Thanks for suggestion. I can only find Ellen on 1881,91 and 1901 census returns. See my e-mail of 5th December. So do not know her parents as her marriage record has not come to light yet. Maureen.

Can someone on this list give me a lesson on "Where do I go from here?"  What  can I search on line and/or what can I purchase to find my missing ancestors?   My gr gr gr grandfather, Thomas BROOKES, b 1787-1791 in Shropshire, appears in the 1841 census in Hordley with his wife, Elizabeth, and two daughters, Ann Elizabeth and Hannah.  Daughter Ann Elizabeth was baptized in 1823, and I am assuming that father Thomas and mother Elizabeth were most probably married in the neighborhood of 1820ish.   Question #1 What should I be looking at to find their   marriage record?  Would the only source be the OPRs for Hordley or Ellesmere?  Are they available in any form?   Ann Elizabeth (who goes by just Ann) is my gr gr grandmother.  She married Henry WILLIAMS in 1846 in Ellesmere.  She and Henry had seven children that I know of....the eldest b 1847 in Bagley was Harriet, my gr grandmother.  The only information I have about Henry WILLIAMS is taken from the censuses 1841 - 1891 and his death record in 1897.  I have no parents for him; I have no siblings for him!!   Question #2 With a last name of WILLIAMS, how do I select the correct Henry WILLIAMS from all of the WILLIAMS in that area?    My BROOKES family and my WILLIAMS family have both been at a standstill for years.  I am hoping that someone on this list can point me in the right direction.   Thank you for reading my plea, Barbara (in California)                      

Thanks Irene - I almost sent a message out using the name Palmer so you caught me just in time. Will keep looking Joyce ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, January 3, 2009 3:00:06 AM Subject: ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS Digest, Vol 4, Issue 3 1. Re: PALMER/ BLOOR (Irene M. Fullarton) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 From: "Irene M. Fullarton" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [ENG-SHROP] PALMER/ BLOOR Hi Joyce, Happy New Year to you. It was down the Bloor line I was talking about. Henry Meddings came from the same hamlet my Meddings family came from. A NZ connection to his family had decided they were related to my family (with a 50 year gap) so to prove they were not I researched the other Meddings family which included Henry who married Margaret Bloor. In the process I bought their marriage certificate so finding Margaret's ancestry wasn't difficult. I didn't find any marriages but I didn't really look very hard. Later I was sent the photo of their grandson Gerald Meddings. The man who had it wanted a Richards or Collins connection to him because his grandfather had kept the photo. It was taken in 1915 so it may be that they met during the War. Sorry, I can't help but best of luck in your search. Regards, Irene. At 03:01 02/01/2009, JOYCE CRETE wrote: >Hi Irene - Happy New Year - would you mind confirming if in your >message to Margot and >your reference to Palmer for Margaret and Henry and son >Moses. Although I'm looking for >a connection to a Mary Palmer and John Glazebrook, I have a friend >who has a few other Palmer >names that might be connected, so any names you can add, I will >check and see if there are any visible connections. Joyce snip

Hi Joyce, Happy New Year to you. It was down the Bloor line I was talking about. Henry Meddings came from the same hamlet my Meddings family came from. A NZ connection to his family had decided they were related to my family (with a 50 year gap) so to prove they were not I researched the other Meddings family which included Henry who married Margaret Bloor. In the process I bought their marriage certificate so finding Margaret's ancestry wasn't difficult. I didn't find any marriages but I didn't really look very hard. Later I was sent the photo of their grandson Gerald Meddings. The man who had it wanted a Richards or Collins connection to him because his grandfather had kept the photo. It was taken in 1915 so it may be that they met during the War. Sorry, I can't help but best of luck in your search. Regards, Irene. At 03:01 02/01/2009, JOYCE CRETE wrote: >Hi Irene - Happy New Year - would you mind confirming if in your >message to Margot and >your reference to Palmer for Margaret and Henry and son >Moses. Although I'm looking for >a connection to a Mary Palmer and John Glazebrook, I have a friend >who has a few other Palmer >names that might be connected, so any names you can add, I will >check and see if there are any visible connections. Joyce snip

Hi Graham, Thanks for the thought of Blower. I have tried Bloor(e) and Blewer, so will have a look at this variation. You never know....... Cheers Margot -------Original Message------- BLOWER, John Marriage Wife: Mary PALMER Marriage Date: 10 Sep 1759 Recorded in: Alberbury, Shropshire, England Source: FHL Film 993074 Dates: 1740 - 1772 Have you tried the surname BLOWER? I found the following on the BVRI disks

At the risk of asking the obvious, when she died was she unmarried (i.e. was she born Ellen HEATH for sure)? To eliminate "Ellesmere 193" and "Bromsgrove 287" you need to do a forward search....in other words you need to try to pick these two up, either in the deaths for the next few years or in the censuses. We'd need to know the registration quarters to work out the approximate dates of birth to be able to look for them in the censuses. Do you have anything else on your Ellen, apart from an age at death, who was the informant? Where is she in the censuses, who is she with, what is she doing, etc. Sherry Landa (23170, Viersat, FRANCE) Still looking for birth/bapt. of Ellen HEATH born Shrewsbury, Shropshire according to census returns, who died in Doncaster in 1916 age on death certificate given as 66years. The ages on census return are varying so unable to pin point the correct year of birth. Have abstracted the Ellen HEATH births on National Index from 1847-1860 hoping to eliminate. Can I eliminate Ellesmere 6a 193? also what about Bromsgrove 6c 387?Help! Maureen.

Forgot to paste it in. Here 'tis. BLOWER, John Marriage Wife: Mary PALMER Marriage Date: 10 Sep 1759 Recorded in: Alberbury, Shropshire, England Source: FHL Film 993074 Dates: 1740 - 1772 Have you tried the surname BLOWER? I found the following on the BVRI disks - nothing to do with your search naturally, but interesting all the same. Cheers Graham Melbourne Oz REMEMBER - The question you are asking may have already been answered. Threaded Archives at - http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/Archives Searchable Archives at - http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you to Reganne at AOL dot com, who sent me something privately. I have tried to email a reply which has bounced, so I am hoping it can get through this way. You asked if the Lucy JARVIS, aged 36, in Whitchurch Workhouse in 1901 census is mine. I do not think so. I think that the one you sent is the daughter of George and Sarah A of Whitchurch. However, I can't identify the Emma JARVIS (aged 68) who is with her at the workhouse and so was wondering if there are any Whitchurch Workhouse records which might further clarify who these two JARVIS women were? Thank you again, Reganne, for your kind reply, which I appreciate very much. Sherry Landa (23170, Viersat, FRANCE)

Have you tried the surname BLOWER? I found the following on the BVRI disks - nothing to do with your search naturally, but interesting all the same. Cheers Graham Melbourne Oz

Still looking for birth/bapt. of Ellen HEATH born Shrewsbury, Shropshire according to census returns, who died in Doncaster in 1916 age on death certificate given as 66years. The ages on census return are varying so unable to pin point the correct year of birth. Have abstracted the Ellen HEATH births on National Index from 1847-1860 hoping to eliminate. Can I eliminate Ellesmere 6a 193? also what about Bromsgrove 6c 387?Help! Maureen.

Hi, After quite a long break on this line I am returning to Salop. My message belong is a bit long, I apologise. Following the beta test of the 1911 census I have managed to finally get two families "separated" and dismiss one from my research. However, I have, of course, found new queries I need help with. In 1911 the widow Jane (nee BARNET) JARVIS stated she had given birth to 7 children, 5 living, 2 deceased. She had lived from 1841-1901 in Watling Street, Wellington. In 1911 she was in Chernington Ct., Wellington. The number of children living is where I am struggling: I have 7 children as she stated but I thought only 4 were still alive: Lucy born 1863 died 1866 from accidental scolding; William born 1864 who is with his mother in 1911; Emma born 1866; John Henry born 1868; Lucy (my husband's ancestor) supposedly died before 1905 in Ironbridge -this came from her daughter who was my husband's great-grandmother; Rose born 1871 and Esther born 1874 assumed to have died before 1881 as she is not with the family on the 1881 or 1891 censuses. In fact there is a birth and death registration for an Esther in Dec 1874 which fits. So, it would appear that Lucy is the one who may not have been dead....but how on earth do I go about finding her? I have tried searching the 1891 and 1901 censuses for her and/or her daughter Rosalia (born illegitimately in Wellington in Nov 1885). I have also tried FreeBMD for marriages or deaths but can't find anyone who is likely to be her. For my second query I need to go backwards. Jane (above) was born variously as follows Salop (1841 census); Tonge (1851, 1871 and 1911 census); Newport (1861 & 1881 census); Wellington (1891 census). I THINK she was the Jane d/o Joseph & Mary who was baptised in Tonge on 15 Mar 1833. Her parents were definitely a Joseph & Mary according to 1851 census, her marriage certificate and who she is with in 1841 census. Her parents and siblings, however, are causing me some difficulty, and it's here that we need to make sure we do not confuse this family with that of the other Joseph & Mary BARNETT who were in Ketley throughout! Firstly, in 1841 there is a 7-year old Elizabeth who is not there in 1851 but seems to have been replaced by a 20 year old Esther who was born in Stanton. I need to establish is this is one and the same person. Brother Joseph was bapt 1835 in Newport; sister Emma 4, appears in 1841 and then is not there in 1851 and Sarah born 1843 Watling St., appears in 1851 but not in 1861. Given that they seem to have moved from Stanton to Tonge to Newport to Wellington (Joseph having been born abt 1805 in Heath Hill or Newport and Mary having been born about 1810 Pave Lane or Newport) I am wondering if they are Joseph BARNETT and Mary CLEVERLEY who married 11 05 1828, Newport. Despite Googling I am unable to get to grips with the exact geography to know how reasonable this all is. I was wondering if anyone could throw any light onto this family, either from the geographical angle or possibly from church records or even personal knowledge of these families. I appreciate it is a pretty mixed bag and non-specific query. I have been researching for over a decade now, so I know that quite a lot of the information I seem to be relying on is only as accurate as the people giving it and open to mistranscriptions etc. Any help would be appreciated. best wishes, Sherry Landa (23170, Viersat, FRANCE)

Still looking for birth/bapt. of Ellen HEATH born Shrewsbury, Shropshire who died in Doncaster aged 66years in 1916. I have found her on three census returns which all give varying ages. I have abstracted all Ellen HEATH births from the National Index from 1847-1860 and hope to find her by elimination.Can I eliminate Ellesmere,Shropshire from place of birth? Also Bromsgrove 6c 387.Any advice welcomed. Maureen.

Hello If you can find out from the earlier censuses who her parents were the GRO might be able to pick the right one out DrGeneal

Hi Margot, They are not related but I have the marriage (paper copy) of Margaret and Henry. Their son Moses came to Melbourne with his wife and the two children. They are supposed to have picked up survivors from the Titanic. I have bits (certificates etc.) on them and I am sure someone sent me an electronic copy of a photo he had their son Gerald just cause I had information on them. Contact me off list if you want any of it. I didn't bother about trying to find any of the marriages back on the Bloor line. Irene (Melbourne, Aus). At 16:51 29/12/2008, marsco wrote: > > > >Hi all, > >I am trying to find a marriage for Sam(p)son BLOOR (BLEWER) to Sarah PALMER. > Sampson was born about 1805, Lilleshall and Sarah about 1804, Donnington >(both from Census) > >Their first child was chr 1828, Wrockwardine Wood, with the following being >born at Shiffnal, Woodhouse, Wrockwardine Wood > snip

Irene, Origami nodels of them? <lol> Phil At 0Orpington, Ken,UK ene M. Fullarton wrote: >They are not related but I have the marriage (paper copy) of Margaret >and Henry Phil Warn ô¿ô Genealogists do it backwards Family Historians take all steps "The Warn family in Tetbury from 1722" <http://homepage.ntlworld.com/philwarn/FamHist1/index.htm>

Hello, I am looking for anyone who has either of the two gentlemen below in their research   WEBB, Oliver born December 1906, died October 1991 age 84 in North Shropshire   WEBB, Thomas Stanley born November 1908 died December 2000 age 92 in North Shropshire.   Oliver and Thomas Stanley WEBB were two children of Selina WEBB, nee Bagnall, of Hinstock, Shropshire.  I have been unable to find a marriage for Selina Bagnall to a Webb.   The other children were Almeric Bert Webb born 1906,  Violet Webb born 1911 and Sylvia Webb born 1913.   All the children except Oliver, were born in Little Drayton.   Oliver was born in Lambeth, London.   in 1901 Selina Bagnall was a servant in St Pancras, London, age 19.   in 1911 Selina Webb, age 29, and children Almeric Bert 5, Oliver 4, Thomas Stanley 2 and Violet 6 weeks, were living at 73 Shrewsbury Road, Market Drayton with Selina's brother Thomas Bagnall, his wife Mary and his and Selina's mother Hannah Bagnall.   I have a lot of Bagnall family history to share.   Thanks,  Cynthia

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: pamloganpowney Surnames: morris Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sal.general/6581.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Leslie Thankyou for replying. l didn't have any other information only that William's father may be Richard born c1750 married to Sarah Evans c1755 l had previously been given the maiden name of Margaret but somehow seem to have mislaid it My husband is also descended from Thomas, also his son Thomas,then his son Thomas, his son Harold Henry whose eldest daughter Lilian May was my husband's mother Along the way the ancestors moved to Garston. Liverpool where some still live. lf l can help you in any way l would be willing to do so. Kind regards and a happy new year Pam l do have a lot of the family on my tree on genesreunited Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Thanks for the jokes Joyce, Happy new year to you too. Nice and sunny here. In regard to the Madeley Palmers, the following events may be relevant: 13 Oct 1736 John Palmer married Mary Dankes at Madeley. 18 Mar 1743 Mary Palmer chr. at Madeley, dau. of John and Mary. 18 Mar 1746 Thomas Danks Palmer chr. at Madeley. 22 July 1755 Thos. Dankes Palmer chr. at Madeley.

Hi Irene - Happy New Year - would you mind confirming if in your message to Margot and your reference to Palmer for Margaret and Henry and son Moses. Although I'm looking for a connection to a Mary Palmer and John Glazebrook, I have a friend who has a few other Palmer names that might be connected, so any names you can add, I will check and see if there are any visible connections. Joyce ------------------------------from Irene to Margot Subject: Re: [ENG-SHROP] Fw: PALMER AND BLOOR (BLEWER) FAMILIES They are not related but I have the marriage (paper copy) of Margaret and Henry. Their son Moses came to Melbourne with his wife and the two children. They are supposed to have picked up survivors from the Titanic. I have bits (certificates etc.) on them and I am sure someone sent me an electronic copy of a photo he had their son Gerald just cause I had information on them. Contact me off list if you want any of it. I didn't bother about trying to find any of the marriages back on the Bloor line. Irene (Melbourne, Aus). At 16:51 29/12/2008, marsco wrote:> >Hi all,>I am trying to find a marriage for Sam(p)son BLOOR (BLEWER) to Sarah PALMER. > Sampson was born about 1805, Lilleshall and Sarah about 1804, Donnington >(both from Census) > >Their first child was chr 1828, Wrockwardine Wood, with the following being >born at Shiffnal, Woodhouse, Wrockwardine Wood> snip Margot

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: bristolloggerheads Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sal.general/6488.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: There is a tale of John Nonely of Nonely recalled in "The History of Myddle". This dates to the "heate of the wars" i.e. the English Civil War. Peter Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.