Not sure about the reconstruction bit Keith. Church Street has had some attention particularly one of the shuts that were passageways down to the town walls now non existant. Local businesses and the Borough Council have done a really good job on this passageway it certainly has a variety of small, thriving, commercial ventures which have been tastefully incorporated and is a joy to walk down. It is good to see that here at least we buck the trend set in the rest of the country where big is deemed to be beautiful. Willow Street itself is a mixed bag of offices such as solicitors including my own(always keep one on tap just in case!), dentist, optician,a few restaurants and the obligatory charity shop, oh and of course several pubs, where I am told a good Saturday night is to be had as long as the tribes don't come down from the hills or from other more so called civilised places. Most of the commercial premises are at the lower end of Willow Street near to The Cross. I am glad to say that there is in Willow Street, still architecture, that harks back to a previous age including the 1800s if the date inscriptions on buildings are anything to go by. But shush, don't tell John Prescott otherwise he will have the bulldozers in before you can heritage. Regards Leon from Oswestry KEITH ROBERTS <skrimhe@btinternet.com> wrote: I don`t live in Oswestry Derek, but I know a Great Great Grandfather that did!! Willow Street is certainly very much `still there` as it underwent a large reconstruction package of work last year and it is a mixture of nice shops, restaurants of all cultures, professional offices, and doctors surgeries etc. Keith Roberts derek lambert wrote: Hello, I have a photo taken by L.E.Morris of Willow Street, Oswestry around 1900. If there is a lister who lives in, or visits the town, could they say if Willow street is still in being and if so, is it a shopping or residential area. Thanks, Derek. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Keith Roberts - Colwyn Bay, N. Wales. *~~~~~*~~~~~*~~~~~*~~~~~*~~~~~*~~~~~* www.tribalpages/tribes/kr2877 www.byegones.co.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

At 02:13 AM 11/10/2006, you wrote: >Have been reading with interest the posts regarding Bickley and Davies. I >have a Samuel Bickley on the 1841 census in Hordley, ...Malster, aged 40, >living with his wife Mary (Dodd) age 40. This Samuel Bickley witnessed the >death of my grgrgrgrandmother, Martha Parry (Dodd) in 1872, in Tetchill, >Ellesmere. I am enquiring whether Joseph, mentioned in past posts, might be >a brother to Samuel. Hello Brenda The sad thing is that the Ellesmere St. Mary parish records were not transcribed by the Shropshire Parish Record Society, but the good news is that they are on the IGI and also I have had the good fortune to have been able to transcribe Bickley baptisms, burials and marriages, so should, hopefully, be able to answer part of your question. This would almost certainly appear to be the family: Baptisms at St. Mary Ellesmere 28 April 1896, born 12 Apr, Joseph s/o Robert & Martha Bickley of Ellesmere 11 Jan 1899, born 10 Sep 1898, Samuel s/o Andrew & Margaret Bickley of Ellesmere 4 May 1800, born 26 Apr, Martha d/o Robert & Martha Bickley of Ellesmere 2 Jan 1801, born 9 Nov 1800, Hannah Maria d/o Andrew & Margaret Bickley of Ellesmere 21 Apr 1802, born 6 Apr, Sarah d/o Robert & Martha Bickley of Ellesmere 24 Jun 1803, born Jan 25, Andrew s/o Robert & Martha Bickley of Ellesmere 1 Jan 1809, born 9 Nov 1807, Sarah d/o Andrew & Margaret Bickley of Ellesmere T'would appear that Samuel and Joseph may have been first cousins. As you can see the names at baptisms are rather interchanged between the two families, so they were certainly close. I would tend to consider that Andrew and Robert were brothers. Unfortunately the St. Mary Ellesmere parish records do not allow a tie up between Joseph & Samuel in baptisms, so other close parishes or the chapelries of Ellesmere would need to be researched to find the connection. I am sure there is a connection. Perhaps there might be some clues on the IGI. I have not followed this up, perhaps you might. Earlier records of St. Mary Ellesmere reveal two other families from the 1750s - John & Mary Bickley of Hardwick, John & Margaret Bickley of Cockshut, (could be the same as Mary and Margt sometimes scroll much the same in old writings) and Andrew & Elizabeth Bickley of Cockshutt, also a Phillip & Catherine of Ellesmere. The following may be of use: Marriages, St. Mary Ellesmere: p20/81 Thomas Bickley of Hordley & Mary Jones (X) both otp by banns 5 Feb 1787. Witnesses John Reeves (X) and Wm. Gough. Ceremony by John Breck, vicar. Gough was a churchwarden so probably nothing to do with the family. The Bickley folk, in general, did not seem to choose St. Mary, Ellesmere as their main church for marriages, though there were plenty of baptisms there in the later years after the turn of the century. Cherrio Graham Melbourne Oz

I am new to the list. I have discovered that some of my wifes family ancestors originated in various parts of SHROPSHIRE and I am specifically interested in the HALDING (variously ALDING, HALLDING, WALLDING) and LLOYD members. She had family members in the ASTLEY ABBOTS area of BRIDGENORTH and as far as I can determine, LLOYD members in the PONTESBURY area. The family were very committed to Non-Conformism as best I can tell and I have found quite a bit of information through the SHROPSHIRE FHS and the Archive Unit at SHREWSBURY. My greatest difficulty lies in reading the transcripts of ASTLEY ABBOTS BMD Registers and the almost illegible microfilm. I have also had some difficulty in tracing the family details of MARY HALDING (variously shown as ALDING and WALLDING) nee LLOYD who was born circa 1802 PONTESBURY and married WILLIAM HALDING (born around 1795 at ASTLEY ABBOTS) circa 1820 in BRIDGENORTH. Does anyone have any thoughts on the Non-Conformist route for further investigation. Kind regards Mike Say -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.2/471 - Release Date: 10/10/2006

At 03:45 AM 11/10/2006, Petchey432@aol.com wrote: >Hi Toni, the address is listed twice, Try this _http://www.lan-opc.org.uk_ >(http://www.lan-opc.org.uk) It worked for me. Doreen Yes, seems they are doubled up, but not shown as such on the original sending email. One wonders why that is? Also, I note, that when replying to Shropshire mails, the eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com comes up twice in the To: line, so that I have to delete one before sending the email out. Just of interest. Cherrio Graham

Hello Mike, I have LLOYD in my tree. Please let me know if you have a Humphrey LLOYD c 1772, married an Elizabeth BARKLEY. Regards, Marjorie Lloyd Thompson

I don`t live in Oswestry Derek, but I know a Great Great Grandfather that did!! Willow Street is certainly very much `still there` as it underwent a large reconstruction package of work last year and it is a mixture of nice shops, restaurants of all cultures, professional offices, and doctors surgeries etc. Keith Roberts derek lambert <dereks@rokerman.ndo.co.uk> wrote: Hello, I have a photo taken by L.E.Morris of Willow Street, Oswestry around 1900. If there is a lister who lives in, or visits the town, could they say if Willow street is still in being and if so, is it a shopping or residential area. Thanks, Derek. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Keith Roberts - Colwyn Bay, N. Wales. *~~~~~*~~~~~*~~~~~*~~~~~*~~~~~*~~~~~* www.tribalpages/tribes/kr2877 www.byegones.co.uk

Hi Graham. Many thanks for all your time and effort regarding the Bickley families. I have printed off the information to take back to Nova Scotia after having spent a wonderful 2 weeks in Shropshire with my friends. They will keep an eye on the Shropshire list and pass on any more information to me. I hope one day to tie up the Bickley's with the Dodds. Thank you again. Brenda. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Price" <genetree@pacific.net.au> To: <eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-SHROP] BICKLEY & DAVIES Hordley & Ellesmere. > At 02:13 AM 11/10/2006, you wrote: >>Have been reading with interest the posts regarding Bickley and Davies. I >>have a Samuel Bickley on the 1841 census in Hordley, ...Malster, aged 40, >>living with his wife Mary (Dodd) age 40. This Samuel Bickley witnessed the >>death of my grgrgrgrandmother, Martha Parry (Dodd) in 1872, in Tetchill, >>Ellesmere. I am enquiring whether Joseph, mentioned in past posts, might >>be >>a brother to Samuel. > > Hello Brenda > The sad thing is that the Ellesmere St. Mary parish records were not > transcribed by the Shropshire Parish Record Society, but the good > news is that they are on the IGI and also I have had the good fortune > to have been able to transcribe Bickley baptisms, burials and > marriages, so should, hopefully, be able to answer part of your > question. This would almost certainly appear to be the family: > > Baptisms at St. Mary Ellesmere > 28 April 1896, born 12 Apr, Joseph s/o Robert & Martha Bickley of > Ellesmere > 11 Jan 1899, born 10 Sep 1898, Samuel s/o Andrew & Margaret Bickley > of Ellesmere > 4 May 1800, born 26 Apr, Martha d/o Robert & Martha Bickley of Ellesmere > 2 Jan 1801, born 9 Nov 1800, Hannah Maria d/o Andrew & Margaret > Bickley of Ellesmere > 21 Apr 1802, born 6 Apr, Sarah d/o Robert & Martha Bickley of Ellesmere > 24 Jun 1803, born Jan 25, Andrew s/o Robert & Martha Bickley of Ellesmere > 1 Jan 1809, born 9 Nov 1807, Sarah d/o Andrew & Margaret Bickley of > Ellesmere > > T'would appear that Samuel and Joseph may have been first cousins. As > you can see the names at baptisms are rather interchanged between the > two families, so they were certainly close. I would tend to consider > that Andrew and Robert were brothers. Unfortunately the St. Mary > Ellesmere parish records do not allow a tie up between Joseph & > Samuel in baptisms, so other close parishes or the chapelries of > Ellesmere would need to be researched to find the connection. I am > sure there is a connection. Perhaps there might be some clues on the > IGI. I have not followed this up, perhaps you might. Earlier records > of St. Mary Ellesmere reveal two other families from the 1750s - John > & Mary Bickley of Hardwick, John & Margaret Bickley of Cockshut, > (could be the same as Mary and Margt sometimes scroll much the same > in old writings) and Andrew & Elizabeth Bickley of Cockshutt, also a > Phillip & Catherine of Ellesmere. > > The following may be of use: > Marriages, St. Mary Ellesmere: > p20/81 Thomas Bickley of Hordley & Mary Jones (X) both otp by banns 5 > Feb 1787. Witnesses John Reeves (X) and Wm. Gough. Ceremony by John > Breck, vicar. Gough was a churchwarden so probably nothing to do with > the family. > > The Bickley folk, in general, did not seem to choose St. Mary, > Ellesmere as their main church for marriages, though there were > plenty of baptisms there in the later years after the turn of the century. > > Cherrio > Graham > Melbourne > Oz > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi Martin While checking the IGI for possible Thomas CADMANs in Wombridge I noticed that 2 had a sister Martha. Have you seen the film with Martha's marriage? Sometimes it has father's name or witnesses to help in the search. Thomas CADMAN had a son Joseph, and I see from the 1851 census that Martha also had a son Joseph. On the IGI Joseph and Elizabeth had children Thomas and Martha. Please let me know if you find out more about Martha Barbara >Hi Martin > >IGI shows Martha CADMANs bap. in Wombridge which is only 4.5 miles from >Dawley? Doesn't the wedding certificate show her father this would give you >a clue if you have found the right one? > >Pam > >-----Original Message----- >Hi Keith, Many thanks for that. It throws up a birth in 1797 which could be >right and a marriage of possible parents in 1793. the interesting thing is, >the possible father John Cadman married a Jane Dangerfield and the daughter >Martha married a Joseph Dangerfield in Everton in 1823. The plot thickens. >very grateful for your advice and not an egg in site!. >Regards >Martin > > > > >>At 07:14 PM 8/10/2006, Martin Adams wrote: >> >> >>>Having seen Barbara's CADMAN request, it reminded me that I have a >>>Martha CADMAN born around 1801 in Dawley. I have her wedding and >>>subsequent details but nothing about her actual date of birth or parents. >>> >>>

Thanks for that Jo. I agree, everything I send to reply only as opposed to reply all seems to appear on the list! Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "2twigs3" <2twigs3@dsl.pipex.com> To: <eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 6:51 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-SHROP] CADMAN > Hello Martin, > Off list as only one bod from Shropshire. (difficult to tell whats off > list > now as the new format in use) > Liverpool 1851 census index. > (very few Cadman, non born Shropshire). > Do not think will be much use, but never know. > > DANGERFIELD: > Elizabeth 21, born Gloucestershire?, 113a. 2191/1 > George 21, Dock labourer, born Gloucestershire?, 113a as above. > Sarah, no age shown, General Servant, born Shropshire, 309a 2183/2 > John, no age shown, Slater Plasterer, born Liverpool, 309 as above. > > Jo. May get back to my Liverpool lot one day. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi all I am indebted to Carol Thomas for reminding me of this facility which commenced in 2000. The online parish registers clerks are not clerks of the original parish, but are folk of today who take on the responsibility of a certain parish and make available transcriptions, downloads, etc. for that parish. Unfortunately Shropshire is not yet among these, but knowing how our folk spread far and wide, these websites for online parish clerks may be useful to some. Cornwall <http://west-penwith.org.uk/opc.htm>http://west-penwith.org.uk/opc.htm Devon <http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/genuki/DEV/OPCproject.html>http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/genuki/DEV/OPCproject.html Dorset <http://www.dorset-opc.com/>http://www.dorset-opc.com/ Lancashire <http://www.lan-opc.org.uk>http://www.lan-opc.org.uk Sussex <http://www.sussex-opc.org/>http://www.sussex-opc.org/ Wiltshire <http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.brown6666/wiltsopc/index.htm>http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.brown6666/wiltsopc/index.htm Good hunting Graham Melbourne Oz

Hello Martin, Off list as only one bod from Shropshire. (difficult to tell whats off list now as the new format in use) Liverpool 1851 census index. (very few Cadman, non born Shropshire). Do not think will be much use, but never know. DANGERFIELD: Elizabeth 21, born Gloucestershire?, 113a. 2191/1 George 21, Dock labourer, born Gloucestershire?, 113a as above. Sarah, no age shown, General Servant, born Shropshire, 309a 2183/2 John, no age shown, Slater Plasterer, born Liverpool, 309 as above. Jo. May get back to my Liverpool lot one day.

Hello, I have a photo taken by L.E.Morris of Willow Street, Oswestry around 1900. If there is a lister who lives in, or visits the town, could they say if Willow street is still in being and if so, is it a shopping or residential area. Thanks, Derek.

Hi Barbara I have not seen the film (yet). she was married at St Georges' Everton so I will pursue there I think. Martin Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Cocker" <cockertoo@iinet.net.au> To: <eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 3:42 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-SHROP] CADMAN > Hi Martin > > While checking the IGI for possible Thomas CADMANs in Wombridge I > noticed that 2 had a sister Martha. Have you seen the film with Martha's > marriage? Sometimes it has father's name or witnesses to help in the > search. Thomas CADMAN had a son Joseph, and I see from the 1851 census > that Martha also had a son Joseph. On the IGI Joseph and Elizabeth had > children Thomas and Martha. Please let me know if you find out more > about Martha > > Barbara > >>Hi Martin >> >>IGI shows Martha CADMANs bap. in Wombridge which is only 4.5 miles from >>Dawley? Doesn't the wedding certificate show her father this would give >>you >>a clue if you have found the right one? >> >>Pam >> >>-----Original Message----- >>Hi Keith, Many thanks for that. It throws up a birth in 1797 which could >>be >>right and a marriage of possible parents in 1793. the interesting thing >>is, >>the possible father John Cadman married a Jane Dangerfield and the >>daughter >>Martha married a Joseph Dangerfield in Everton in 1823. The plot thickens. >>very grateful for your advice and not an egg in site!. >>Regards >>Martin >> >> >> >> >>>At 07:14 PM 8/10/2006, Martin Adams wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Having seen Barbara's CADMAN request, it reminded me that I have a >>>>Martha CADMAN born around 1801 in Dawley. I have her wedding and >>>>subsequent details but nothing about her actual date of birth or >>>>parents. >>>> >>>> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Have been reading with interest the posts regarding Bickley and Davies. I have a Samuel Bickley on the 1841 census in Hordley, ...Malster, aged 40, living with his wife Mary (Dodd) age 40. This Samuel Bickley witnessed the death of my grgrgrgrandmother, Martha Parry (Dodd) in 1872, in Tetchill, Ellesmere. I am enquiring whether Joseph, mentioned in past posts, might be a brother to Samuel. Has your research uncovered any siblings for Joseph or if there is any relationship to the Dodd/Parry family in your Bickley research. The Dodds and Parry's lived in the Hordley, Bagley, Yeaton and Tetchill areas. Kind Regards, Brenda

----- Original Message ----- From: <Petchey432@aol.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-SHROP] Online Parish Clerks > Hi Toni, the address is listed twice, Try this _http://www.lan-opc.org.uk_ > (http://www.lan-opc.org.uk) It worked for me. Doreen Cheers Doreen. Works well. Toni ~ Ontario

Hi Toni, the address is listed twice, Try this _http://www.lan-opc.org.uk_ (http://www.lan-opc.org.uk) It worked for me. Doreen

----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Price" Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 5:03 AM Subject: [ENG-SHROP] Online Parish Clerks > these websites for online parish clerks may be useful to some. > Lancashire > <http://www.lan-opc.org.uk>http://www.lan-opc.org.uk This one appears to be a dead end .. keep getting "page cannot be displayed" Toni ~ Ontario

Hi Pam, Unfortunately the wedding was in 1823, so no certificate I'm afraid. Regards Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam Craven" <pamcraven@mynow.co.uk> To: <eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 11:32 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-SHROP] CADMAN > Hi Martin > > IGI shows Martha CADMANs bap. in Wombridge which is only 4.5 miles from > Dawley? Doesn't the wedding certificate show her father this would give > you > a clue if you have found the right one? > > Pam > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-shropshire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-shropshire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Martin > Adams > Sent: 09 October 2006 17:17 > To: eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-SHROP] CADMAN > > Hi Graham, You have been helpful to me in the past and I certainly take on > board what you say. Certainly something to think about as I am now pushing > my way back on all sides of the family pre-1838. I live in Suffolk so my > Essex mob are not too difficult, but Black Country and Shropshire are > proving a little more difficult. > regards. > Martin > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Price" <genetree@pacific.net.au> > To: <eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 10:04 AM > Subject: Re: [ENG-SHROP] CADMAN > > >> At 07:14 PM 8/10/2006, Martin Adams wrote: >>>Having seen Barbara's CADMAN request, it reminded me that I have a >>>Martha CADMAN born around 1801 in Dawley. I have her wedding and >>>subsequent details but nothing about her actual date of birth or parents. >> >> Hi >> Again, as my dear old list friend Keith Roberts says not trying to >> teach grandmothers to suck eggs, but if you go to Hugh Wallis' >> website and type in Cadman for Dawley, up comes a Martha Cadman >> christened 1797, which is soooooooo close. Could be, eh? Otherwise >> yours may have been baptized at another parish very close by. >> >> Also, I don't want to keep harping on this to the list lest I be seen >> as an advertiser or pusher or some such, but LDS at their local FH >> libraries scattered throughout the world in various towns do allow >> you to order in at their local libraries the original copies of >> parish registers and also Bishops Transcripts on microfilm for a very >> small fee; in Australia it is a mere $5, which is probably only about >> $3 in the US and Canada. That is an amazing low cost for a whole or >> part parish register. Which means that you can really get your teeth >> absolutely into family history research and do it all by yourself >> (with exciting results) at long last and not rely upon others. My >> advice, do it yourself if you can, it is more exhilarating that >> way. I am still gob-smacked after all these years why more people >> don't take up this offering. After all, you are then looking at >> original registers!!! Where else are you going to get them unless you >> live on the spot or are geographically close to the particular record >> office? Here are the original baptisms, marriages, burials etc. >> written in hand by the local vicar or the curate (mind you, vicars >> often stood back and let the several curates do the work unless >> someone of a fair importance to the parish was being married or >> buried, let alone baptisms). >> >> Re. my experience, I have had so many parish registers and Bishop >> Transcripts viewed on microfilm since 1994 at the local LDS FH >> library in my suburb and which have brought me so much success so >> that why would I not promote this way of researching? (And no, they >> don't check your religion or lack of it! It is a library, enough >> said.) I guess, as an estimate at this present time in 2006, I have >> had close to 200 microfilms viewed since 1994, and only a very small >> handful, perhaps less than 10, though I think it was really only >> around about 6, have failed to give me what I was looking for. That, >> surely, is a magnificent result over all those years. Perhaps that is >> the main reason why my computer database of connected family >> relatives has risen from 250 in 1994 to over 4000 in 2006? I feel I >> have to share this with you. Back in 1994 an LDS family history >> researcher said to me that she had over ten thousand on her computer >> database, all connected folk in her family tree. To be honest, at the >> time I smiled and said nothing, thinking this was foolishness. Then >> as the years unfolded and I myself found living members of my family >> tree, I too began to add in persons/families 40 or 50 at a time, then >> I found a marriage in 1863 that linked two of my family branches >> together, all perfectly certified by marriage certificate etc., and >> because of this marriage there was added almost 200 folks dead and >> living to my computer database in one fell swoop from a distant >> cousin. Of course it all had to be proved out, which it was. But just >> goes to show you how things can easily escalate in family history >> research. >> >> BUT again, one must always remember that one must know what one is >> looking for re. parish records and it is necessary to look in the >> right place. So just ordering a microfilm in case it MIGHT contain >> something of worth to you is not necessarily the correct thing to do. >> You have to pin things down to the very parish, the very village if >> necessary. In many cases the IGI, the BVR disks and the Free BMD will >> do this for you, but not always. >> >> So, ask for help. That's wot we are here for. To help. Do it. >> Cherrio >> Graham >> Melbourne >> Oz >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi Graham Thanks for your reply and suggestions. Yes there are several Thomas CADMAN's baptised in Wombridge and difficult to prove which one. I have ordered the film for Wombridge and I'm hoping that it might help sort them out. There are also 2 deaths on FreeBMD in 1838/39 - the burials might also be on this film. regards Barbara >At 03:25 PM 8/10/2006, Barbara Cocker wrote: > > >>I am searching for members of the CADMAN and PICKING families >> >>Thomas CADMAN( b ~ 1795, maybe in Wombridge or Shifnal) married prudence >>PICKING (b 1799 Oakengates/Wombridge) in Shifnal in 1818. >> >> > >Hi Barbara >Just wondering if this is your Thomas: >CADMAN, Thomas Christening > Gender: Male > Christening Date: 5 Jun 1796 Recorded >in: Wombridge, Shropshire, England > Father: Thomas CADMAN > Mother: Elenor >Source: FHL Film Dates: 1782 - 1812 > >But then, more likely to be the following because the mother's name >is Sarah and they had a Joseph as well: >CADMAN, Thomas Christening > Gender: Male > Christening Date: 15 Jul 1798 Recorded >in: Wombridge, Shropshire, England > Father: James CADMAN > Mother: Sarah >Source: FHL Film Dates: 1782 - 1812 > >There are a couple of other Thomas Cadmans being christened to >different parents in these times at Wombridge so it is a mite >confusing. Your best idea would be to get hold of the original >records, available on microfilm through the LDS folk at one of their >Family History Libraries, and check out all of these families - you >could have a lovely time!! You could also possibly eliminate a >Thomas or two if any of them died in infancy or early childhood. That >would certainly narrow your field. I have found that early burials >have answered my queries more than once. There are baptism and burial >details available on microfilm British Film No. 510685 for the times >you require, some years missing, also Bishops Transcripts available from 1799. > >Good luck >Graham > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Hi Martin IGI shows Martha CADMANs bap. in Wombridge which is only 4.5 miles from Dawley? Doesn't the wedding certificate show her father this would give you a clue if you have found the right one? Pam -----Original Message----- From: eng-shropshire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-shropshire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Martin Adams Sent: 09 October 2006 17:17 To: eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-SHROP] CADMAN Hi Graham, You have been helpful to me in the past and I certainly take on board what you say. Certainly something to think about as I am now pushing my way back on all sides of the family pre-1838. I live in Suffolk so my Essex mob are not too difficult, but Black Country and Shropshire are proving a little more difficult. regards. Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Price" <genetree@pacific.net.au> To: <eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-SHROP] CADMAN > At 07:14 PM 8/10/2006, Martin Adams wrote: >>Having seen Barbara's CADMAN request, it reminded me that I have a >>Martha CADMAN born around 1801 in Dawley. I have her wedding and >>subsequent details but nothing about her actual date of birth or parents. > > Hi > Again, as my dear old list friend Keith Roberts says not trying to > teach grandmothers to suck eggs, but if you go to Hugh Wallis' > website and type in Cadman for Dawley, up comes a Martha Cadman > christened 1797, which is soooooooo close. Could be, eh? Otherwise > yours may have been baptized at another parish very close by. > > Also, I don't want to keep harping on this to the list lest I be seen > as an advertiser or pusher or some such, but LDS at their local FH > libraries scattered throughout the world in various towns do allow > you to order in at their local libraries the original copies of > parish registers and also Bishops Transcripts on microfilm for a very > small fee; in Australia it is a mere $5, which is probably only about > $3 in the US and Canada. That is an amazing low cost for a whole or > part parish register. Which means that you can really get your teeth > absolutely into family history research and do it all by yourself > (with exciting results) at long last and not rely upon others. My > advice, do it yourself if you can, it is more exhilarating that > way. I am still gob-smacked after all these years why more people > don't take up this offering. After all, you are then looking at > original registers!!! Where else are you going to get them unless you > live on the spot or are geographically close to the particular record > office? Here are the original baptisms, marriages, burials etc. > written in hand by the local vicar or the curate (mind you, vicars > often stood back and let the several curates do the work unless > someone of a fair importance to the parish was being married or > buried, let alone baptisms). > > Re. my experience, I have had so many parish registers and Bishop > Transcripts viewed on microfilm since 1994 at the local LDS FH > library in my suburb and which have brought me so much success so > that why would I not promote this way of researching? (And no, they > don't check your religion or lack of it! It is a library, enough > said.) I guess, as an estimate at this present time in 2006, I have > had close to 200 microfilms viewed since 1994, and only a very small > handful, perhaps less than 10, though I think it was really only > around about 6, have failed to give me what I was looking for. That, > surely, is a magnificent result over all those years. Perhaps that is > the main reason why my computer database of connected family > relatives has risen from 250 in 1994 to over 4000 in 2006? I feel I > have to share this with you. Back in 1994 an LDS family history > researcher said to me that she had over ten thousand on her computer > database, all connected folk in her family tree. To be honest, at the > time I smiled and said nothing, thinking this was foolishness. Then > as the years unfolded and I myself found living members of my family > tree, I too began to add in persons/families 40 or 50 at a time, then > I found a marriage in 1863 that linked two of my family branches > together, all perfectly certified by marriage certificate etc., and > because of this marriage there was added almost 200 folks dead and > living to my computer database in one fell swoop from a distant > cousin. Of course it all had to be proved out, which it was. But just > goes to show you how things can easily escalate in family history > research. > > BUT again, one must always remember that one must know what one is > looking for re. parish records and it is necessary to look in the > right place. So just ordering a microfilm in case it MIGHT contain > something of worth to you is not necessarily the correct thing to do. > You have to pin things down to the very parish, the very village if > necessary. In many cases the IGI, the BVR disks and the Free BMD will > do this for you, but not always. > > So, ask for help. That's wot we are here for. To help. Do it. > Cherrio > Graham > Melbourne > Oz > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message