Hi Keith, The only way you will find out the fathers name is if either you give Rachel s fathers name (Richard ) and say you don't want the certificate unless it is. If you are paying with an English cheque they will return it to you if it isn't Richard. OR. You buy the certificate. Another way around this is to check Ecclesfield Parish Church parish registers and see if you can spot a baptism. Ecclesfield has been filmed and indexed and you will be able to get them in Leeds at the LDS there. Hope this helps. Elaine in Ottawa. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.4 - Release Date: 6/6/2005