At 06:48 PM 14/10/2006, you wrote: >I have been sent a photo which l am told was taken in the 1870s. >The only writing on it is the photographers name Stanley Hurst >Shrewsbury and Wrexham. >l have looked at the 1871, 1881 and 1901 census and cant find any >sign of the photographer. I have a number of old photos taken by Stanley Hurst, though these are 1898 to 1910 and were probably taken in Wrexham. On the back is printed: Stanley Hurst Studios: 26 Castle St., Shrewsbury, 3a High St., Wrexham. Cheers Graham

Sounds like he could be Florence's father. How would I find his marriage to emma Powell? Many thanks Elizabeth

That is her. Is there any way to get a copy of her birth registration? Cheers, Elizabeth

Hi Catherine In 1965 the incumbent of Alberbury initiated a programme for having the old graveyard cleared and in 1970 after being ratified by the Hereford Consistory Court, the tombstones were removed. A local contractor, working in early winter, "bulldozed" the yard. He sought help from the church members to place the tombstones upright in a safe area but the help was not forthcoming, so he offered most of the head-stones to local farmers who used them as pavings and as ramps for their animals. My great-great-great grandparents, Thomas & Martha Peate's headstones, ended up as a ramp for pigs and cattle to thunder over. One farmer took 24 of them to make a ramp for his animals. Needless to say, when I first came upon this little bit of history, I was very upset. Regards Graham PS. These were the headstones from the graveyard that was closed in 1862, so there are most likely tombstones, etc. from that date still standing in the new graveyard.

Hello all, posting my interests DRURY Selattyn, St Martins, Oswestry, West Felton, Whittington, also Liverpool/Wirral and Kensington London. THOMAS. Alberbury, Ruyton XI Towns, also Liverpool BLAIR Welshpool 1880+ BRISCOE Shrewsbury, Alberbury JONES. (edward m Margaret LEWIS 1886) poss. son of Edward JONES b 1832 Great Ness. LEWIS Selattyn, Whittington, New Marton, Ellesmere 1840+ MANSELL Oswestry dist (or Maybe Jones-Mansell ??) POYNTON St Martins 1830+ PRICE 1842 + Selattyn, Gobowen, Whittington, St Martins WILLIAMS Selattyn, St Martins Anyone interested or Connected ? these are my tribalpages http://www1.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=drury&view=9&rand=139202488 Regards Catherine in Cheshire

I have a reference to a Probert of Shrewsbury. Although I don't know his Christian name he was the the Agent of the Earl of Powis and resided at Copthorne House Shrewsbury. He was made a burgess of Oswestry in 1790 and mayor in 1791, elected alderman in 1814 and died in 1825.Probert handled a minor dispute between Oswestry Corporation and the Earl of Powis in 1771 regarding the height of the New gate in Oswestry. Apparently it was too low to accommodate the passage of carriages and because it was in a ruinous condition it was dangerous. The Mayor and Corporation of Oswestry sent the Earl of Powis a letter through Agent Mr Probert in which they ask it to be taken down and the gaol which was situated at Newgate to be removed to another place. The letter was signed by the following: John Mytton,Jno Lloyd, Nathl Jones,William Griffiths,Richard Jones,Thomas Jones,R Price,John Edwards,John Basnett,John Gregory,Jas Williams,Thos Rathbone,Nathl Price,Richd Maurice and John Evans. Eventually this was done. Part of the agreement that was arrived at included the building of stone pillars to indicate where the New Gate had once stood. They were to include Arms and the words "Toll Through" Only one was built and evidence of it can still be seen on the main street in Oswestry (Church Street) today. Back to the Gaol. Though I am not sure whether the Borough still hold the Corporation books of the time that include the records of prisoners being held at Newgate Gaol. If they do they contain records of prisoners, including women, being led from there to the pillory "there to be whipped till their backs be bloody." regards Leon.from Oswestry

Hi Graham I have a Mary Probert who married my Richard Jones on 10 Nov 1787 in Llansillin, Denbighshire. I do need confirmation of this, it is a while since I was researching this branch. Kind regards Shirley

Thanks Graham for the rather sad news, about the MI in Alberbury, looks like I won't need lots of sharp pencils. It has happened so often, it is now almost a surprise when the churchyard is still in tact. And I never know wether to be happy or sad when the memorials have been re-used as paths (eg. Holt denbs) or placed around the churchyard walls (eg. Malpas ches) but it has to be better than the complete disappearance ( eg. Worthenbury Flints) and that is just off the top of my head ! I think I will post my Shrops interests, to cheer myself up ;o) all the best Catherine on Threapwood, Cheshire (churchyard in tact) Hi Catherine In 1965 the incumbent of Alberbury initiated a programme for having the old graveyard cleared and in 1970 after being ratified by the Hereford Consistory Court, the tombstones were removed. A local contractor, working in early winter, "bulldozed" the yard. He sought help from the church members to place the tombstones upright in a safe area but the help was not forthcoming, so he offered most of the head-stones to local farmers who used them as pavings and as ramps for their animals. My great-great-great grandparents, Thomas & Martha Peate's headstones, ended up as a ramp for pigs and cattle to thunder over. One farmer took 24 of them to make a ramp for his animals. Needless to say, when I first came upon this little bit of history, I was very upset. Regards Graham

Hello all, I'm curious about the PROBERT family of Copthorne or Copthorn. The will of Thomas KYFFIN (d 1844), Land Surveyor of Park Issa, Oswestry (connected to my mysterious ROWLANDS/WILLIAMS family) includes these bequests: "to the said Charles Wilding my two pictures the one representing Abraham and Agar and the other Ahasuerus and Esther and also the two fancy portraits which I had from Copthorn" "To Thomas Newill of Welshpool my portrait of the late Mr Probert." "To my Goddaughter Charlotte Probert daughter of the said Mrs Holl One hundred pounds" Looking at the index of Powis Castle correspondence (Charles WILDING lived at theDairy there) held by the National Library of Wales, it appears that Thomas KYFFIN lived at Copthorn/e himself but was at Park Issa (Salop Road, Oswestry) from about 1825. This index also includes loads of correspondence from and to John PROBERT of Copthorn. The Powys government site at http://www.powys.gov.uk/index.php?id=975&L=0 also has this reference: M/Q/RA/42/F - Act: Articles of Agreement dated 7th May 1810 - 26th Dec 1814 Articles of Agreement between the Rt Hon. Edward Earl of Powys and John Probert of Copthorn, Salop (Lords of the Manor of Mochnant) and 18 others, (inc. Sir W W Wynn). Parish: Hirnant Lands Enclosed: Manor of Mochnant. Townships of Tre Fedw and Tre Lan. Map (1) and schedule. No scale indicated. Commissioner: Arthur Davies Surveyor: Thomas Kyffin As I have exactly zero chance of getting to Wales myself, I was wondering if anyone could enlighten us about the PROBERT family? They sound interesting! Many thanks, Loretta Melbourne, Australia

>>This is my first attempt at doing research in England. I am looking for my >>step grandmother Florence Cookson, born December 5, 1900 to Joseph >>Cookson and >>Emma Powell. I have found the family living in Uffington in the 1900 >>census >>but no other data. Could this be her? Florence May Cookson, Registered 1st Quarter 1901, Atcham 6a. 635 ? Esther

Sheila, Have you considered the possibility that the first two children, born 1851/2 and 1853/4, might be by a first wife of Edward JONES? She then died and after his second marriage in Oct 1855 to Elizabeth LEWIS he had the third and fourth children, Elizabeth & William, for whom you can find births in 1857 and 1860. The first two children, Maurice and Eleanor, would therefore have a different mother's name and might explain why you can't find them. In a census there would be no indication that they were by different mothers since they were all sons/daughters of the same father. Just a suggestion, Diana

Hi Sheila, By the way, what happened to the I before E except after C in Sheila!? Anyway, I had also picked out the Marriage that William gave you in the Llanfyllin reg district which of course is the correct district. There is also a birth date for Maurice Jones which looks good: 1852 A/M/J quarter Vol 11b page 258 Llanfyllin reg district. I looked for Eleanor but unfortunately there are some very very bad illegible pages around the right period so to be honest it may be impossible for you to locate it. Cheers, Keith Roberts. Keith Roberts - Colwyn Bay, N. Wales. *~~~~~*~~~~~*~~~~~*~~~~~*~~~~~*~~~~~* www.tribalpages.com/tribes/kr2877 www.byegones.co.uk

This is my first attempt at doing research in England. I am looking for my step grandmother Florence Cookson, born December 5, 1900 to Joseph Cookson and Emma Powell. I have found the family living in Uffington in the 1900 census but no other data. Any help tracing her family would be most appreciated. Elizabeth Canada

The only Marriage of an Edward Jones and an Elizabeth Lewis is in the Llanfyllin District of Montgomeryshire Oct Qtr 1855,Vol 11b page 469. Regards William Russell Jones Cefn Mawr Wrexham. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernard Conway" <bernard.conway@sympatico.ca> To: <ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 7:32 PM Subject: [ENG-SHROP] JONES/MORRIS > Hello List > I have just resubscribed to the list after several months off. > > I have run into a brick wall with my Morris/Jones lines.I have tried to > find > a marriage for Edward Jones born LLanrhaiadr 1819, and an Elizabeth Morris > born Llansillin 1820. > > I know Edward Jones was unmarried on the 1851 census and living in > Llanrhaiadr as a Farm Labourer. There is a good match for Elizabeth Morris > working as a Servant in Oswestry on the 1851 census. > > The two are married in 1861 with children and living in the "Commons" > Llanrhaiadr as follows: > > Edward Jones age 35 Labourer born llanrhaiadr Denbs > Elizabeth Jones age 35 born Llansillin, Denbs > Maurice Jones age 9 born Oswestry 1851/1852 > Eleonor Jones age 8 born Llanrhaiadr about 1853/4 > Elizabeth Jones age 2 born Llanrhaiadr,September 15 1857 > William Jones age 1 born Llanrhaiadr Denbigh March 13,1860. > > I have tried to get a birth certificate for Mourice Jones born Oswestry > about 1851/1852 but have had no success, I am beginning to think hwe may > have been born prior to his parents marriage. I have also tied to get a > marriage cert for Edward and Elizabeth giving the time frame between > 1851/1853, no luck. Eleoners birth in Llarhaiadr Denb is also not found. I > was successful in getting a birth certificate for both Elizabeth September > 1857 and William Jones March 1860 from Wewlshpool, which gives their > mothers > maiden name of Morris. > > Without a marriage certificate which will hopefully give me a name for the > father's of Edward Jones and Elizabeth morris I can not go back any > earlier. > > Any help or advice woulb be greatly appreciated. > > Kind regards > > Sheila Conway > Ontario, Canada. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I tried three Shrewsbury trade directories without success, then from a google found: "Engraved in black beneath photograph "Successor to Stanley Hurst. Hunter. Castle Street, Shrewsbury" for someone quoted as having lived 1877 to 1927. Bit difficult to get at fiche viewer at present to look at later directories, but maybe this will assist. Jo.

on 10/14/06 3:45 PM, KEITH ROBERTS at skrimhe@btinternet.com wrote: > Hi Sheila, > > By the way, what happened to the I before E except after C in Sheila!? > > Anyway, I had also picked out the Marriage that William gave you in the > Llanfyllin reg district which of course is the correct district. > There is also a birth date for Maurice Jones which looks good: > 1852 A/M/J quarter Vol 11b page 258 Llanfyllin reg district. > I looked for Eleanor but unfortunately there are some very very bad illegible > pages around the right period so to be honest it may be impossible for you to > locate it. > > Cheers, Keith Roberts. Hello Keith, Dont know what happenned to I before E except after C in my name, only excuse is that my Mom was "Welsh" and I was born in Ruabon and named after a neighbous child. I will send to Welshpool for the birth Certificate for Maurice which you so kindly sent me, Thank you. Thanks again Regards Sheila Conway

on 10/14/06 4:13 PM, Diana Trenchard at diana@trenchar.demon.co.uk wrote: > Sheila, > > Have you considered the possibility that the first two children, born > 1851/2 and 1853/4, might be by a first wife of Edward JONES? She then > died and after his second marriage in Oct 1855 to Elizabeth LEWIS he > had the third and fourth children, Elizabeth & William, for whom you > can find births in 1857 and 1860. The first two children, Maurice and > Eleanor, would therefore have a different mother's name and might > explain why you can't find them. In a census there would be no > indication that they were by different mothers since they were all > sons/daughters of the same father. Hello Diane, Thank you for your reply, I had not even considered another marriage but well worth me looking into the possibility. Regards Sheila Conway Ontario, Canada.

on 10/14/06 3:17 PM, William Russell Jones at williamjonesjonqms@supanet.com wrote: > The only Marriage of an Edward Jones and an Elizabeth Lewis is in the > Llanfyllin District of Montgomeryshire Oct Qtr 1855,Vol 11b page 469. > Hello William, Thank you for your information re the marriage of an Elizabeth Lewis and Edward Jones In the Llanfyllin area. I had discounted this due to the different surname of Lewis rather than Morris for Elizabeth. I will probably look into that one. My only other thought was as Elizabeth was living in Oswestry in 1851 they may have married there, now as Diane mentioned there is another possible theory that Elizabeth Morris could have been a second wife, and not the mother of Maurice Jones. Well worth the while looking into it. Regards Sheila Conway Ontario, Canada.

Hi Ellen Thanks for the advice l will send Brett an email. Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ellen Oakley" <ellen@mary-oakley.co.uk> To: <eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-SHROP] STANLEY HURST > Hello Andy > > Try Brett Payne on the Derbyshire list he is good with photos. > you can get him on bpayne@xtra.co.nz or pluepot@gmail.com > > Hope this helps. > Regards > Ellen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "samiun" <samiun@ntlworld.com> > To: <ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 9:48 AM > Subject: [ENG-SHROP] STANLEY HURST > > >>I have been sent a photo which l am told was taken in the 1870s. >> The only writing on it is the photographers name Stanley Hurst Shrewsbury >> and Wrexham. >> l have looked at the 1871, 1881 and 1901 census and cant find any sign of >> the photographer. >> lf l can find when he was working then l can find when the picture was >> taken. >> Although l was told it was 1870s l think its much later. >> Any ideas about what l can do next would be appreciated. >> >> Andy (LEICESTER) >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello List I have just resubscribed to the list after several months off. I have run into a brick wall with my Morris/Jones lines.I have tried to find a marriage for Edward Jones born LLanrhaiadr 1819, and an Elizabeth Morris born Llansillin 1820. I know Edward Jones was unmarried on the 1851 census and living in Llanrhaiadr as a Farm Labourer. There is a good match for Elizabeth Morris working as a Servant in Oswestry on the 1851 census. The two are married in 1861 with children and living in the "Commons" Llanrhaiadr as follows: Edward Jones age 35 Labourer born llanrhaiadr Denbs Elizabeth Jones age 35 born Llansillin, Denbs Maurice Jones age 9 born Oswestry 1851/1852 Eleonor Jones age 8 born Llanrhaiadr about 1853/4 Elizabeth Jones age 2 born Llanrhaiadr,September 15 1857 William Jones age 1 born Llanrhaiadr Denbigh March 13,1860. I have tried to get a birth certificate for Mourice Jones born Oswestry about 1851/1852 but have had no success, I am beginning to think hwe may have been born prior to his parents marriage. I have also tied to get a marriage cert for Edward and Elizabeth giving the time frame between 1851/1853, no luck. Eleoners birth in Llarhaiadr Denb is also not found. I was successful in getting a birth certificate for both Elizabeth September 1857 and William Jones March 1860 from Wewlshpool, which gives their mothers maiden name of Morris. Without a marriage certificate which will hopefully give me a name for the father's of Edward Jones and Elizabeth morris I can not go back any earlier. Any help or advice woulb be greatly appreciated. Kind regards Sheila Conway Ontario, Canada.