This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: antonyjordan Surnames: Jordan Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sal.general/6622/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have recently discovered that many of my Jordan ancestors were Freemen of Bridgnorth. All were weavers in the carpet industry and lived in either Kidderminster or Bridgnorth. Does anyone know if records exist of these Freeman awards and, if so, what details they contain? Thanks, Tony Jordan Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

What I find annoying is that there are so many areas not ready yet, they should have left it until indexing complete. So much wasted time with half the country missing when you have ancestors who travelled around. Nuala ----- Original Message ----- From: "C Cannon" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-SHROP] 1911 and all that >I too found it better use a search with the minimum of information and then > add one thing and then remove it and try something different. Quite time > consuming. Even worse than weird spellings of place names, is the way some > of the Christian names are transcribed. > > chrissie

I too found it better use a search with the minimum of information and then add one thing and then remove it and try something different. Quite time consuming. Even worse than weird spellings of place names, is the way some of the Christian names are transcribed. chrissie ----- Original Message ----- From: "KEITH ROBERTS" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 10:21 PM Subject: [ENG-SHROP] 1911 and all that > Following a bout of searching the 1911 census for a few prime ancestors I > have reached a conclusion. > 1. It`s darned expensive to search @ 60 credits for .12p each or 280 > credits for .09p each, and at a cost of 10 credits to view a transcript of > the entry the absolute minimum one has to pay is 90p a go and if one > wishes to see the actual page (which is much nicer anyway) then it will > cost 30 credits @ .09 p = £2.70 and thats a lot of money for just one > search. > > 2. Wherever did they recruit the transcribers? Some interpretations of > place names in particular are unbelievable which doesn`t help the search > process. I give you an example: > A Mr William Roberts who I knew to have been born in Llanyblodwel, SAL in > 1848, had moved to Hampstead, London, and who`s occupation I knew to be a > draper was luckily > for me hiding behind a place name of `Stalingblodwell` and he was a > Retired Silk Mediat (try merchant!) His wife was from Hushington (try > Huntingdon) and wait for it - one of his servants was from `Slaughton > Mercought` (Try Llanbedr, Meirioneth!). I have to say that the handwriting > of the enumerator left a little to be desired but - hey, I could read it > quite plainly. > Only for the Blodwell tacked onto the end of the Staling I would never > ever have found that entry for my Grandads brother from the transcript > search. > > 3. As is very often the case too much knowledge is a dangerous thing and > the best way of initiating a search is just to input the absolute minimum > ie; Name and year of birth which will hopefully bring up a list of > possibles to view. Transcript gives name, relationship, marital status, > sex, age, occupation and most important of all - where born. > > 4. The experienced census searcher will find it easy but I`m afraid the > newcomer to searching will find it very very frustrating. > > PS. Whatever happened to the whole of Wales? > > KeithR > > > > REMEMBER - The question you are asking may have already been answered. > Threaded Archives at - > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/Archives > > Searchable Archives at - > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Following a bout of searching the 1911 census for a few prime ancestors I have reached a conclusion. 1. It`s darned expensive to search @ 60 credits for .12p each or 280 credits for .09p each, and at a cost of 10 credits to view a transcript of the entry the absolute minimum one has to pay is 90p a go and if one wishes to see the actual page (which is much nicer anyway) then it will cost 30 credits @ .09 p = £2.70 and thats a lot of money for just one search. 2. Wherever did they recruit the transcribers? Some interpretations of place names in particular are unbelievable which doesn`t help the search process. I give you an example: A Mr William Roberts who I knew to have been born in Llanyblodwel, SAL in 1848, had moved to Hampstead, London, and who`s occupation I knew to be a draper was luckily for me hiding behind a place name of `Stalingblodwell` and he was a Retired Silk Mediat (try merchant!) His wife was from Hushington (try Huntingdon) and wait for it - one of his servants was from `Slaughton Mercought` (Try Llanbedr, Meirioneth!). I have to say that the handwriting of the enumerator left a little to be desired but - hey, I could read it quite plainly. Only for the Blodwell tacked onto the end of the Staling I would never ever have found that entry for my Grandads brother from the transcript search. 3. As is very often the case too much knowledge is a dangerous thing and the best way of initiating a search is just to input the absolute minimum ie; Name and year of birth which will hopefully bring up a list of possibles to view. Transcript gives name, relationship, marital status, sex, age, occupation and most important of all - where born. 4. The experienced census searcher will find it easy but I`m afraid the newcomer to searching will find it very very frustrating. PS. Whatever happened to the whole of Wales? KeithR

Hello Everyone For those who haven't noticed, the 1911 Census web site at http://www.1911census.co.uk/ is now up and running with several counties including Shropshire. If you have an existing short cut to this site be careful that it is still current - I had one which was out of date and kept throwing up an error message. You can find more information about the 1911 census on their Blog site at http://blog.1911census.co.uk/ It may also be worth having a look at the Federation of Family History Societies (FFHS) web site at http://www.ffhs.org.uk/archives/census1911.php where there may be some subtle extra pieces of information. Mike Shropshire, UK __________________________________________

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: tecwynsavage Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sal.general/6618.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: As you've gone back to the 18th century, I assume that you've checked the IGI. If not, you will find that batch P008891 shows a large number of Astleys christened at Wem between 1583 and 1812, including one William in 1805 whose father was also William. William senior might be the one you are seeking. A very useful, but not universally known, link to the IGI is http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: michaeldavies45 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sal.general/6621.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: According to Free BMD, Pryce married Margaret Jones in Shrewsbury in 1859. In 1871 she is called Margaret B Jones so I am assuming that the B stands for Brisco. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hi Firebird thanks for taking the trouble to look at my problem maybe I wasn't clear enough I should have said I have Mary Jane at home aged 8 with her parents John Shaw Astbury and Elizabeth at Pelsall in 1861, she is still there in 1871 aged 18 years then she disappears. The fathers name is John Shaw Astbury so Shaw must be a middle name - he signs his name J.S.Astbury or J. Astbury. My cousin did phone the Madeley records office but was told that they do not offer the reference check service and we would need to buy the certificate. Have checked the only other marriages that I could find they are 1881, making her c 28 years which is possible they were to either Joseph Kingston or William Webster. However after checking the 1881 and 1891 for Mary, Mary J, or Mary Jane am still not throwing her up as being born in Pelsall. Hope you don't mind me sounding you out on this, here's hoping you may have another idea I can look at Thanks very much once again Regards Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Firebird" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 6:54 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-SHROP] ASTBURY - EVANS > MALCOLM STANAWAY wrote: >> Hi I am new to this list and looking for help, I have Mary Jane >> ASTBURY bn 1853 Pelsall Staffs marrying SAMUEL EVANS in 1873 at >> MADELEY Shropshire. I have looked for Samuel on 181881 census he is >> with wife who states she was born in Madeley I have checked the >> BMDs and can find no other marriage >> >> There are 10 births for Mary Jane Astbury between 1840 and 1870 >> there is only the one at Pelsall that fits with age and I can find >> no Deaths of either Samuel or Mary Jane prior to 1901. I know I can >> send for the certificate to check her father but would prefer to be >> sure before I buy. Her father was JOHN ( SHAW ) ASTBURY Does anyone >> have access to this information who would be willing to check for >> me please > > If you are looking for a Mary Jane ASTBURY b abt 1853, then you set > your parameters too wide with 1840 to 1870. You can narrow it down to > 1851 to 1854. That would be enough to catch your lady, unless you > have reason to believe she added/substracted a substantial number of > years to her age at various times. > > Likewise with the deaths: I always take a death search up to when the > person would be 100. Some of our ancestors lived surprisingly long > lives. If Mary Jane was born in 1853, she'd only have been 48 by > 1901. She could easily have lived to the 1930s. However, with a name > like EVANS, it does make it considerably harder. > > As far as getting the right certificate goes: you can ask for a > reference check to be done. If the check point given matches with the > certificate, then it will be issued. If not, you'll get a partial > refund, so all is not totally lost. > > How certain are you of the father's name? You have SHAW in brackets. > Was that an alternative given name? A middle name? An alternative > surname? > > Have you checked the 1861 census for your lady? It would be a cheaper > and easier option. > > > REMEMBER - The question you are asking may have already been answered. > Threaded Archives at - > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/Archives > > Searchable Archives at - > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

MALCOLM STANAWAY wrote: > Hi I am new to this list and looking for help, I have Mary Jane > ASTBURY bn 1853 Pelsall Staffs marrying SAMUEL EVANS in 1873 at > MADELEY Shropshire. I have looked for Samuel on 181881 census he is > with wife who states she was born in Madeley I have checked the > BMDs and can find no other marriage > > There are 10 births for Mary Jane Astbury between 1840 and 1870 > there is only the one at Pelsall that fits with age and I can find > no Deaths of either Samuel or Mary Jane prior to 1901. I know I can > send for the certificate to check her father but would prefer to be > sure before I buy. Her father was JOHN ( SHAW ) ASTBURY Does anyone > have access to this information who would be willing to check for > me please If you are looking for a Mary Jane ASTBURY b abt 1853, then you set your parameters too wide with 1840 to 1870. You can narrow it down to 1851 to 1854. That would be enough to catch your lady, unless you have reason to believe she added/substracted a substantial number of years to her age at various times. Likewise with the deaths: I always take a death search up to when the person would be 100. Some of our ancestors lived surprisingly long lives. If Mary Jane was born in 1853, she'd only have been 48 by 1901. She could easily have lived to the 1930s. However, with a name like EVANS, it does make it considerably harder. As far as getting the right certificate goes: you can ask for a reference check to be done. If the check point given matches with the certificate, then it will be issued. If not, you'll get a partial refund, so all is not totally lost. How certain are you of the father's name? You have SHAW in brackets. Was that an alternative given name? A middle name? An alternative surname? Have you checked the 1861 census for your lady? It would be a cheaper and easier option.

I too have an Evans needing to find a birth certificate. On his marriage certificate he was listed as being 22 in 1891  which means he was born in 1869, but he was 30 per his son which would make his born in 1861, making him 40 in 1901 but he was down as 35 on that census. He gave his place of birth as Welshampton and his father as Charles. There are several births of a Richard Evans with father Charles. I did order one birth certificate for 1865 at Ellesmere but his father was not Charles so I got a partial refund. I found a baptism record for a Richard born in Welshampton but no birth certificate. There is also a Richard's birth showing in WEM and wonder if anyone would have any records that would show any details of that childs birth? All the census reports that I've found show each Richard Evans away from home and working and living with other families. The Welshampton Richards parents had all their children registered except for their son Richard but thats why I think perhaps the one registered in WEM could also be theirs but would like to have more information to go on. This WEM link is my last resort. Joyce

Hi Sue yes please I would be grateful if you could check the marriage for me it is June qtr 1873 and her father needs to be either John or John Shaw Astbury thanks very much for your help regards Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "igca igca" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 9:45 AM Subject: [ENG-SHROP] ASTBURY - EVANS > > Hi Wendy > > I am going to the Shropshire archives next week so can check the Madeley > parish marriage register for the father's details if you would like me to. > Do you have a date (qtr) in 1873? > > In the meantime I have extracted Astbury details from our BMD database for > the nearby parishes of Coalbrookdale, Ironbridge & Buildwas in case there > is anything that will help (sent off list). > > Sue (IGca) > > www.igca.co.uk > _________________________________________________________________ > Choose the perfect PC or mobile phone for you > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/130777504/direct/01/ > > REMEMBER - The question you are asking may have already been answered. > Threaded Archives at - > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/Archives > > Searchable Archives at - > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Sherry Can you tell me what SBI offers over and above NBI? Are there different entries/better coverage? Is there additional info about each entry? For details about SBI v4, I found this site ... http://www.sfhs.org.uk/shropshireburials.asp Hopefully, as you have the v2 info in front of you, you can see what the changes/improvements are. Heather Sherry Landa and Russell Johnson wrote: > I have SBI v2 which is a previous version and I find that it's worth having > that and the NBI (I have version 1 of that). What I'd like to know is > EXACTLY what is the difference between version 2 and version 4 of the SBI. I > also have the Quarter Sessions CD and have found the disks from SFHS > excellent. > > I have some fiche as well, which are a little disappointing in quality > (think it's the originals which are poor) and am interested to know if the > fiche data will ever be put onto CD the way, for example, OFHS have done. > > Sherry Landa (23170, Viersat, FRANCE) > > I'm considering buying the SFHS Burial Records Index CD Rom. However, I > already the National Burials Index and wondered how much they overlap > each other. I'm hoping that one of you will already have a copy of each > and can advise :-) > >

Hello Heather The Shropshire Burials Index is part of the National Burials Index for England and Wales and as such all entries are eventually passed on to the National Index but in the Second Edition of the National Index Shropshire has about 168,000 entries, whereas Version 4 of the Shropshire Index which has only been released in the last few weeks has about 400,000 entries. See http://www.sfhs.org.uk/ for information about Version 4. Don't forget there is also an index of Surnames which appear in transcripts of Shropshire MIs - see the web site above then click Resources. Mike Shropshire, UK ______________________________________________________ The Quineys wrote: > Hi list > > I'm considering buying the SFHS Burial Records Index CD Rom. However, I > already the National Burials Index and wondered how much they overlap > each other. I'm hoping that one of you will already have a copy of each > and can advise :-) > > Thanks > Heather > > >

I have SBI v2 which is a previous version and I find that it's worth having that and the NBI (I have version 1 of that). What I'd like to know is EXACTLY what is the difference between version 2 and version 4 of the SBI. I also have the Quarter Sessions CD and have found the disks from SFHS excellent. I have some fiche as well, which are a little disappointing in quality (think it's the originals which are poor) and am interested to know if the fiche data will ever be put onto CD the way, for example, OFHS have done. Sherry Landa (23170, Viersat, FRANCE) I'm considering buying the SFHS Burial Records Index CD Rom. However, I already the National Burials Index and wondered how much they overlap each other. I'm hoping that one of you will already have a copy of each and can advise :-)

Hi Wendy I am going to the Shropshire archives next week so can check the Madeley parish marriage register for the father's details if you would like me to. Do you have a date (qtr) in 1873? In the meantime I have extracted Astbury details from our BMD database for the nearby parishes of Coalbrookdale, Ironbridge & Buildwas in case there is anything that will help (sent off list). Sue (IGca) www.igca.co.uk _________________________________________________________________ Choose the perfect PC or mobile phone for you http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/130777504/direct/01/

Hi list I'm considering buying the SFHS Burial Records Index CD Rom. However, I already the National Burials Index and wondered how much they overlap each other. I'm hoping that one of you will already have a copy of each and can advise :-) Thanks Heather

Hi I am new to this list and looking for help, I have Mary Jane ASTBURY bn 1853 Pelsall Staffs marrying SAMUEL EVANS in 1873 at MADELEY Shropshire. I have looked for Samuel on 181881 census he is with wife who states she was born in Madeley I have checked the BMDs and can find no other marriage There are 10 births for Mary Jane Astbury between 1840 and 1870 there is only the one at Pelsall that fits with age and I can find no Deaths of either Samuel or Mary Jane prior to 1901. I know I can send for the certificate to check her father but would prefer to be sure before I buy. Her father was JOHN ( SHAW ) ASTBURY Does anyone have access to this information who would be willing to check for me please Thanks very much Wendy

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: millsbros Surnames: Jones/Brisco Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sal.general/6621/mb.ashx Message Board Post: My great-grandfather was Pryce Jones (possible parents - Jeremiah & Sarah Jones) and, as far as I can determine, he was born 1835 in Montgomeryshire, Wales, but lived in Shropshire (Shrewsbury, St Mary). He was married twice - Margaret Brisco (@1842) from Shropshire and Sarah Jones born Oct 1850 in Wellington, Shropshire (parents-John Jones & Mary Dabbs). Margaret has five children according to a Family Bible that I have: Henry Price (1860); William James (1862); Alfred James (1863); Ann Asterly (1865-1868) and Anna Maria (1870). Sarah had four children: John Henry (1879 - my grandfather); George (1881); Alfred (1890) and Adeline May (1892). I'm looking for any and all information concerning those that remained in England/Wales, as well as those emigrating to Canada. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: MichaelJHulme Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sal.general/6620.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello Marjorie I have posted this reply in response to your message elsewhere but have repeated it here as it might help someone else. If you don't find your brother through this message you should contact your local office of the Salvation Army - see your local telephone book. This applies whether you live in the UK or any where else in the world. There is a small charge for their service but they are VERY GOOD at this. Mike _____________________ Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hello Everyone For those of you who have access to Ancestry UK either from home or your local library / archives you may be interested to know that they now have some U.K. Directories, including two for Shropshire, one dated 1863 and the other 1913. At the moment you will find them in New records on Ancestry or under the Directories & Member Lists group. You can use the search facility to look for a named person. If you want a particular parish then they are in alphabetical order. My thanks to someone on another list for drawing attention to these directories. Mike Shropshire, UK ______________________________________________________