In a message dated 10/19/2006 7:25:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, azile44@bigpond.net.au writes: now I believe that his name really was Robert Arthur THOMAS born approx 1858 in or around Much Wenlock, Shropshire son of Thomas THOMAS and Sarah Summerfield REYNOLDS Now my reason for this belief is that he named one of his children Sarah Summerfield CRAIG _www.familysearch.org_ (http://www.familysearch.org) children of thomas thomas and sarah Summerville ?? Robert Arthur Thomas 12 Feb 1859 Long Stanton, Shrop Anne Thomas 2 Mar 1857, Long Stanton, Shrop

Mrs Anita Mitchell wrote: > Thank you for your emails.. My problem is that I have two marriages for > John Bill at Saint Leonard, Broseley. One is 6th November 1786 to Anne Ward, > and the other 23 Jun 1787 to Anne Bagnall. Children followed and one of > them christened at the same church is Michael Bill. who is my ggg > grandfather. > I thought that look ups would give me details of witnesses and also if the > second marriage listed John Bill as a widower. Hmmmmm, yes, that is a difficult one! There's no easy way of telling if one Anne died and John married another Anne but I would think there's a very good chance that he did. Do you know if there are children being baptised too close together to be just from one couple? I'm not sure if the witnesses will be any assistance. Sometimes they are, sometimes not. > I have had "look ups" completed for me in Stafforshire and thought there > may be someone on this list who also do professional research. I think Graham's suggestion of getting hold of the parish registers through your local LDS FHC is probably your answer. It'd probably cost you a lot less than it would to employ a professional researcher. -- Charani (UK)

Dear Mike (or anyone else with Bishop's Castle area interests/knowledge) My great grandfather Charles Pugh was born at Clunbury in 1850, but the family was at Lydbury North in the 1851 census. Then in subsequent censuses in Bishop's Castle. Charles himself married Mary Davies of Ruyton and worked as an agricultural labourer right across Shropshire and as far as Brewood in Staffordshire in the 1881 census - so I am glad on computer indexes otherwise I would not have found him. His parents were Thomas Pugh probably born in Llandyssil, Mont about 1802. His mother appears to be Sarah Humphries born about 1813 in Llanllwchaiarn, Mont and may have married at Aberhafesp, Mont. Thomas appears to have disappeared from the records between 1861 and 1871. Sarah is in the Bishop's Castle censuses up to 1881 when she was listed as a pauper. I have identified a number of possible children, but am concerned that some are misidentified. The names are: Sarah; Thomas; Elizabeth; Jane; Mary; Charles (himself); William (according to my father but haven't found him in records). I started my family history research about 30 years ago, but it's taken me till this summer with the aid of internet research to find Charles birthplace (one census has him at Cleobury North) and identify his parents. Any help/advice would be gratefully received. Best wishes Martin Martin Hughes -----Original Message----- From: Joy Asghar Blueyonder [mailto:joy.asghar@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: 17 October 2006 17:30 To: eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-SHROP] Ancestral Villages Hi Mike My 3x gt grandfather John Bason was born in Lydbury, his brother Charles was born in Bishop's Castle. They moved out of the area. John joined the army and moved to Newcastle under lyme and Charles married in Stanton Lacy and moved to Ludlow. Thanks for the offer of help about Bishops Castle but at the moment i have very little info and no definite evidence they were actually ever at Bishop's Castle. Regards Joy ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike say" <rmasay@globalnet.co.uk> To: <eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com>; <ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-SHROP] Ancestral Villages > Joy > I know the Town well - what is your interest and can I help you with info. > Mike Say > > > At 19:07 13/10/2006, Joy Asghar Blueyonder wrote: > >>Thanks to Jo, have located Bishops castle, it has an apostrophe in >>Bishop's. >>Joy >> >>I'm a lost cousin are you?? www.lostcousins.com >> >> > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.4/475 - Release Date: 13/10/2006 > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.4/475 - Release Date: 13/10/2006 > > -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.13.1/466 - Release Date: 07/10/2006

Thanks Graham At least the film had all but one of Thomas' children. I'll email Shropshire archives, otherwise I'll have to risk buying a death certificate to find out more Barbara >At 12:36 AM 18/10/2006, you wrote: > > >>Today I found the baptism for Sarah CADMAN on the film for Wombridge I >>had hoped to find a burial for her father in 1838/1839 so that I can >>find out his age and hopefully his birthdate and parents. But there >>was a 20 year gap on the film >> >> > >Hi Barbara >According to S.C. Clifford in "Sources of Shropshire Genealogy," the >Bishops Transcripts had gaps of no record from 1837-1855. Pity one >did not know this when first applying for these records, but.... we >learn the hard way, do we not! IGI coverage apparently stopped at >1836 and re-commenced at 1856. Original registers, however, are said >to exist 1813-1908, so there is still hope, and the only answer to >your quandary is now to contact Shropshire Archives, who have the >originals at their address. Contact them on: >http://www.shropshire.gov.uk/archives.nsf/open/7CC8FEB13348CA5C80256C77003BF713 > >Good luck >Graham >Melbourne >oz > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Dear Friends Not that surprising, established names such as Bridewell were also copied from London to other locations. Martin -----Original Message----- From: LEON KNAPPER [mailto:leon.knapper1@btinternet.com] Sent: 16 October 2006 08:27 To: eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-SHROP] PROBERT Shrewsbury. Connection with an ancient gatein Oswestry Hi Graham, I suppose that that was probably the best way of indicating the location of the gaol. Quite convenient really next to a major gateway easy to get prisoners to from out of town. What really interests me is how the justice system has changed in the last 200-300 years in this country, from severe punishment of offenders regardless of the offence to an almost supporting attitude, it seems, for crime and an almost total disregard for the victims of crime.Perhaps I am getting too cynical in my old age! I must try and find the Corporation prisoners books to cast a light on how the punishment system worked in the 1700s in Oswestry and see if I can find surnames that might, one day, be of interest to family historians. Have been to Canada this year Australia next stop. Will bring pictures of the "Green Inn". Best wishes Leon Graham Price <genetree@pacific.net.au> wrote: Hi Leon Bit wierd that, Newgate prison in Oswestry and Newgate prison in London! Wonder what the reason was for doing that? That will keep you up nights puzzling that out!!!! Cheers Graham ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.13.1/466 - Release Date: 07/10/2006

At 09:34 PM 18/10/2006, you wrote: > >>>>After recently finding far more of my "disappeared" relatives > in Australia >than I thought, know how hard it is to move to another country, with limited >time to chase things up.>>>>> Dear Jo, if you need any help regarding your "lost" Ozzie rels, email me off-list. Only too glad to help out if I can. Cheers Graham

If you know the date, even roughly, you may well not need a researcher. You will only be charged for any copies and postage. Try emailing the record office first. I have found in the past they have even gone through parish records and picked out other records for my family without even being asked. Judy On 18 Oct 2006, at 05:40, Mrs Anita Mitchell wrote: > I would like to obtain details of a couple of marriages at St. > Leonard Broseley. Could anyone on this list recommend someone for > me please. > Thanks, > Anita > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG- > SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Okay Dereck Shall check it out Keep your fingers & toes crossed. Cheers Graham

At 12:36 AM 18/10/2006, you wrote: >Today I found the baptism for Sarah CADMAN on the film for Wombridge I >had hoped to find a burial for her father in 1838/1839 so that I can >find out his age and hopefully his birthdate and parents. But there >was a 20 year gap on the film Hi Barbara According to S.C. Clifford in "Sources of Shropshire Genealogy," the Bishops Transcripts had gaps of no record from 1837-1855. Pity one did not know this when first applying for these records, but.... we learn the hard way, do we not! IGI coverage apparently stopped at 1836 and re-commenced at 1856. Original registers, however, are said to exist 1813-1908, so there is still hope, and the only answer to your quandary is now to contact Shropshire Archives, who have the originals at their address. Contact them on: http://www.shropshire.gov.uk/archives.nsf/open/7CC8FEB13348CA5C80256C77003BF713 Good luck Graham Melbourne oz

At 12:21 AM 16/10/2006, you wrote: >That is her. Is there any way to get a copy of her birth registration? >Cheers, Elizabeth Sorry to be so long getting back to you, Elizabeth, but you can order the birth certificate from the General Registration Office, UK online at: http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/ You will need to give them the surname, first name, the Quarter date, the year, the registration district, and folio and page number, as shown below: 6a is the folio No. 635 is the page No. COOKSON Florence May, Mar Qtr 1901, Atcham 6a 635 As for finding out the marriage of Joseph Cookson or Coxon to Emma Powell, you should check out the Free BMD website on http://www.freebmd.org.uk/ to see if you can find a match. Apart from that, going back to Uffington parish records which can be obtained through the LDS folk on microfilm, and some of the parishes close by and checking their records out might reveal the marriage. This is never easy. You have to check them out one by one unless you have found the marriage on the IGI. It can sometimes be a very tedious business, but if you are dedicated, say no more. Good hunting Graham Melbourne Oz

Hi Pam, Thanks for the reply. She actually died in Kirkdale, and I've tried all the cemeteries and churchyards in use at that time, within a good distance around. Most people in that area were buried either at St.Mary's, Kirkdale or St.Mary's, Bootle, but she wasn't. Thanks anyway. Derek. -----Original Message----- From: eng-shropshire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-shropshire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Pam Craven Sent: 18 October 2006 18:06 To: eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-SHROP] Mary Baines Hi Derek Where have you looked in Liverpool, I see she died in West Derby, Liverpool have you checked St Marys, Walton on Hill and some of those churches outside Liverpool 'centre' as we know it today? Not much help but not sure how far you have thrown your net? Pam -----Original Message----- From: eng-shropshire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-shropshire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Derek Shearson Sent: 18 October 2006 14:00 To: ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-SHROP] Mary Baines Does anybody have access to the burial records for Whitchurch? I'm looking for the burial of Mary Baines who died 25th February 1887, aged 70 in Liverpool. She was born in Whitchurch, and her parents and some of her siblings were buried there, and as I can't find a burial for her in Liverpool, I thought she may have been taken 'home' to be buried. Thanks, Derek Shearson. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Derek Where have you looked in Liverpool, I see she died in West Derby, Liverpool have you checked St Marys, Walton on Hill and some of those churches outside Liverpool 'centre' as we know it today? Not much help but not sure how far you have thrown your net? Pam -----Original Message----- From: eng-shropshire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-shropshire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Derek Shearson Sent: 18 October 2006 14:00 To: ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-SHROP] Mary Baines Does anybody have access to the burial records for Whitchurch? I'm looking for the burial of Mary Baines who died 25th February 1887, aged 70 in Liverpool. She was born in Whitchurch, and her parents and some of her siblings were buried there, and as I can't find a burial for her in Liverpool, I thought she may have been taken 'home' to be buried. Thanks, Derek Shearson. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just relisting names I am researching.....BREEZE Birmingham & Shropshire. Pam. South Australia.

At 12:06 AM 16/10/2006, you wrote: >Hi Graham >I have a Mary Probert who married my Richard Jones on 10 Nov 1787 in >Llansillin, Denbighshire. I do need confirmation of this, it is a >while since I was >researching this branch. Hello Shirley I don't have any of these records to hand, but if my memory serves me there are Llansillin records of the date you require at our State Library of Victoria, so shall check on these at my next visit. Cheers Graham

At 04:39 PM 18/10/2006, Charani wrote: > >>>Why not post up the names and dates you're looking for?>>> Yes, Anita, Charani has a good point, because with a little bit of luck someone on this list might just have some of those details or have some information that could be of use to you. And, of course, a rough date also helps. Cherrio Graham

Hello Anita Why not do it yourself, that is, if you live within a reasonable travelling distance from one of the LDS (Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints) Family history library and presuming that you are able to travel? Just a thought, anyway. Baptisms 1638, 1660-1753 Marriages 1638, 1660-1753 Burials 1638, 1660-1753, FHL BRITISH Film No. 992078 Item 2. Baptisms 1754-1830 Marriages 1754-1830 Burials 1754-1830,FHL BRITISH Film No. 992079. Baptisms 1830-1840 Marriages 1830-1840 Burials 1830-1840 Baptisms 1841-1873 Burials 1841-1873, FHL BRITISH Film No. 992080 Item 1 Of course you may very well have a good reason for not doing it this way, and if so, I am sure someone on the list will come up with some help for you. Cherrio and good hunting Graham Melbourne Oz

Did the Edward LACON who married Susannah BLAKEMORE at St.Leonard Bridgnorth 7 Apr 1711 have a sister called Mary? Can anyone find her? Has anyone got her in their notes? Thanks Cyril

I would like to obtain details of a couple of marriages at St. Leonard Broseley. Could anyone on this list recommend someone for me please. Thanks, Anita

Does anybody have access to the burial records for Whitchurch? I'm looking for the burial of Mary Baines who died 25th February 1887, aged 70 in Liverpool. She was born in Whitchurch, and her parents and some of her siblings were buried there, and as I can't find a burial for her in Liverpool, I thought she may have been taken 'home' to be buried. Thanks, Derek Shearson.

Hi Anita, Could not help googling for your interests, found Azores and maye Home Children. Whilst following two links unlikely to be what you are after, worth looking at for a wider picture. http://www.broseley.org.uk/index.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broseley Then there is Genuki for Shropshire, but not much on Broseley. After recently finding far more of my "disappeared" relatives in Australia than I thought, know how hard it is to move to another country, with limited time to chase things up. Many people on the Shropshire list have directories, guess years about 1840s to 1942 very approximately, though of course very different to the censuses. Jo. Shropshire. Very mild.