I have attempted to find my Millington family on Ancestry.co.uk. Success for 1881 and 1901 but no trace in 1891. I know from parish register entries that they were living on Bausley Hill (Alberbury, Montgomeryshire) in 1891 as they were in 1901. Alberbury searched for Shropshire and Montgomershire. I've tried every wild card possible. Is there a section of the 1891 census missing from the 1891 census on ancestry ? I'm looking for (in 1891) Edward Millington, 44 Phoebe Millington, 41 Thomas Millington, 12 Elizabeth Millington, 6 (my grandmother) Arthur Millington, bap. 5 Apr 1891 and possibly others. Any help will be much appreciated. Roy Peaker

Have you contacted the person who runs a ONS for the surname Millington, throughout the world? Try millington@one-name.org Ross GH Cotton, Burlington ON CAN 905)639-2929 Genealogy of the COTTON surname is my Enigma. I haven't sent an attachment if the details are not mentioned above. Check out my Genealogy Web Page at www.skylinc.net/~rgcotton GOONS member responsible for tracking the family name COTTON, #1437 Coordinator for Cotton DNA testing Project, Worldwide, See http://home.comcast.net/~cottondna/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Roy Peaker To: eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 4:48 AM Subject: [ENG-SHROP] 1891 census : Missing entry ? I have attempted to find my Millington family on Ancestry.co.uk. Success for 1881 and 1901 but no trace in 1891. I know from parish register entries that they were living on Bausley Hill (Alberbury, Montgomeryshire) in 1891 as they were in 1901. Alberbury searched for Shropshire and Montgomershire. I've tried every wild card possible. Is there a section of the 1891 census missing from the 1891 census on ancestry ? I'm looking for (in 1891) Edward Millington, 44 Phoebe Millington, 41 Thomas Millington, 12 Elizabeth Millington, 6 (my grandmother) Arthur Millington, bap. 5 Apr 1891 and possibly others. Any help will be much appreciated. Roy Peaker ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 15/10/2006 18:36:55 GMT Standard Time, veneitamaynard@tiscali.co.uk writes: Hello Shirley I am researching the Jones family have you come across a John Jones born 1778 LIansantfraid Mother Margaret and Father John Children George .Margaret. Watkin ;Mary .Alis Regards Veneita Hi Veneita I do have a John Jones (of course) but not yours ~ sorry ~ good luck though. Kind regards Shirley

Hi Roy, I found them,hopefully though Edward was a little younger than you had him is this a case of male vanity? Edward Millington 40 agricultural labourer b.Melverley Shropshire Phoebe Millington 41 b.Trewern Montgomeryshire Thomas Millington 12 scholar b.Montford Shropshire John Millington 10 scholar b.Alberbury Shropshire Elizabeth Millington 6 b. Alberbury Richard Millington 4 b.Bauseley Shropshire James Millington 2 b.Bauseley Arthur Millington 1m b.Bauseley Reg.dis.Atcham sub.dis Alberbury Enum.dis 2 eccles dis Alberbury Parish Bauseley add. Bausley Hill, Bauseley I hope this helps. Carol Buchan

Hello Sheila Your person may well have been mentioned in the local newspapers. The Oswestry Library has a name index to the Oswestry & Border Counties Advertiser so that could help you. See http://www.shropshire.gov.uk/library.nsf/open/5FDAE21A8C5F294380256C990037C1F1 Mike ______________________________________________________ Bernard Conway wrote: > Hello List, > > Would there be a list or documentation of casualities in WW1 of residents > that lived in Oswestry Shropshire during that time, that I could look at. > > Regards > Sheila Conway > Ontario, Canada. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Hello List, Would there be a list or documentation of casualities in WW1 of residents that lived in Oswestry Shropshire during that time, that I could look at. Regards Sheila Conway Ontario, Canada.

on 10/15/06 4:20 PM, HyBarker@aol.com at HyBarker@aol.com wrote: > Have you noticed that there is a three generation sequence of Matthew Morris > JONES based on Bridgnorth and Claverley for the years 1750-1894. it was the > combination of the names MORRIS and JONES which made me relate it to your > quest. Matthew Morris JONES (No.2) married my 2xgaunt Elizabeth BLUNT at > Claverley in 1813. > > Cyril Hello Cyril, No I had not noticed the sequence of mathew Morris Jones in Bridgenorth and Clavery for the years 1750-1894. To the best of my knowledge my Morrs-Jones connections were based in either Llanrhaiadr Ym Mochnant , Llansilin Denbigh, or Oswestry Shropshire. Regards Regards Sheila Conway Ontario, Canada.

Hi Leon Bit wierd that, Newgate prison in Oswestry and Newgate prison in London! Wonder what the reason was for doing that? That will keep you up nights puzzling that out!!!! Cheers Graham

Hi Judy, I accept what you say, however in the case of Oswestry the gaol itself was actually part of a town gate which was called the New Gate. In the 17th century, over the gate were two rooms one was a guard room and the other used for the collection of tolls and tithes. Later one of these rooms was converted into a common gaol. Early maps show New Gate as being situated at the end of Church Street and the beginning of Cross Street also once known as Midle Street(the street between Church Street and Leg Street). In times past tolls were taken at the New Gate from buyers and sellers at fairs. This was usually imposed on folk living outside the town although inhabitants in certain townships outside the town were exempt from the yearly toll of four pence, a penny for each fair held. Oswestry once had four gates, New Gate, Willow Gate, Black Gate and Beatrice Gate corresponding to the four entrances to the town through the town walls.Little remains of these gates now nor of the town walls though evidence of the castle still remain. Best wishes Leon judy olsen <copywriter@tesco.net> wrote: But a "gate" is not always a gate, in fact in street names it is more likely to be a thoroughfare. Thus Cowgate, Canongate, Fishergate, Castlegate etc. Newgate would be a new route or gait. There are plenty of examples in Carlisle, York, Edinburgh and Jedburgh that I can think of, they all come from the Old English word for a 'way'. For example, Jedburgh and Edinburgh both have a Canongate leading to an Abbey. The two sorts of gate/gait do tend to get mixed up and confused. And to mix things up even further, the actual gates in town walls were often called Ports. Judy On 16 Oct 2006, at 07:26, LEON KNAPPER wrote: > Quite convenient really next to a major gateway easy to get > prisoners to from out of town. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

But a "gate" is not always a gate, in fact in street names it is more likely to be a thoroughfare. Thus Cowgate, Canongate, Fishergate, Castlegate etc. Newgate would be a new route or gait. There are plenty of examples in Carlisle, York, Edinburgh and Jedburgh that I can think of, they all come from the Old English word for a 'way'. For example, Jedburgh and Edinburgh both have a Canongate leading to an Abbey. The two sorts of gate/gait do tend to get mixed up and confused. And to mix things up even further, the actual gates in town walls were often called Ports. Judy On 16 Oct 2006, at 07:26, LEON KNAPPER wrote: > Quite convenient really next to a major gateway easy to get > prisoners to from out of town.

Hi Graham, I suppose that that was probably the best way of indicating the location of the gaol. Quite convenient really next to a major gateway easy to get prisoners to from out of town. What really interests me is how the justice system has changed in the last 200-300 years in this country, from severe punishment of offenders regardless of the offence to an almost supporting attitude, it seems, for crime and an almost total disregard for the victims of crime.Perhaps I am getting too cynical in my old age! I must try and find the Corporation prisoners books to cast a light on how the punishment system worked in the 1700s in Oswestry and see if I can find surnames that might, one day, be of interest to family historians. Have been to Canada this year Australia next stop. Will bring pictures of the "Green Inn". Best wishes Leon Graham Price <genetree@pacific.net.au> wrote: Hi Leon Bit wierd that, Newgate prison in Oswestry and Newgate prison in London! Wonder what the reason was for doing that? That will keep you up nights puzzling that out!!!! Cheers Graham ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hey, I have Poyntons of St. Martins. did we miss something over the years? Get back to me, Catherine. Graham At 07:14 PM 15/10/2006, Catherine Salt wrote: >Hello all, >posting my interests > >DRURY Selattyn, St Martins, Oswestry, West Felton, Whittington, also >Liverpool/Wirral and Kensington London. > >THOMAS. Alberbury, Ruyton XI Towns, also Liverpool > >BLAIR Welshpool 1880+ > >BRISCOE Shrewsbury, Alberbury > >JONES. (edward m Margaret LEWIS 1886) poss. son of Edward JONES b >1832 Great Ness. > >LEWIS Selattyn, Whittington, New Marton, Ellesmere 1840+ > >MANSELL Oswestry dist (or Maybe Jones-Mansell ??) > >POYNTON St Martins 1830+ > >PRICE 1842 + Selattyn, Gobowen, Whittington, St Martins > >WILLIAMS Selattyn, St Martins > >Anyone interested or Connected ? >these are my tribalpages >http://www1.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=drury&view=9&rand=139202488 > >Regards >Catherine in Cheshire > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Shirley I am researching the Jones family have you come across a John Jones born 1778 LIansantfraid Mother Margaret and Father John Children George .Margaret. Watkin ;Mary .Alis Regards Veneita ----- Original Message ----- From: <FrostSES@aol.com> To: <eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-SHROP] PROBERT of Copthorn(e) > Hi Graham > > I have a Mary Probert who married my Richard Jones on 10 Nov 1787 in > Llansillin, Denbighshire. I do need confirmation of this, it is a while > since I was > researching this branch. > > Kind regards > Shirley > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just trying to help a little more, if we can. Is this a possibility? Joseph Cookson, baptism 12 FEB 1865 Wroxeter, Shropshire, England. Many of the other Joseph Cooksons on the IGI were of Cheshire and some Lancashire, but there was also the surname COXON, which could fit. An interesting search for the results, no doubt. Cheers Graham Melbourne Oz

Have you noticed that there is a three generation sequence of Matthew Morris JONES based on Bridgnorth and Claverley for the years 1750-1894. it was the combination of the names MORRIS and JONES which made me relate it to your quest. Matthew Morris JONES (No.2) married my 2xgaunt Elizabeth BLUNT at Claverley in 1813. Cyril

This would certainly seem to be her birth registration, which would tell you where she was born. Births Mar Qtr 1901 COOKSON Florence May Atcham 6a 635 Atcham registration district includes Uffington. Cheers Graham

Hi Norman Petton registers, taken from the Bishops Transcripts are on the IGI from 1677 to 1862, but for some reason the marriages are only go up to 1834. Bishops Transcripts for 1810 to 1862 are available on microfilm through the LDS folk for viewing, FHL BRITISH Film No. 503515. These are also at the Shropshire Archives. Parishes within six miles of Petton, according to Parish Locator are: Parish Name Type,County,Country, OsRef Distance & Direction Baschurch P SAL ENG SJ4221 3.2 South by South West Clive P SAL ENG SJ5124 5.1 East by South East Cockshutt P SAL ENG SJ4328 1.2 North Edstaston P SAL ENG SJ5131 5.9 East by North East Ellesmere P SAL ENG SJ3934 5.6 North by North West Fitz P SAL ENG SJ4417 5.6 South Great Ness P SAL ENG SJ3918 5.6 South by South West Grinshill P SAL ENG SJ5223 5.9 East by South East Hordley P SAL ENG SJ3830 4.0 North West Little Ness P SAL ENG SJ4019 4.7 South by South West Loppington P SAL ENG SJ4729 3.1 North East Myddle P SAL ENG SJ4724 2.8 East by South East Newtown P SAL ENG SJ4731 4.0 North East Preston Gubbals P SAL ENG SJ4919 5.7 South East Ruyton of the Eleven Towns P SAL ENG SJ3922 3.5 South West Welshampton P SAL ENG SJ4334 5.0 North Wem P SAL ENG SJ5129 5.3 East by North East West Felton P SAL ENG SJ3425 5.6 West Don't forget Shrewsbury, close by, where many couples travelled to be married. Cheers Graham Melbourne Oz

At 10:18 AM 15/10/2006, you wrote: >This is my first attempt at doing research in England. I am looking for my >step grandmother Florence Cookson, born December 5, 1900 to Joseph >Cookson and >Emma Powell. I have found the family living in Uffington in the 1900 census >but no other data. Hi Elizabeth Does it not say where she was born? That would be of great help. Cherrio Graham

At 09:26 AM 15/10/2006, you wrote: >Hello all, >I'm curious about the PROBERT family of Copthorne or Copthorn. Hello Loretta If you contact Rosemary Probert on rosemary@prob.freeserve.co.uk she may be able to help. But you might as well have these for future reference: Burials St. Oswald's, Oswestry. Microfilm No. 1702083. page 95/753 Margaret Probert, widow, Lodge St. Martins, 27/3/1819, 69 yrs. By J. Russell, curate p270/2154 John Probert, Baschurch, 5/3/1832, 46 yrs. By R Barnaby. p19/152 Mary Probert, Bailey Street, 12/10/1835, 77 yrs, By R.M. Bonner? p28/218 Jeremiah Probert, Tyn-y-Coed, 21/3/1836, 52 yrs, by R. M. Bonnier p52/410 John Probert, Bagley Street, 5/7/1837, 52 yrs, by J. White p85/672 Jane Probert, Llwymyn.... (probably Llanymynech?) 27/11/39, age 4 yrs, by Thos. Pigott. Perhaps you will find a link one day. Cheers Graham Melbourne Oz

Hi Andy The only Stanley Hurst/Hirst's on the National Index for 1881 are as follows: HURST, Stanley Son <1874> Lanc Lanc HURST, Stanley Son <1876> Ches Ches HIRST, Stanley Son <1877> York York HIRST, Stanley B. Son <1880> York York HURST, Stanley Son <1880> Lond HURST, Stanley G. Son <1880> Lond Lond Which makes me wonder if Stanley Hurst may have been a trade name and not a person? The ones shown above would be far too young for the 1870s/80s. Cheers Graham