Hi all - Have searched thru your archives and am summing up information  found and what I know about my grandfather Richard Evans showing it below. He said when married that he was born in Welshampton but cannot find actual birth record.  I basically  am left with 3 questions,  would anyone have access to full information on 1871 census for UK?   Would anyone have access to birth and baptism records for WEM and/or Welshampton, Shropshire.     Happy New  Year  Joyce Have found the following possibles for Richard Evans *1901 census age 35 birkenhead *born in Welshampton per marriage certificate in Birkenhead, son of Charles Evans, mothers name unknown 18 May 1891 age age 22 (est dob 1869) son says he was 30 (est dob 1861) *1891 census age 25 boarding in Lower Bebington Cheshire (est dob 1866) *1881 census age 16 working on a farm (est dob 1865) Have one record of a christening 13 Mar 1864 Hampton Bank Welshampton, Shropshire  father Charles, mother Harriet Possible parents Charles and Harriet registered most of their children at Ellesmere except for Richard. I ordered certificate for  one Richard registered at Ellesmere in 1865 but told his father was not Charles. There is another Richard birth recorded at WEM in 1864 which could be same  Richard as was baptized in Welshampton - Possible children for Charles and Harriet including those shown on LDS site are  - Henry -  Georgina - Richard - Rose Hannah - Mathilda - William - Sarah Ann - Joseph - Pamela - Annie - & Elijah My Richard had a brother Lloyd who was at his funeral in Sep 1940 (spitting image of each other-per grandchildren who were at funeral)  If the mystery Lloyd was not his brother then will have to look for a brother-in-law. So am looking for some kind of proof that the WEM birth and baptism records in Welshampton are for the same child. Q1 - HOW - PERHAPS 1871 census would show family together with Richard still at home as a child, with nearest age possible  and brother Lloyd (?middle name)  I looked and found 170 Richards in the Shropshire census transcript with no clue as to which one was born where. Q2 - OR PERHAPS someone would have access to following baptismal records with full information on child and parents   Georgina Evans b 28 Aug 1859 Balmer  bap 24 Sep 1859 Welshampton Richard b  ?    bap 13 Mar 1864 Welshampton Joseph b  ?    bap 2 Feb 1866  Welshampton Pamela B  ?  bap 28 Aug 1868  Welshampton Q3 - OR by some miracle could actual birth records be found?

Hi Everyone. Seasons Greetings. Thanks for the discussion on the 1911 Census. I have managed to find my way through the inaccurate transcription and find some very interesting results. I had no difficulty getting on to the site although do admit ii is a bit expensive. I do have concerns about the ethics of such a site. A recent petition to reduced the time census data was locked away was rejected. The rationale was that the informants had been promised that it would be locked away for 100 years. However, that does not seem to be a problem if there is money to be made. I am also concerned that public records are sold in this way. Tax payers have paid for the storage of this data over time so it should again be free. Having said this I am very pleased to get some knew questions to answer and hope everyone has as much fun as I have had. Thanks for bringing the information to my attention. Good hunting Jim Hill Research interests are Shuker, Sayce, Marston & Payne in Oswestry and Bishop's castle

The URL for the Irish Census is http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/ The index links to the images of Household Return, Enumerators Abstract, House and Building Return, and Out-Offices and Farm-Steadings Return (all as PDF files). So lots more information than England/Wales. Wonderful resource - and as Dave says the National Archives of Ireland should be highly commended for this Debbie Dave wrote: > Hi folks, > Thousands of genealogists and other interested parties have been fighting > for many years for the early release of census information. I personally > can't see any reason why they should have to be locked away for 100 years. > I'm afraid it's the same problem with most public information whether it be > census records, parish records or BMD records, somebody has to transcribe > and make them available and usually at a cost to the researcher. > The Freecen, FreeBMD and FreeReg projects are doing a wonderful job in > making these available free of charge, but it is a slow job even with the > transcribers, checkers, validators and coordinators working hard to get them > online. > What bugs me is that the 1911 Census of Ireland is set to be online by mid > 2009 with Antrim, Down, Kerry and Dublin already available. > How much to search - FREE > How much to view each transcribed page - FEEE > How much to view an image - FREE > Maybe it is being made available at no charge because researching Irish > ancestors is difficult because of the destruction of the census records. I > would happily have paid for the valuable information I found on the site. > The National Archives of Ireland should be commended and and maybe give some > tips to our lot. > Cheers, > Dave Jassie - List Administrator > > > >

Hi folks, Thousands of genealogists and other interested parties have been fighting for many years for the early release of census information. I personally can't see any reason why they should have to be locked away for 100 years. I'm afraid it's the same problem with most public information whether it be census records, parish records or BMD records, somebody has to transcribe and make them available and usually at a cost to the researcher. The Freecen, FreeBMD and FreeReg projects are doing a wonderful job in making these available free of charge, but it is a slow job even with the transcribers, checkers, validators and coordinators working hard to get them online. What bugs me is that the 1911 Census of Ireland is set to be online by mid 2009 with Antrim, Down, Kerry and Dublin already available. How much to search - FREE How much to view each transcribed page - FEEE How much to view an image - FREE Maybe it is being made available at no charge because researching Irish ancestors is difficult because of the destruction of the census records. I would happily have paid for the valuable information I found on the site. The National Archives of Ireland should be commended and and maybe give some tips to our lot. Cheers, Dave Jassie - List Administrator

But there again the Irish Government is now releasing the 1911 census and it is FREE both to search and to download images.....so there is no real argument for the excessive fees charged by FMP....also take for example the more realistic charges for Scottish data from Scotlandspeople....so really FMP are milking the current trend and popularity of family history....and of course they will not be licensing the data to others such as Ancestry in the near future until they have soaked up the dosh. -------- Original Message -------- > James Hill wrote: > > >> I do have concerns about the ethics of such a site. A recent petition to >> reduced the time census data was locked away was rejected. The rationale was >> that the informants had been promised that it would be locked away for 100 >> years. However, that does not seem to be a problem if there is money to be >> made. I am also concerned that public records are sold in this way. Tax >> payers have paid for the storage of this data over time so it should again >> be free. >> > > There was no promise at the time the census was taken that it would be > closed for 100 years. The decision to make it so was made by the > government retrospectively in 1960. Thus certain individuals were > able to use the UK's Freedom of Information Act to get the census > released early. > > It had nothing to do with money at all. It was action by individuals > who have absolutely no connection with the government, or any > commercial interests, who were responsible. > > The census is free of charge if you go to the National Archives, but > you won't be able to handle the original documents. You'll only be > able to see them on film (or on a PC now). In order to make the > census (or any other documents) freely available, the documents have > to be filmed (or digitised) which costs money. In the case of the > census it consists of household schedules which have not been > available for previous censuses. So, instead of having a number of > households on a page, each household has a page to itself. > > The original documents took up one and a quarter *miles* of shelf > space. To walk from one end to the other would take approx 35 mins at > a normal pace. > > Therefore, in order to relieve the burden on taxpayers (many of whom > aren't interested in family history) and to cover the cost of the > filming/digitisation, the National Archives sells a license to > specific companies who will, obviously, endeavour to recoup as much of > their costs as possible, if only to allow them to make further > documents available. > > The first census that was covered by government legislation to be > closed for 100 years was the 1921. However, I have heard rumblings > that attempts will be made to get that legislation overturned. > > The next document that could be released before its anticipated date > is the 1939 National Registration which was not a census so therefore > not covered by the 100 year closure applicable to censuses. There is > a closure period on it but it may be possible for that to be released > early. > > The 1931 census no longer exists and there was no census taken in 1941 > thus making the 1951 census the next available one. > > We should respect the rights to privacy of all, especially those who > are not nosey genealogists and family historians :)) The information > is, in any case, available from other sources which are already open > to the public. > > I hope this explains the situation. > > > REMEMBER - The question you are asking may have already been answered. > Threaded Archives at - > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/Archives > > Searchable Archives at - > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > E-mail message checked by Internet Security (6.0.0.386) > Database version: 5.11420 > http://www.pctools.com/uk/internet-security/ > > E-mail message checked by Internet Security (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11420 http://www.pctools.com/uk/internet-security/

James Hill wrote: > I do have concerns about the ethics of such a site. A recent petition to > reduced the time census data was locked away was rejected. The rationale was > that the informants had been promised that it would be locked away for 100 > years. However, that does not seem to be a problem if there is money to be > made. I am also concerned that public records are sold in this way. Tax > payers have paid for the storage of this data over time so it should again > be free. There was no promise at the time the census was taken that it would be closed for 100 years. The decision to make it so was made by the government retrospectively in 1960. Thus certain individuals were able to use the UK's Freedom of Information Act to get the census released early. It had nothing to do with money at all. It was action by individuals who have absolutely no connection with the government, or any commercial interests, who were responsible. The census is free of charge if you go to the National Archives, but you won't be able to handle the original documents. You'll only be able to see them on film (or on a PC now). In order to make the census (or any other documents) freely available, the documents have to be filmed (or digitised) which costs money. In the case of the census it consists of household schedules which have not been available for previous censuses. So, instead of having a number of households on a page, each household has a page to itself. The original documents took up one and a quarter *miles* of shelf space. To walk from one end to the other would take approx 35 mins at a normal pace. Therefore, in order to relieve the burden on taxpayers (many of whom aren't interested in family history) and to cover the cost of the filming/digitisation, the National Archives sells a license to specific companies who will, obviously, endeavour to recoup as much of their costs as possible, if only to allow them to make further documents available. The first census that was covered by government legislation to be closed for 100 years was the 1921. However, I have heard rumblings that attempts will be made to get that legislation overturned. The next document that could be released before its anticipated date is the 1939 National Registration which was not a census so therefore not covered by the 100 year closure applicable to censuses. There is a closure period on it but it may be possible for that to be released early. The 1931 census no longer exists and there was no census taken in 1941 thus making the 1951 census the next available one. We should respect the rights to privacy of all, especially those who are not nosey genealogists and family historians :)) The information is, in any case, available from other sources which are already open to the public. I hope this explains the situation.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ELLinSpain Surnames: bowen Classification: birth Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sal.general/6607.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello there is Births Mar 1905 Bowen Lilian Mary T Reg Wolverhampton Vol 6b Page 572 Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: rosemaryjames101 Surnames: wilson Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sal.general/6609/mb.ashx Message Board Post: looking for decendents of arthur edward wilson, born alton staffs about 1898. wife possibly daisy, divorced and wife and children may have gone back to shrewsbury, arthur died macclesfield, cheshire. thanks rosemary Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: rosemaryjames101 Surnames: wilson Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sal.general/6608/mb.ashx Message Board Post: llooking for decendents of arthur edward wilson, born alton staffs about 1898. possible married daisy. divorced and wife and children may have gone back to shrewsbury, arthur died in macclesfield, cheshire.thanks rosemary Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Anton Mcloughlin wrote: > If you already have an account with FindMyPast then you can use this > login on the 1911 census page. You still have to be invited! Goodbye

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: avrilburrows Surnames: Bowen, Harper, Morris Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sal.general/6607/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am looking for any information on Lilian Mary Thomasina BOWEN and Evelyn HARPER. Lilian was apparently school mistress at Acton Burnell School, Shropshire in the 1920's and 1930's. She was the godmother of my maternal grandmother, Evelyn HARPER and she was a witness to her marriage to Samuel MORRIS which took place on 22 February 1930 at Acton Burnell. My father was born in her home, attached to the school house, in September 1930. Evelyn was born in Kings Norton, Birmingham in 1901 the daughter of William Walter Jackson HARPER and Rebecca COOPER. She died following the still birth of her second child in 1932. Any information about Lilian and/or the school would be appreciated. Regards Avril Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Happy Christmas to all !! My names are GRIZZELL (many variants) and HAYWOOD in Market Drayton /Little Drayton area. The family moved to Aston/Birmingham in early 1900s. Here's hoping this rings a bell with someone. Mike Walker

This just NOT true at all If you already have an account with FindMyPast then you can use this login on the 1911 census page. Otherwise if you register on the 1911 Beta site you will get an invitational email. Due to the debacle of the release of the 1901 census they are taking a much better approach to the release by limiting the load on their servers intially to test the system and guage reaction and correct some errors. They will have built in the prous nature of the internet and expect a gradual increase in users as the word gets out as it surely will in such a site. As an "uninvited" user i have reported several transcription errors, one of which is pretty bad in that many surnames beginning with Mc are not indexed correctly as Mc, instead the root is indexed and the Mc added as a second forename. If you think this is bunkum then search for a McLoughlin in Luton, Beds....there are none according to the index.....but my grandfather is there under Loughlin, and the schedule form is very distinctly correct as McLoughlin. When they replied to my report they did not threaten to prosecute nor persecute not penalise me for my uninvited access..to the contrary they were grateful for my comments. There is a lot of scaremongering by the "invited" as they seem not to want to share their bounty or maybe they feel "exclusive" and somehow special.....strange thing is that most of those that doth protest so much all over the net seem to have these "hide my identity" generic email addresses such as hotmail, gmail or yahoo.... -------- Original Message -------- > Anton Mcloughlin wrote: > >> For a short period the 1911 census is in Beta version at >> http://snip >> > > It is invite only and *not* for the use of all, irrespective of the > fact the URL may be available from other sources. Those other sources > have NOT made the available with permission from 1911census or FMP. > > FMP is taking action on all unauthorised publication of the URL. > > The 1911 site T+Cs specifically prohibit the publication in any way or > form of the URL. > > REMEMBER - The question you are asking may have already been answered. > Threaded Archives at - > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/Archives > > Searchable Archives at - > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > E-mail message checked by Internet Security (6.0.0.386) > Database version: 5.11410 > http://www.pctools.com/uk/internet-security/ > > E-mail message checked by Internet Security (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11410 http://www.pctools.com/uk/internet-security/

Anton Mcloughlin wrote: > For a short period the 1911 census is in Beta version at > http://snip It is invite only and *not* for the use of all, irrespective of the fact the URL may be available from other sources. Those other sources have NOT made the available with permission from 1911census or FMP. FMP is taking action on all unauthorised publication of the URL. The 1911 site T+Cs specifically prohibit the publication in any way or form of the URL.

But one of the conditions for using the site is that you do not pass on the URL to anyone!!! So by posting this message you are breaking the legal contract that you would have accepted before accessing the site. Debbie Anton Mcloughlin wrote: > For a short period the 1911 census is in Beta version at > http://betav3.1911census.co.uk/ > > Shrophsire is one of the counties available. >

For a short period the 1911 census is in Beta version at http://betav3.1911census.co.uk/ Shrophsire is one of the counties available. > > E-mail message checked by Internet Security (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11410 http://www.pctools.com/uk/internet-security/

A very merry Christmas to each and everyone and a bountiful research year in 2009 Graham Melbourne Oz

Merry Christmas to all listers Any Shropshire Shaw's out there?? **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025)

Merry Christmas to all. Best wishes for a fruitful and rewarding 2009. >From Neil and Diane Pitt - Russell Island, Australia GROVES and LEE Shifnal PITT Tiverton, Devon

Merry Christmas to all listers My family are Abley - Shropshire Abbley - yorkshire and London Robbins and Robins - Gloucestershire Weymans - Gloucestershire Good luck in your search for family in 2009 Chris Abbley - Gloucestershire, England.