Hi Martin, > Out of interest, do you know what the relationship is between the two > Jonathan's? It's an interesting story (to me anyway). I've now figured out that the Jonathan born in 1822 was the 28th child of 29 children born to Jonathan Beardshaw landlord of The Ball Inn in Hawley Croft. There were 29 children (only one wife!) but only the 1st and 28th lived. George Beardshaw who was the 1st child that lived had 7 children and the last one born in 1827 was also named Jonathan. I don't suppose they gave a thought about the confusion this would cause in later years. So I guess that makes them Uncle and Nephew with only 4/5 years between them. I descend from George's 1st son Vickers George Beardshaw and I'm still trying to work out where they got the name Vickers from! > By the way, after looking at the map I double checked the Glossop Road bit > because the position on the map doesn't tie up whereas the directory entry > does tie up by saying Northumberland Rd. However it definitely says > "Mushroom Bank, Glossop Road" on the first census entry - maybe its just > an > error. Yes, the above all makes sense but the Glossop road bit is a mystery. Its amazing how families appear to be all mixed up. I wonder if you could look up another sheet on the 1861 census. I have the index which shows the following (again it could be one or two addresses): BEARDSHAW Charles C 29 1832 YKS Sheffield 3500 45F BEARDSHAW Maria V B 23 1838 IRL --- 3500 45F BEARDSHAW Albert 21 1840 YKS Sheffield 3500 45F BEARDSHAW Charles J P B 8 1853 YKS Sheffield 3500 45F BEARDSHAW Reginald M W M 1m YKS Attercliffe 3500 45F Again the households, relationships and occupations would be useful. Sorting this out may mean that I gain a new (distant)cousin. Thanks Tony > -----Original Message----- > From: Martin Cross [mailto:martincross948@hotmail.com] > Sent: 12 March 2005 19:31 > To: Beardshaw@tesco.net > Subject: Re: [SHEFF] 1861 Census lookup > > It was a pleasure. > > Out of interest, do you know what the relationship is between the two > Jonathan's? > > By the way, after looking at the map I double checked the Glossop Road bit > because the position on the map doesn't tie up whereas the directory entry > does tie up by saying Northumberland Rd. However it definitely says > "Mushroom Bank, Glossop Road" on the first census entry - maybe its just > an > error. > > Regards, > > Martin > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tony Beardshaw" <Beardshaw@tesco.net> > To: <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 12:05 PM > Subject: RE: [SHEFF] 1861 Census lookup > > > > Martin > > > >> I also found it marked on the attached map from 1855. I downloaded > > this > >> from > >> www.old-maps.co.uk a while back when I was looking for a house at > >> Commonside - you could go on the site and get a version centred on > >> Mushroom > >> Bank to get your bearings a bit better. Mushroom Bank is marked just > > below > >> Godfrey Dam on the junction of Dam Lane and Northumberland Road - not > > sure > >> what it actually is though > > > > A big thank you. You have solved several other mysteries about locations > > of other relatives living in the same location. I don't think I would > > have found this without your help. > > > > Regards > > > > Tony Beardshaw > > Rotherham > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Martin Cross [mailto:martincross948@hotmail.com] > >> Sent: 12 March 2005 11:05 > >> To: Beardshaw@tesco.net > >> Subject: Re: [SHEFF] 1861 Census lookup > >> > >> Hi Tony, > >> Sorry, there weren't any house numbers. > >> > >> I assumed it was somewhere near Mushroom Lane. I did a google search > > for > >> Mushroom Bank to try and find references to it and found the following > >> which > >> you may find useful. Its part of the 1857 Directory. > >> > >> At URL : http://www.n.f.wilson.btinternet.co.uk/809-817.htm > >> Beardshaw Jonth., jun., file and steel mfr.; h Mushroom bank, > >> Northumberland rd > >> > >> I also found it marked on the attached map from 1855. I downloaded > > this > >> from > >> www.old-maps.co.uk a while back when I was looking for a house at > >> Commonside - you could go on the site and get a version centred on > >> Mushroom > >> Bank to get your bearings a bit better. Mushroom Bank is marked just > > below > >> Godfrey Dam on the junction of Dam Lane and Northumberland Road - not > > sure > >> what it actually is though. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Martin > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Tony Beardshaw" <Beardshaw@tesco.net> > >> To: "'Martin Cross'" <martincross948@hotmail.com> > >> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 7:38 AM > >> Subject: RE: [SHEFF] 1861 Census lookup > >> > >> > >> > Martin > >> > > >> >> Address : Mushroom Bk, Glossop Road > >> > > >> > Thank you for the detailed reply. It will be very useful. Were there > > any > >> > house numbers for Mushroom Bank (Glossop road)? I think I need to > > buy > >> > another Godfrey map to locate it. > >> > > >> > Regards > >> > > >> > Tony Beardshaw > >> > > >> > > >> >> -----Original Message----- > >> >> From: Martin Cross [mailto:martincross948@hotmail.com] > >> >> Sent: 11 March 2005 19:48 > >> >> To: Beardshaw@tesco.net; ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com > >> >> Subject: Re: [SHEFF] 1861 Census lookup > >> >> > >> >> Hi Tony, > >> >> They don't live in the same house, although the two households are > >> > next to > >> >> each other on the census. > >> >> > >> >> The details are as follows : > >> >> > >> >> Jonathan Beardshaw; Head; Married; 34; Steel Man. & Merchant - J? > >> >> Beardshaw > >> >> & Sons; born Sheffield > >> >> Frances " ; Wife; Married; 20; born C?????ton, Kent > >> >> Hermann? " ; Son; 1 month; born Sheffield > >> >> Mary Esther West; H servt; Unmarried; 21; born Eaton Notts > >> >> Ann Barthorpe; servant; Unmarried; 16; Sheffield > >> >> > >> >> Address : Mushroom Bank > >> >> Jonathan Beardshaw; Head; Married; 38; Merchant; born Sheffield > >> >> Elizabeth " ; Wife; Married; 36; born Rotherham > >> >> Alfred " ; Son; 7; born Sheffield > >> >> Francis " ; Son; 5; born Sheffield > >> >> Arthur " ; Son; 3; born Sheffield > >> >> Emily S????? ; Neise (assume niece); 5; born Rotherham > >> >> Annie Wood ; Sevt; unmarried; 19; born Sheffield > >> >> > >> >> Sorry I can't work out the surname of the niece. Its something like > >> >> Stippins? Maybe someone else can cast a 2nd pair of eyes over it > > and > >> > see > >> >> if > >> >> they can work it out! > >> >> > >> >> The fact they have similar jobs suggests a strong link. > >> >> > >> >> Regards, > >> >> > >> >> Martin Cross > >> >> Essex > >> >> > >> >> Researching ALLEN, CODD, CROSS, HINCHLIFFE, > >> >> JONES, MAPPIN, MARRIN, McCREELEY, RAWSON, WEBSTER > >> >> in the Sheffield/Derbyshire area. > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> From: "Tony Beardshaw" <Beardshaw@tesco.net> > >> >> To: <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> > >> >> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 7:21 AM > >> >> Subject: [SHEFF] 1861 Census lookup > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Dear List > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > I have a bit of a mystery with a family on the 1861 census. There > >> > are > >> >> > two people called Jonathan Beardshaw aged 34 and 38 on the same > >> > folio > >> >> > page 3469 15F and both appear to have wives and children. It > > would > >> > be > >> >> > easy to assume they are living in the same house but I guess I > >> > mustn't > >> >> > make this assumption. Has any one got access to the census images > > to > >> >> > confirm the situation? I would also like to know the street name > > and > >> >> > their occupations? > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > Regards > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > Tony Beardshaw > >> >> > > >> >> > <http://www.my-history.co.uk> > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > ==== ENG-SHEFFIELD Mailing List ==== > >> >> > Visit http://www.genuki.org.uk/ for initial information on all > >> >> > aspects of genealogy in the UK.........For the Sheffield pages > > visit > >> >> > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/WRY/Sheffield/index.html > >> >> > > >> >> > ============================== > >> >> > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family > > and > >> > the > >> >> > areas they lived. 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