I am now pushing my way back on all sides of the family pre-1838. I live in Suffolk so my Essex mob are not too difficult, but Black Country and Shropshire are proving a little more difficult. regards. Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Price" <genetree@pacific.net.au> To: <eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-SHROP] CADMAN > At 07:14 PM 8/10/2006, Martin Adams wrote: >>Having seen Barbara's CADMAN request, it reminded me that I have a >>Martha CADMAN born around 1801 in Dawley. I have her wedding and >>subsequent details but nothing about her actual date of birth or parents. > > Hi > Again, as my dear old list friend Keith Roberts says not trying to > teach grandmothers to suck eggs, but if you go to Hugh Wallis' > website and type in Cadman for Dawley, up comes a Martha Cadman > christened 1797, which is soooooooo close. Could be, eh? Otherwise > yours may have been baptized at another parish very close by. > > Also, I don't want to keep harping on this to the list lest I be seen > as an advertiser or pusher or some such, but LDS at their local FH > libraries scattered throughout the world in various towns do allow > you to order in at their local libraries the original copies of > parish registers and also Bishops Transcripts on microfilm for a very > small fee; in Australia it is a mere $5, which is probably only about > $3 in the US and Canada. That is an amazing low cost for a whole or > part parish register. Which means that you can really get your teeth > absolutely into family history research and do it all by yourself > (with exciting results) at long last and not rely upon others. My > advice, do it yourself if you can, it is more exhilarating that > way. I am still gob-smacked after all these years why more people > don't take up this offering. After all, you are then looking at > original registers!!! Where else are you going to get them unless you > live on the spot or are geographically close to the particular record > office? Here are the original baptisms, marriages, burials etc. > written in hand by the local vicar or the curate (mind you, vicars > often stood back and let the several curates do the work unless > someone of a fair importance to the parish was being married or > buried, let alone baptisms). > > Re. my experience, I have had so many parish registers and Bishop > Transcripts viewed on microfilm since 1994 at the local LDS FH > library in my suburb and which have brought me so much success so > that why would I not promote this way of researching? (And no, they > don't check your religion or lack of it! It is a library, enough > said.) I guess, as an estimate at this present time in 2006, I have > had close to 200 microfilms viewed since 1994, and only a very small > handful, perhaps less than 10, though I think it was really only > around about 6, have failed to give me what I was looking for. That, > surely, is a magnificent result over all those years. Perhaps that is > the main reason why my computer database of connected family > relatives has risen from 250 in 1994 to over 4000 in 2006? I feel I > have to share this with you. Back in 1994 an LDS family history > researcher said to me that she had over ten thousand on her computer > database, all connected folk in her family tree. To be honest, at the > time I smiled and said nothing, thinking this was foolishness. Then > as the years unfolded and I myself found living members of my family > tree, I too began to add in persons/families 40 or 50 at a time, then > I found a marriage in 1863 that linked two of my family branches > together, all perfectly certified by marriage certificate etc., and > because of this marriage there was added almost 200 folks dead and > living to my computer database in one fell swoop from a distant > cousin. Of course it all had to be proved out, which it was. But just > goes to show you how things can easily escalate in family history > research. > > BUT again, one must always remember that one must know what one is > looking for re. parish records and it is necessary to look in the > right place. So just ordering a microfilm in case it MIGHT contain > something of worth to you is not necessarily the correct thing to do. > You have to pin things down to the very parish, the very village if > necessary. In many cases the IGI, the BVR disks and the Free BMD will > do this for you, but not always. > > So, ask for help. That's wot we are here for. To help. Do it. > Cherrio > Graham > Melbourne > Oz > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Dear listers, In the search for my Sarah Turnoff/Tournoff and the Keay family, I have today received a burial record for Sarah. On the page with Sarah are the following names - Joseph Woodvine Thomas Woodvine Eliza Hall Sarah Higgins Edward Brookes Hannah Williams Eliza Williams Should anyone want further details on these, the record lists the burial date and age but unfortunately no grave numbers to show where they are buried. Lee in Australia mlhaley@nor.com.au

Hi Keith, Many thanks for that. It throws up a birth in 1797 which could be right and a marriage of possible parents in 1793. the interesting thing is, the possible father John Cadman married a Jane Dangerfield and the daughter Martha married a Joseph Dangerfield in Everton in 1823. The plot thickens. very grateful for your advice and not an egg in site!. Regards Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "KEITH ROBERTS" <skrimhe@btinternet.com> To: <eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-SHROP] CADMAN > Hi Martin, > I don`t know whether you have used Hugh Wallis`s IGI site before: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/ > > If not, go there, hit England, hit Shropshire, hit Dawley Magna, put > Cadman into the search box and see P008591 and M008591 for a few clues > about your Cadmans. If you have allready done this then serves me right > for trying to teach Grandma how to suck eggs!! > > Keith > > Martin Adams <martin@adams3606.fsnet.co.uk> wrote: > Having seen Barbara's CADMAN request, it reminded me that I have a Martha > CADMAN born around 1801 in Dawley. I have her wedding and subsequent > details but nothing about her actual date of birth or parents. > Does she ring any bells anywhere? > Best Wishes > Martin > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Keith Roberts - Colwyn Bay, N. Wales. > *~~~~~*~~~~~*~~~~~*~~~~~*~~~~~*~~~~~* > www.tribalpages/tribes/kr2877 > www.byegones.co.uk > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

At 03:25 PM 8/10/2006, Barbara Cocker wrote: >I am searching for members of the CADMAN and PICKING families > >Thomas CADMAN( b ~ 1795, maybe in Wombridge or Shifnal) married prudence >PICKING (b 1799 Oakengates/Wombridge) in Shifnal in 1818. Hi Barbara Just wondering if this is your Thomas: CADMAN, Thomas Christening Gender: Male Christening Date: 5 Jun 1796 Recorded in: Wombridge, Shropshire, England Father: Thomas CADMAN Mother: Elenor Source: FHL Film Dates: 1782 - 1812 But then, more likely to be the following because the mother's name is Sarah and they had a Joseph as well: CADMAN, Thomas Christening Gender: Male Christening Date: 15 Jul 1798 Recorded in: Wombridge, Shropshire, England Father: James CADMAN Mother: Sarah Source: FHL Film Dates: 1782 - 1812 There are a couple of other Thomas Cadmans being christened to different parents in these times at Wombridge so it is a mite confusing. Your best idea would be to get hold of the original records, available on microfilm through the LDS folk at one of their Family History Libraries, and check out all of these families - you could have a lovely time!! You could also possibly eliminate a Thomas or two if any of them died in infancy or early childhood. That would certainly narrow your field. I have found that early burials have answered my queries more than once. There are baptism and burial details available on microfilm British Film No. 510685 for the times you require, some years missing, also Bishops Transcripts available from 1799. Good luck Graham

This is one of my brickwalls - Edward Mantle WEAVER was born ~ 1822 in Farlow Shropshire (or is it Herefordahire?) His father was Edward WEAVER born 1790 in Neen Sollars/ Neen Savage His mother might have been Margaret ? So far no marriage for Edward I am unable to find a bap for Edward Mantle WEAVER Some years are missing from the PR for Farlow, but his brother Thomas' parents (B 1830) were Edward and Margaret WEAVER. The other children of Edward and Margaret were Ann 1826 Samuel 1832 and Sarah 1835 In 1861 Edward Mantle WEAVER's children are living with their grandparents as Edward has migrated to NZ where he married Sarah CADMAN They then migrated to Australia and presumably Edward didn't see his children again. Any information/suggestions regarding this family very much appreciated Barbara

At 12:55 AM 8/10/2006, trevor wrote: >The date and place of birth of Lucy Jane Lloyd (nee Taylor) who >married Peter Charles (Percy) Lloyd in Walsall 1897. The marriage >certificate indicates she lived in Church street, Bloxwich and gives >her fathers name as Samuel Taylor, a Coal Miner. Hi Trevor Here's a possibility, taken from the BVR disks compliments of LDS/Intellectual Reserve: TAYLOR, Lucy Jane Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 6 Mar 1880 Christening Date: 19 Apr 1891 Recorded in: Pelsall, Staffordshire, England Father: Samuel TAYLOR Mother: Maria Source: FHL Film 1471181 Dates: 1763 - 1905 Cheers Graham Melbourne Oz

I am searching for members of the CADMAN and PICKING families Thomas CADMAN( b ~ 1795, maybe in Wombridge or Shifnal) married prudence PICKING (b 1799 Oakengates/Wombridge) in Shifnal in 1818. They had 7 children Joseph b 1819 Thomas b 1820 Prudence b 1823 Hannah b 1829 Sarah b 1832 Grace b1835 and Mary b 1837 By 1841 Thomas has died and Prudence is living in Wombridge with her children. Prudence CADMAN (dtr) married in 1840 - Richard JOHNSON - but she seems to have dissappeared after that I can't find her in 1851. Prudence CADMAN (mother) remarried in 1841 - Enoch WILLDIN She is living with her son in 1851 but then disappears Sarah CADMAN was my ggrandmother. She migrated to Australia via NZ Barbara Perth Australia

Hi Martin, I don`t know whether you have used Hugh Wallis`s IGI site before: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/ If not, go there, hit England, hit Shropshire, hit Dawley Magna, put Cadman into the search box and see P008591 and M008591 for a few clues about your Cadmans. If you have allready done this then serves me right for trying to teach Grandma how to suck eggs!! Keith Martin Adams <martin@adams3606.fsnet.co.uk> wrote: Having seen Barbara's CADMAN request, it reminded me that I have a Martha CADMAN born around 1801 in Dawley. I have her wedding and subsequent details but nothing about her actual date of birth or parents. Does she ring any bells anywhere? Best Wishes Martin ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Keith Roberts - Colwyn Bay, N. Wales. *~~~~~*~~~~~*~~~~~*~~~~~*~~~~~*~~~~~* www.tribalpages/tribes/kr2877 www.byegones.co.uk

Graham Many many thanks, I think you have cracked it. Trevor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Price" <genetree@pacific.net.au> To: <eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 4:42 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-SHROP] Brick wall > At 12:55 AM 8/10/2006, trevor wrote: >>The date and place of birth of Lucy Jane Lloyd (nee Taylor) who >>married Peter Charles (Percy) Lloyd in Walsall 1897. The marriage >>certificate indicates she lived in Church street, Bloxwich and gives >>her fathers name as Samuel Taylor, a Coal Miner. > > Hi Trevor > Here's a possibility, taken from the BVR disks compliments of > LDS/Intellectual Reserve: > TAYLOR, Lucy Jane Christening > Gender: Female > Birth Date: 6 Mar 1880 > Christening Date: 19 Apr 1891 Recorded > in: Pelsall, Staffordshire, England > Father: Samuel TAYLOR > Mother: Maria > Source: FHL Film 1471181 Dates: 1763 - 1905 > > Cheers > Graham > Melbourne > Oz > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Having seen Barbara's CADMAN request, it reminded me that I have a Martha CADMAN born around 1801 in Dawley. I have her wedding and subsequent details but nothing about her actual date of birth or parents. Does she ring any bells anywhere? Best Wishes Martin

Hi Kathleen, Given that Bridgnorth isn't a really large town, Gittos is a fairly unusual surname and Benjamin is not a common given name I don't doubt you have the right family. If it was John, Thomas and William you might wonder. The men could be cousins but there is room in the family for another set of twins in 1807/8 or perhaps it is 88 and not 83 on his death certificate - is it a clear "3". The first girls born have an unusual given name - can you do anything with it? Regards, Irene. At 19:00 6/10/06, you wrote: >Dear Irene, > >I have the same information through the LDS and I feel this just MIGHT be >the family I am looking for. I only wish it was, (it would be easy wouldn't >it) but because of Benjamin's sketchy birth date (he could not read or >write) and was tried at Warwick in 1824 for stealing and transported for 14 >years, it is a very grey area. He died in 1891 and on his death certificate >it states that he was 83 years BUT could he have been say 88? Who knows. I >will just have to keep trying. Many thanks for your suggestions. > >Regards, > >Kathleen. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Irene M. Fullarton" <imf07@optusnet.com.au> >To: <eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 9:38 AM >Subject: Re: [ENG-SHROP] (ENG-SHROP) Gittos family name > > > > Hi Kathleen, > > > > Not sure if this helps but John mar. Mary Malpas 13.12.1795. > > > > Children Miria c. 22.3.1797, Mianna c. 30.1.1799, twins Benjamin and Anne > > b. 9.12.1801 c. 14.3.1802, Sarah b. 13.1.1805 c. 15.2.1805, James b. > > 8.5.1810 c. 13.5.1810 and Samuel c. 17.5.1816. Sorry no William but this > > is from the IGI so may be his entry was not transcribed or he just wasn't > > Christened. All at Bridgnorth. > > > > Regards, > > > > Irene.

Hi all I have hit a wall in two areas at present 1. The date (c1712) and place of marriage of Francis Lloyd and Anne who lived in Atcham, SAL around this time and 2. The date and place of birth of Lucy Jane Lloyd (nee Taylor) who married Peter Charles (Percy) Lloyd in Walsall 1897. The marriage certificate indicates she lived in Church street, Bloxwich and gives her fathers name as Samuel Taylor, a Coal Miner. Any information would be appreciated and if you think you may be linked please check out my website below. Many thanks. Trevor Lloyd www.trevlloyd.co.uk

Hello Jane Can't help with the family 'fraid, but re. old Police files, often these are held at the local record office, or council office. I had a similiar research problem for a guy born Shropshire who moved to London, Hampshire, eventually Berkshire, eventually joining the constabulary. I emailed the Thames Valley Police who put me onto the curator of the Police Museum, who then directed me to the Berkshire record office, and they had available the examination papers of my man which for a small sum, I could have. If you contact the Police liaison folk in the district in which you consider your fellow was from, you may have some luck. Possibly a little online "running" around as I had to do, but in the end, success. Good luck Graham Melbourne Oz

Dear Graham Thank you kindly, I'll try that. Jane Graham Price <genetree@pacific.net.au> wrote: Hello Jane Can't help with the family 'fraid, but re. old Police files, often these are held at the local record office, or council office. I had a similiar research problem for a guy born Shropshire who moved to London, Hampshire, eventually Berkshire, eventually joining the constabulary. I emailed the Thames Valley Police who put me onto the curator of the Police Museum, who then directed me to the Berkshire record office, and they had available the examination papers of my man which for a small sum, I could have. If you contact the Police liaison folk in the district in which you consider your fellow was from, you may have some luck. Possibly a little online "running" around as I had to do, but in the end, success. Good luck Graham Melbourne Oz ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.

Dear Irene, I have the same information through the LDS and I feel this just MIGHT be the family I am looking for. I only wish it was, (it would be easy wouldn't it) but because of Benjamin's sketchy birth date (he could not read or write) and was tried at Warwick in 1824 for stealing and transported for 14 years, it is a very grey area. He died in 1891 and on his death certificate it states that he was 83 years BUT could he have been say 88? Who knows. I will just have to keep trying. Many thanks for your suggestions. Regards, Kathleen. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Irene M. Fullarton" <imf07@optusnet.com.au> To: <eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 9:38 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-SHROP] (ENG-SHROP) Gittos family name > Hi Kathleen, > > Not sure if this helps but John mar. Mary Malpas 13.12.1795. > > Children Miria c. 22.3.1797, Mianna c. 30.1.1799, twins Benjamin and Anne > b. 9.12.1801 c. 14.3.1802, Sarah b. 13.1.1805 c. 15.2.1805, James b. > 8.5.1810 c. 13.5.1810 and Samuel c. 17.5.1816. Sorry no William but this > is from the IGI so may be his entry was not transcribed or he just wasn't > Christened. All at Bridgnorth. > > Regards, > > Irene. > > At 20:00 18/09/06, you wrote: > >Hello all, > >Many thanks to Graham Price for his advice re St. Mary Magdalene, > >Bridgnorth registers. I have searched through LDS family history library > >films for christenings but my ancestors were baptised before > >1813-1914. Also marriages before 1813. I think that trying to find the > >right John Gittos and Elizabeth Malpas and all their children is not going > >to be as easy as I once thought. My main research is for Benjamin Gittos, > >who was transported to Australia in 1826. All records I have from the > >Archives state that his native place was Bridgnorth Shropshire. He was > >tried at Warwick Assizes in 1824. He also had a brother William Gittus > >who was sentenced on the same day at Warwick, but also came from > >Bridgnorth. Can someone please help with the Shropshire end of this > >saga? Gittos/Gittoes/Gittus are all the same I think. Both Benjamin and > >William died in Tasmania in the 1800s. I have everything relating to this > >end of their lives but not the beginning. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.12.4/449 - Release Date: 15/09/2006 > >

At 09:29 PM 9/09/2006, itsbally@hotmail.com wrote: >Hi >I'm looking for the family of Albert Bunn who was born in Newport >News, 1849. He is my Great Great Grandfather and was a sailor, he >died in Salford in 1889. Does anybody know anything about his >parents, family and upbringing etc as my census searches have so far >drawn a blank? Hello Jonathan Depending upon how and where you received your information, the following may be of interest to you: From the IGI records: Christening: Newport News 31 Dec 1846 Alfred Bunn, parents Mortimer Bunn & Charlotte. The census details may have misread your Alfred's date of birth, and in fact as folk grow older some forget anyway. Lord knows what was presented to the census taker! Not saying that this is your Alfred, but seems rather suspicious. You need to follow this up by checking further IGI births marriages, etc., and if possible obtaining the original microfilm records through the LDS folk at one of their family history libraries or a local record office. The original parish registers often have a way of eliminating, or at long last locating, what you are looking for. Good luck Graham Melbourne Oz

Dear Pam, I have checked the IGI for William Gittos 6/7/1804 and Benjamin Gittos b 1808 parents Edward Gittos and Mary Ann Piggot. The following facts confirm that this is not the family I am looking for. While William Gittos was christened on 22 May 1805, Bridgnorth, Shropshire, he actually DIED in 1843 aged 38 years as per IGI information I have. The William I am researching who was transported to Tasmania died on the 28th September 1840 at a little town called Macquarie Plain in Tasmania aged 36 years. Likewise Benjamin (son of Edward Gittos and Mary Ann Piggott) born 1808 Bridgnorth Shropshire DIED 6th August 1884 aged 76 years according to the IGI. Benjamin Gittus who I claim to be my g.g. grandfather died on 7 January 1891 aged 83 at Macquarie Plains, Tasmania. I know this puts their birth dates at around 1808 for Benjamin and William 1804 but neither could read or write and they probably had a very strong accent which made them hard to understand. Also maybe they did not reveal their real age because they simply did not know. Many folk who were ignorant did not give all personal information when requested to do so. This has been evident in convict families here in Australia as it was looked "down upon" by their descendents to "dig into the past" and to some extent it still is by some! Thanks heaps for all your help and comments so far, keep them coming as you seem to have had lots of experience in this researching activity. Regards, Kathleen. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam Craven" <pamcraven@mynow.co.uk> To: <eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 7:05 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-SHROP] (ENG-SHROP) Gittos family name > If you go to the following site you will find that Benjamin Gittus, was > tried for theft in Birmingham aged 15 in 1824 at Warwick and was acquitted. > This means he was b 1809 not 1801? > > http://www.warwickshire.gov.uk/corporate%5Cprisoner.nsf/AllDocs/C761518B83D9 > D75980256E4A0043A0F4?opendocument > > The only others I can find are > > James Gittens 6 mth in Goal in 1813 > William Gittens Acquitted in 1820 > Benjamin above aged 15 Acquitted > Wlater Gittens aged 25 in 1894 case Discharged > > None of the Warwick cases show that they were transported? > > Here is main page if you want to search further > > http://www.warwickshire.gov.uk/Web/corporate/pages.nsf/Links/6022586A99937FF > A80256ED9005765AF > > Are we looking for the right family? > > ON IGI someone has put into LDS a William Gittos 6/7/1804 and Benjamin > Gittos b 1808 parents Edward Gittos and Many Ann Piggot > > This Edward and Mary married Astley Abbots 19/4/1790 ref M032181 > > > Regards Pam > > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-shropshire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-shropshire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Irene M. > Fullarton > Sent: 19 September 2006 23:38 > To: eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-SHROP] (ENG-SHROP) Gittos family name > > Hi Kathleen, > > Not sure if this helps but John mar. Mary Malpas 13.12.1795. > > Children Miria c. 22.3.1797, Mianna c. 30.1.1799, twins Benjamin and Anne b. > 9.12.1801 c. 14.3.1802, Sarah b. 13.1.1805 c. 15.2.1805, James b. > 8.5.1810 c. 13.5.1810 and Samuel c. 17.5.1816. Sorry no William but this is > from the IGI so may be his entry was not transcribed or he just wasn't > Christened. All at Bridgnorth. > > Regards, > > Irene. > > At 20:00 18/09/06, you wrote: > >Hello all, > >Many thanks to Graham Price for his advice re St. Mary Magdalene, > >Bridgnorth registers. I have searched through LDS family history > >library films for christenings but my ancestors were baptised before > >1813-1914. Also marriages before 1813. I think that trying to find > >the right John Gittos and Elizabeth Malpas and all their children is > >not going to be as easy as I once thought. My main research is for > >Benjamin Gittos, who was transported to Australia in 1826. All records > >I have from the Archives state that his native place was Bridgnorth > >Shropshire. He was tried at Warwick Assizes in 1824. He also had a > >brother William Gittus who was sentenced on the same day at Warwick, > >but also came from Bridgnorth. Can someone please help with the > >Shropshire end of this saga? Gittos/Gittoes/Gittus are all the same I > >think. Both Benjamin and William died in Tasmania in the 1800s. I > >have everything relating to this end of their lives but not the beginning. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.12.4/449 - Release Date: 15/09/2006 > >

At 02:38 PM 7/09/2006, Connie Wright wrote: >Hello, > This is my first time here. A friend suggested this might help. > I'm looking for Thomas William Booth (or maybe William Thomas > Booth) born about 1770-1780. > I only have family stories to go on. > This is what my 94 year old aunt said: > "Thomas William Booth was a methodist minister and gentleman farmer. Hello Connie Not an easy on, this. There are about 10 Thomas Booth christenings on the IGI around this period for Shropshire, could be any one of them. I am sure that your 94 year old aunt is correct in her story. These stories usually have a great element of truth about them. What to do? Best thing I think is to contact the Methodist folk. If you go to this website: http://www.methodist.org.uk/index.cfm?fuseaction=links.azname#MethSoc which is a page out of the main directory, you can see what Methodist organizations you can contact. Actually, the Manchester one might be a good idea in which to start with. Could lead to others. We do have, in our State Library here biographical microfiche of Methodist ministers and lay persons, but I am unable to ascertain from the catalogue at present online as to what year they commenced. I suspect it would have been later in the 1800s though, but next trip into the library I could look and see if I can find your Thomas William Booth. Let me know. Cherrio Graham Melbourne Oz

I have thought this to be the case for some time, but have felt a little in the dark about the Worcester connection. Fair enough thoughts about the folk moving around freely. This was my main stumbling block as I feel all the other dates etc. match up. I feel that sometimes on the convict records, the "scribes" would not only spell the names incorrectly but perhaps also they entered an incorrect age (not their fault but perhaps the convict failed to give his correct age in the first place - most likely to avoid being transported). I am still digging. Many thanks for your suggestions Jo. Regards, Kathleen----- Original Message ----- From: "2twigs3" <2twigs3@dsl.pipex.com> To: <eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-SHROP] Gittos family name > Had a quick look at the IGI and there is a marriage for John Gittos & > Elizabeth Malpas, Bridgnorth 1795. M037341. > Benjamin Gittos born 1801, christened 1802, parents John Gittos & Elizabeth. > Theres a William Gittus christened 1801 in Worcester, parents John Gittus & > Elizabeth. > Worcester borders on parts of Shropshire. > Just makes one wonder. > Jo. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.12.4/449 - Release Date: 15/09/2006 > >