This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: alaskabluebird Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sal.general/6612.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Yes Elaine I tried that, but since I'm not familiar with the counties/communities/etc, i wanted to ask someone who knows for-sure. i get lost in all those maps and need a little help sincerely, Melanie Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ElaineSykes63 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sal.general/6612.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Why not just click on Google maps and find directions between the two places. This will give you the distance. Elaine Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Here's my New Year roll call. Short and sweet and lets hope fruitful... BASON, DAVI(E)S, GRAVENOR of Ludlow But I'm desperate for BASON anywhere in Shrops....please Happy New Year! Happy hunting for 2009 Cheers Joy

Hi all, I am trying to find a marriage for Sam(p)son BLOOR (BLEWER) to Sarah PALMER. Sampson was born about 1805, Lilleshall and Sarah about 1804, Donnington (both from Census) Their first child was chr 1828, Wrockwardine Wood, with the following being born at Shiffnal, Woodhouse, Wrockwardine Wood Their children were: Elizabeth, chr 1828, Wrockwardine Wood, (IGI) married Samuel ASHLEY Ann chr Wrockwardine Wood, 1829. (IGI) Unmarried Mary born 1829 Woodhouse (from census) nothing after 1851 Sarah chr 1833, Wrockwardine Wood. (IGI) Married Edward PARRY Thomas chr 1836, Wrockwardine Wood. (IGI) Married Ann DEAN Margaret born 1838, Shiffnal Woodhouse (census). Married Henry MEDDINGS Catherine born 1842, Woodhouse Shifffnal. Married William DAVIES and emigrated to Australia Moses born 1844, Shiffnal. (Census) Married Emily RICHARDS Jane born 1847, Woodhouse, Shiffnal. (Census) Unmarried The family were Primative Methodists. I don't know if this would affect whether they may or maynot be on the IGI. I would love anything on Sampson or Sarah and would love to hear from anyone with an interest in this family or related families Cheers Margot Gladstone, QLD Australia Researching in Shropshire: Davies; Addison; Norton; Jones; Bloor and Palmer

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: alaskabluebird Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sal.general/6612.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Yes ... Repton Derbyshire. thank you. i live in America and don't have the slightest idea how to find-out the mileage between towns in England. is is 73 kilometers or 73 miles? thanks for your help, sincerely, Melanie Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Re Palmer families - Would anyone have parents of Mary Palmer bapt 27 Mar 1751 Madeley, Shropshire married to John Glazebrook on 26 Mar 1768. John was born 23 Oct 1748 buried 30 Mar 1784 John is my 4ggfather. Believe his parents to be William and Elizabeth Yorke no dates and John's grandparents to be George and Jane again no dates known. Would appreciate any info and source avbl. I have 6 children for John and Mary if anyone interested. PLEASE post replies to list please. Joyce ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:30:36 -0500 From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-SHROP] Fw: PALMER AND BLOOR (BLEWER) FAMILIES To: [email protected], [email protected] Hi Margot, My 7X great grandmother was a MARGARET PALMER Chr 1631 Wellington m High Ercall 1653 son born Wrockwardine 1665 was likely connected to your PALMER family, Also I have a PACE connection to DAVIES near Lilleshall. PALMER go to: http://www.pacefamilyhistory.info/records/palmer.htm You'll see the PALMER family, Wrockwardine, High Ercall, Wellington. They seemed to disappear from that area after a generation or two. I've been trying to find out where they went. I think one branch went to Middlesex County Virginia in the latter 1600s as a son, JOHN PACE showed up there and PALMER was also in the church records for generations after. There is a gap in time between my PALMERs and yours so it may be interesting trying to fill the gap. ************************************************

Hi Margot, My 7X great grandmother was a MARGARET PALMER Chr 1631 Wellington m High Ercall 1653 son born Wrockwardine 1665 was likely connected to your PALMER family, Also I have a PACE connection to DAVIES near Lilleshall. PALMER go to: http://www.pacefamilyhistory.info/records/palmer.htm You'll see the PALMER family, Wrockwardine, High Ercall, Wellington. They seemed to disappear from that area after a generation or two. I've been trying to find out where they went. I think one branch went to Middlesex County Virginia in the latter 1600s as a son, JOHN PACE showed up there and PALMER was also in the church records for generations after. There is a gap in time between my PALMERs and yours so it may be interesting trying to fill the gap. DAVIES 4 Joseph PACE - Chr 12 Feb 1743 Sheriff Hales, Shropshire + Elizabeth DAVIES - wed 1776 - src Boyd go to http://www.pacefamilyhistory.info/uk/sheriff.htm It seems I tracked the Davies name to Lilleshall, Sheriff Hales and around there but that's quite a while ago, never got too far with that part. I need some time to look and find my notes on Davies. Gord marsco wrote: > Hi all, > > I am trying to find a marriage for Sam(p)son BLOOR (BLEWER) to Sarah PALMER. > Sampson was born about 1805, Lilleshall and Sarah about 1804, Donnington > (both from Census) > > Their first child was chr 1828, Wrockwardine Wood, with the following being > born at Shiffnal, Woodhouse, Wrockwardine Wood > > Their children were: > Elizabeth, chr 1828, Wrockwardine Wood, (IGI) married Samuel ASHLEY > Ann chr Wrockwardine Wood, 1829. (IGI) Unmarried > Mary born 1829 Woodhouse (from census) nothing after 1851 > Sarah chr 1833, Wrockwardine Wood. (IGI) Married Edward PARRY > Thomas chr 1836, Wrockwardine Wood. (IGI) Married Ann DEAN > Margaret born 1838, Shiffnal Woodhouse (census). Married Henry MEDDINGS > Catherine born 1842, Woodhouse Shifffnal. Married William DAVIES and > emigrated to Australia > Moses born 1844, Shiffnal. (Census) Married Emily RICHARDS > Jane born 1847, Woodhouse, Shiffnal. (Census) Unmarried > > The family were Primative Methodists. I don't know if this would affect > whether they may or maynot be on the IGI. > > I would love anything on Sampson or Sarah and would love to hear from anyone > with an interest in this family or related families > > Cheers > > Margot > Gladstone, QLD > Australia > > Researching in Shropshire: Davies; Addison; Norton; Jones; Bloor and Palmer

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: bristolloggerheads Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sal.general/6612.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: If you mean Repton, Derbyshire then the answer is 73. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

[email protected] wrote: > What are the alternative sources for this information which are already open > to the public please? GRO indexes and the parish registers. The latter are available on film at your nearest LDS family history centre for a hire fee of a few pounds up to about 1900. After that it's the original volumes which should be at the record office.

Hi Melanie, Abdon is in Shropshire and Repton in Derbyshire. The distance between them being 65 miles. Chris Abbley. Gloucestershire England. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: WardFromTX Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sal.general/6612/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Please help. Does anyone know how many miles/kilometers there is between Abdon and Repton England? thank you, Melanie Ward United States

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: WardFromTX Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sal.general/6612/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Please help. Does anyone know how many miles/kilometers there is between Abdon and Repton England? thank you, Melanie Ward United States Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

I didnt write the letter but one instance to me is the church record books which are in our family history section in Swansea archives St David Church for instance has the registers of baptisms, marriage, deaths up to 1985 and on this they would give addresss of the couple and fathers name. Althea ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 10:46 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-SHROP] Early release of census and public availability > > What are the alternative sources for this information which are already > open > to the public please? > > Chris > > We should respect the rights to privacy of all, especially those who > are not nosey genealogists and family historians :)) The information > is, in any case, available from other sources which are already open > to the public. > > REMEMBER - The question you are asking may have already been answered. > Threaded Archives at - > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/Archives > > Searchable Archives at - > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi All I must admit that the access to documents can vary from archive to archive. I have used the LDS Family History Centres although do charge a nominal amount. They now allow digital cameras so one can get permanent records of parish records and peruse at leisure. Some archives allow the use of digital cameras (without flash) and this has proved extremely valuable. Others don't allow any electronic aids but allow original documents to be handled without gloves and allow The staff to photocopy them for you. One significant library tried to prevent us from accessing my wife's grandfather's journals from WWI on the basis that they were an academic library. The did relent eventually but only after we produced university staff id. I am sort of lucky that the State Library in Melbourne has the GRO and one can access free sources for the GRO on line. Both sources have been extremely useful. However I do envy those in the UK with easy access to original documents. All part of the fun though. Jim Hill

Graham I think Firebird refers to documents held in the local and National Archives....one takes a pen and paper in and methodically trawls through all the parish registers to draw up the trees, then move on to Electoral rolls, Trade directories and other 20thC material in the public domain. Fine for the very very small percentage of researchers who live near to not only their local archives but also to London, and have enough time on their hands to do it the oldfashioned way. But the majority world wide have to use either the limited LDS filming or the Internet and the kindness of volunteers in the mailing lists and the transcribers in family history societies and other projects. But there is no single source so valuable as a census return as it is a snapshot of the family and life every 10 years. Previously folks had to labour hard to get to a 1901 family unit as not everyone is fortunate to have elderly living relatives who remember all the folks from their childhood and the tales their grannies told them.....the release of the 1911 census bridges the all important gap between today and yesteryear and answers many questions that relatives may have not remembered....but in England & Wales it is at a great price that is not really neccessary in the long term view. FMP missed the boat spectaculary with all previous census data and are still playing catchup to get all counties on their site upto and including 1901....sites like ancestry coined it in at their expense and scotlandspeople just did it the right way from Day one and never looked back.....so i guess the high prices for 1911 and the monopoly exercised initially by FMP is retribution whereby we have to pay for their past errors. But it has been worth it as it has opened up a lot of lines and answered a lot of open questions for my research. BTW do not bleat about paying a researcher...i did that once to get some crucial docs out of Kew and they sent me totally wrong ones eventhough i had pinpointed the darn boxes in which to look in....they got a flea in their ear and were sent back at their own cost and 2nd time around produced the correct documents.....kindof put me off paying other when i just bide my time til the opportunity arises to make a personal visit to Kew and other archives... Happy New Year to all -------- Original Message -------- > What are the alternative sources for this information which are already open > to the public please? > > Chris > > We should respect the rights to privacy of all, especially those who > are not nosey genealogists and family historians :)) The information > is, in any case, available from other sources which are already open > to the public. > > REMEMBER - The question you are asking may have already been answered. > Threaded Archives at - > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/Archives > > Searchable Archives at - > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > E-mail message checked by Internet Security (6.0.0.386) > Database version: 5.11420 > http://www.pctools.com/uk/internet-security/ > > E-mail message checked by Internet Security (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11420 http://www.pctools.com/uk/internet-security/

What are the alternative sources for this information which are already open to the public please? Chris We should respect the rights to privacy of all, especially those who are not nosey genealogists and family historians :)) The information is, in any case, available from other sources which are already open to the public.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: bristolloggerheads Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sal.general/6611.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: "ANNE BEDDOES - ch: 10th November 1776 at St. Peter's, Diddlebury daughter of John & Elizabeth Beddoes. It seems that she is the same Ann Beadows who married Edward Minton on 25th June 1807 by Licence at St Mary Magdalene, Bridgnorth. The register records that Ann Beadows & Edward Minton were both of this parish - he signed his name and she signed with her mark X; witnesses signed with their mark X as follows: John Beadows and Elizabeth Beadows" PS The Broseley Beddows are a nightmare! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: freakyboo Surnames: Beddoe, Beddow, Beddard, Milton, Mitton, Minton Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sal.general/6611/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am looking for the parents of a Mr. Thomas Beddoe who married Sarah Milton/Mitton/Minton on Jan 12, 1829. I would like any information that is available on him. I know he was born anywhere between 1805-1811 with census information/marriage information/death information that I do have. They had a daughter Eliza and then moved to Dudley where they had 6 more children, Sarah died and he married Eliza Guest. They went on to have 7 children as well. Any information on Thomas Beddoe/Beddow/Beddard would be wonderful. I would be over the moon to find his parents. Thanks for any help! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Many thanks for your comments unfortunately you have completely missed the point. As you say the documents etc are stored by the National Archives who have sold the rights which are public property. I have no problems with commercial interest but I do have a problem with any government body making money out of public information, which the National Archive is. The decision to make the data closed may have been retrospective but that was the rationale of the prime ministers office to a petition to reduce the closed period. Clearly money does speak as by rights the data should not have been available until 2011 Thanks Jim Hill -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Firebird Sent: Friday, 26 December 2008 9:55 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-SHROP] Early release of census and public availability James Hill wrote: > I do have concerns about the ethics of such a site. A recent petition to > reduced the time census data was locked away was rejected. The rationale was > that the informants had been promised that it would be locked away for 100 > years. However, that does not seem to be a problem if there is money to be > made. I am also concerned that public records are sold in this way. Tax > payers have paid for the storage of this data over time so it should again > be free. There was no promise at the time the census was taken that it would be closed for 100 years. The decision to make it so was made by the government retrospectively in 1960. Thus certain individuals were able to use the UK's Freedom of Information Act to get the census released early. It had nothing to do with money at all. It was action by individuals who have absolutely no connection with the government, or any commercial interests, who were responsible. The census is free of charge if you go to the National Archives, but you won't be able to handle the original documents. You'll only be able to see them on film (or on a PC now). In order to make the census (or any other documents) freely available, the documents have to be filmed (or digitised) which costs money. In the case of the census it consists of household schedules which have not been available for previous censuses. So, instead of having a number of households on a page, each household has a page to itself. The original documents took up one and a quarter *miles* of shelf space. To walk from one end to the other would take approx 35 mins at a normal pace. Therefore, in order to relieve the burden on taxpayers (many of whom aren't interested in family history) and to cover the cost of the filming/digitisation, the National Archives sells a license to specific companies who will, obviously, endeavour to recoup as much of their costs as possible, if only to allow them to make further documents available. The first census that was covered by government legislation to be closed for 100 years was the 1921. However, I have heard rumblings that attempts will be made to get that legislation overturned. The next document that could be released before its anticipated date is the 1939 National Registration which was not a census so therefore not covered by the 100 year closure applicable to censuses. There is a closure period on it but it may be possible for that to be released early. The 1931 census no longer exists and there was no census taken in 1941 thus making the 1951 census the next available one. We should respect the rights to privacy of all, especially those who are not nosey genealogists and family historians :)) The information is, in any case, available from other sources which are already open to the public. I hope this explains the situation. REMEMBER - The question you are asking may have already been answered. Threaded Archives at - http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/Archives Searchable Archives at - http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: maxine06 Surnames: Davies Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sal.general/6610/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Edward Davies b 1742 in Shropshire, England would of been the gt gt gt gt grandfather of my husband. I believe his wife's name was Mary ?(unknown maiden name) Since I know the Davies name is very common name, I would appreciate any help I can get with this. Edward had a son Thomas who had a son Thomas E Davies who came to America on a sailing vessel. Would there be anyone who might help me with this? We live in the US in the state of Missouri, many of the descending from Edward live near to this location. Thanking you in advance for your help. Maxine Davies Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

In message <[email protected]>, Firebird <[email protected]> writes >Therefore, in order to relieve the burden on taxpayers (many of whom >aren't interested in family history) and to cover the cost of the >filming/digitisation, the National Archives sells a license to >specific companies who will, obviously, endeavour to recoup as much of >their costs as possible, if only to allow them to make further >documents available. > This rather misses the point. The National Archives would be better to *give* a license to anyone who wants it. There would thus be competition in the pricing of the digitised version and competition in the quality of the work. The National Archives would benefit by insisting on receiving a copy of the digitised data free for public perusal at the National Archives. It is rather misleading to say "endeavour to recoup as much of their costs as possible" when in reality it should be "endeavour to make as much profit as possible". That is what companies do and that is why shareholders invest in them or entrepreneurs start them. And that is why competition is important to keep prices down. Graham --